Kevin Rudd for PM

[Garpal Gumnut]

Hi noco

It doesn't matter who runs the Labor Party/Libs-Nats because the Greens run the Senate for the next six years.

cheers
gumbylearner

I do not agree.

Tony Abbott as PM will force a double dissolution, something Rudd when PM did not have the bottle for.

Then it's bye bye bottom of the garden stuff for another 15 or 20 years. Real government will be seen again.

Rudd has no bottle and prefers to scheme. When it comes to a decision he wilts.

gg

 

[sails]

There will be another half senate election by 2013 (as I understand it) and if several alp AND greens are replaced with libs, I think it would change the balance of power.

Here is the reasoning - happy to be corrected if I've got the numbers wrong...


From this link from the ABC total senate is as follows:

Coalition = 34
ALP = 31
Greens = 9
Other = 2

So, it would only take a minimum of 5 alp or green senators to be replaced with coalition senators in 2013 and that would give the coalition a one seat majority in the senate by the time they take office in 2014.


More on the senate from AEC: http://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_vote/Voting_Senate.htm

But better still if there is a new election sooner and Abbott can pull off a DD...

 

[Julia]

Hi noco

It doesn't matter who runs the Labor Party/Libs-Nats because the Greens run the Senate for the next six years.

cheers
gumbylearner

GL, Noco has outlined Tony Abott's potential strategy. I agree with that.

Every which way you turn, Kevin11 is on TV, in the papers and on the internet. He has more appearances than his beloved Prime Minister who he says has his full support. Yeah to the back bench!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next week on Capital Hill will be very entertaining. There will be more fireworks than Guy Fawkes

It's becoming quite farcical. He's so absolutely unsubtle.
Sadly for the kid in Bali ,Rudd's grandstanding has probably made getting a quiet resolution much more difficult.

Julia Gillard made a huge mistake when she let Kev back into the fold and gave him a ministerial position.

 

[noco]

GL, Noco has outlined Tony Abott's potential strategy. I agree with that.


It's becoming quite farcical. He's so absolutely unsubtle.
Sadly for the kid in Bali ,Rudd's grandstanding has probably made getting a quiet resolution much more difficult.

Julia Gillard made a huge mistake when she let Kev back into the fold and gave him a ministerial position.

She probably gave him the Foreign Ministry to get him out of the country and out of her hair.

But I still believe Rudd needed 18 months to popularise himself with world leaders in his endeavour to gain a UN Seat and later General Secretary. He followed in Ban Ki-Moon's track and mirrored his every movement.

 

[noco]

After reading the link below regarding Rudd's postponement of his speech to the UN
from 6pm, to 8.30pm to 9pm, is it possible, all is not well with his heart operation?
The staff said, there health issues.

I made a comment early in September, Rudd may use ill health as an excuse to quit parliament so he Terise can retire in London. It may well happen if he misses out on the UN and a return to the leadership of the Labor Party. May be he does not need that excuse. He may have no option.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s-leadership-bid/story-e6frerdf-1226161596010

 

[Calliope]

Julia Gillard made a huge mistake when she let Kev back into the fold and gave him a ministerial position.

Yes, it's a bit like the Libyan rebels taking Gadaffi back into the fold and making him Defence Minister. But I suppose Gillard thought it was safer to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. Big mistake!

 

[Calliope]

From noco's link;

This anecdote brings into focus one of the most discussed questions among Labor politicians and observers in Canberra - can Rudd change his attitude and behaviour?

The old Rudd was obnoxious. The new Rudd would be fake, fake fake, and he is a lousy actor, and would fool no one.

 

[kavla1970]

I really wonder where this country is going when, on both sides of the house, all they seem to do is rehash old leaders. Nothing against Rudd but doesn't the Labor Party have anyone else?

 

[noco]

I really wonder where this country is going when, on both sides of the house, all they seem to do is rehash old leaders. Nothing against Rudd but doesn't the Labor Party have anyone else?

The Labor Party should get Bob Brown to defect. He would love to be Prime Minister.

Well, I guess you could say he is like a deputy Prime Minister now.

 

[noco]

Things will be hotting up in Canberra this week for sure.

I understood Windsor and Oakshot joined up with Labor for government stability.Now they are having second thoughts.

Even Labor back benches say Einstein would not be able to sort out Labor's mess.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...or-looming-fight/story-e6frgd0x-1226162504581

 

[joea]

Hi.
I think the issue on the carbon tax and "seekers" saga will be be the highlights this week.
How these are handled, will then set the scene for Government leadership.
joea

 

[drsmith]

Me thinks Julia Gillard's little chat with News's media executives has worn off.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...or-looming-fight/story-e6frgd0x-1226162504581

 

[joea]

Hi.
It is interesting that the media make reference to the phone call from the PM to the 14 year old detained in Bali.
It is interesting in the fact that Rudd had a fair bit of media exposure already on the 14 year old. Now Gillard is putting forward her 2 bobs worth.

Are these two now in a competition of media coverage, leading up to a challenge?

I think Gillard is making a fool of herself in attempting to overshadow other Labor MP's, when it appears she is just chasing media exposure.
Or am I just seeing things that are not realy there.?
joea

 

[drsmith]

Kevin Rudd ??

Has he convinced a backbencher or two to vote the other way on Julia Gillard's carbon tax (oops, that's Bob Brown's carbon tax) ?

??

?

 

[Julia]

Kevin Rudd ??

Has he convinced a backbencher or two to vote the other way on Julia Gillard's carbon tax (oops, that's Bob Brown's carbon tax) ?
?

What are you getting at here?
That Kev wants to persuade Labor backbenchers to vote against the carbon tax?

If he thinks he can make a comeback, I reckon it would have to be on a policy of delaying (translation: wiping) the carbon tax until or unless the rest of the world embarks on a global ETS or similar.

This would be reasonably credible on his part, as he had previously announced the deferral of the ETS on this basis.

Given the absolute unpopularity of the carbon tax, such a policy platform for Rudd would appear to give him a heads up with the electorate and make mincemeat out of Julia Gillards broken promise.

If this is his plan, he's going to have to move pretty smartly as apparently the carbon tax bills are up for this week.

 

[drsmith]

What are you getting at here?
That Kev wants to persuade Labor backbenchers to vote against the carbon tax?

If he thinks he can make a comeback, I reckon it would have to be on a policy of delaying (translation: wiping) the carbon tax until or unless the rest of the world embarks on a global ETS or similar.

This would be reasonably credible on his part, as he had previously announced the deferral of the ETS on this basis.

He wouldn't want to do the dirty work himself, would he ?

Given the absolute unpopularity of the carbon tax, such a policy platform for Rudd would appear to give him a heads up with the electorate and make mincemeat out of Julia Gillards broken promise.

If this is his plan, he's going to have to move pretty smartly as apparently the carbon tax bills are up for this week.

One's natural respone is not to stand still when knife is inserted in back, is it ?

 

[Julia]

drsmith, could you perhaps express your thoughts re Rudd's proposed strategy in somewhat less cryptic terms?

i.e. do you believe he wants to stop the carbon tax legislation going through, or are you saying he doesn't care whether it does or not, as long as he is not the author of it?

In other words, what are you suggesting Rudd's plan actually is as at the present time?

 

[drsmith]

I just hope someone bloody stops it.

drsmith, could you perhaps express your thoughts re Rudd's proposed strategy in somewhat less cryptic terms?

 

[joea]

The Australian Way

Judy Rudd an amateur genealogy researcher in South East Qld., was doing some research on her own family tree. She discovered that Kevin Rudd's great-great uncle, Remus Rudd was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Melbourne in 1889.
There is a picture with Remus standing on the gallows. On the back of the picture is an inscription as follows which she sent to Kevin.

"Remus Rudd horse thief, sent to Melbourne Goal 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Melbourne-Geelong train six times. Caught by Victoria Police Force, convicted and hanged in 1889".

Believe it or not, Kevin Rudd's staff sent back the following biographical sketch for her genealogy research:

" Remus Rudd was famous in Victoria during the mid to late 1800s. His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with Melbourne-Geelong Railroad.
Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad.
In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the Victoria Police Force. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honour when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed."

Now that's how it is done folks.
joea

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

My contacts in the Sourcebottle Factory tell me that the Foreign Minister is busy doing the numbers for an imminent tilt at Julia Gillard's position.

He doesn't have those numbers at present but the backbench are gobbling Pro-Zack at dangerous doses without effect. Their imminent demise at the hands of the electorate is encouraging them to consider the inevitable.

The return of Rudd.

gg