Resisting Climate Hysteria

[explod]

So keep trying to spin up some belief in people who have no understanding of science.



MW

So how about a bit of a rundown on why they have no understanding ?

 

[wayneL]

So how about a bit of a rundown on why they have no understanding ?

How about answering my earlier question.

 

[explod]

How about answering my earlier question.

Re: Resisting Climate Hysteria
Mr Plod, any evidence that the gulfstream is dissipating, or is this an ASSumption to fit events? Even the cretins at RealClimate haven't leapt this this delusion.

Elsewhere, The Gore effect strikes again:

Its just a theory that may have some credence. And if the probabilities are greater than the deniers need for absolute proof beyond any doubt do we not have a duty to take the steps (like the carbon tax) to prepare our community, science and industry towards solutions.

 

[Calliope]

...do we not have a duty to take the steps (like the carbon tax) to prepare our community, science and industry towards solutions.

No!

 

[explod]

No!

So you care for no one but yourself?

 

[Calliope]

So you care for no one but yourself?

No. It just means that I am not tied to Green's policies as you are. As I have often said, common sense will beat ideology every time.

 

[Knobby22]

No. It just means that I am not tied to Green's policies as you are. As I have often said, common sense will beat ideology every time.

“It is the obvious which is so difficult to see most of the time. People say 'It's as plain as the nose on your face.' But how much of the nose on your face can you see, unless someone holds a mirror up to you?”
― Isaac Asimov, I, Robot

 

[wayneL]

Its just a theory that may have some credence. And if the probabilities are greater than the deniers need for absolute proof beyond any doubt do we not have a duty to take the steps (like the carbon tax) to prepare our community, science and industry towards solutions.

There is no evidence that the gulf stream is having any influence in the cold winters Europe is experiencing.

None

Zippo

Nadda

Sweet FA

etc

 

[explod]

No. It just means that I am not tied to Green's policies as you are. As I have often said, common sense will beat ideology every time.

I do my own thinking, the Greens philosophy happens to be nearer to my ideals than any other.

Surely you are not tied to all of the draconian policies of the right.

 

[Knobby22]

There is no evidence that the gulf stream is having any influence in the cold winters Europe is experiencing.

None

Nadda

In fact there appears to be a counter factor that may mean the gulf stream won't stop.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110427131809.htm

 

[explod]

There is no evidence that the gulf stream is having any influence in the cold winters Europe is experiencing.

None

Zippo

Nadda

Sweet FA

etc

No need to get angry and swear like that either.

And there is no evidence that it is not changes to the gulf stream causing the problem either.

However the weather does seem to be a problem more often and in more places than living memory from my view.

So on the anecdotal we should at least be giving the whole argument attention and erring on the side of caution. A reduction in fossil fuel burning is not only a start, its getting scarce and expensive anyway so could be a lot of money to be made in supporting and investing in alternatives.

Due to the rising costs of power a number of people I know are moving to self sufficiency in home power. There is a lot of good literature about now on some of the great innovations and homes which are totally self sufficient in water, waste, heating and cooling.

 

[wayneL]

No need to get angry and swear like that either.

And there is no evidence that it is not changes to the gulf stream causing the problem either.

However the weather does seem to be a problem more often and in more places than living memory from my view.

So on the anecdotal we should at least be giving the whole argument attention and erring on the side of caution. A reduction in fossil fuel burning is not only a start, its getting scarce and expensive anyway so could be a lot of money to be made in supporting and investing in alternatives.

Due to the rising costs of power a number of people I know are moving to self sufficiency in home power. There is a lot of good literature about now on some of the great innovations and homes which are totally self sufficient in water, waste, heating and cooling.

Swear? Angry?

Where I grew up FA stands for Fanny Adams, so Sweet Fanny Adams.

Gotta watch those acronyms plod, don't leap to conclusions.

 

[explod]

Swear? Angry?

Where I grew up FA stands for Fanny Adams, so Sweet Fanny Adams.

Gotta watch those acronyms plod, don't leap to conclusions.

Off topic and unconvincing

 

[Calliope]

Off topic and unconvincing

The topic is " Resisting Climate Hysteria." Most of your posts stray off topic.

 

[explod]

The topic is " Resisting Climate Hysteria." Most of your posts stray off topic.

Well the climate bit seems to be okay and you are certainly resistant, to which I respond in kind, so the only thing left perhaps is the hysteria. And that seems to be coming from the deniers.

 

[drsmith]

And there is no evidence that it is not changes to the gulf stream causing the problem either.

The onus in science is proof of the theory, not proof of the opposite.

 

[Smurf1976]

Due to the rising costs of power a number of people I know are moving to self sufficiency in home power. There is a lot of good literature about now on some of the great innovations and homes which are totally self sufficient in water, waste, heating and cooling.

Just because someone has a standalone power system doesn't mean they are not emitting CO2. The emissions associated with these systems aren't exactly trivial once batteries are involved.

 

[sails]

Well the climate bit seems to be okay and you are certainly resistant, to which I respond in kind, so the only thing left perhaps is the hysteria. And that seems to be coming from the deniers.

Hmmm, "deniers" is not a nice thing to call other ASF members (or anyone for that matter) just because they don't agree with you.

It's actually very rude and on another forum, it is now a banned word. Maybe that should be so here too.

Your use of "denier" is far more offensive than anything Wayne put in his post.

 

[Julia]

Hmmm, "deniers" is not a nice thing to call other ASF members (or anyone for that matter) just because they don't agree with you.

It's actually very rude and on another forum, it is now a banned word. Maybe that should be so here too.

Your use of "denier" is far more offensive than anything Wayne put in his post.

Agree 100%. And, explod, there has already been a discussion about this which you will be absolutely aware of.

 

[Julia]

Here is the exchange between you and Wayne on the topic some months ago.

Plod

You will note that those who disagree with the big bang theory (electric universe theory etc) are not called big bang deniers.

Those who disagree with the prevailing theory of evolution are not called evolution deniers.

There are no Higgs Boson deniers; to my knowledge there are only two field where dissenters are referred to as deniers:

1/ The Jewish Holocaust

2/ Anthropogenic climate change


Do you wonder why AGW sceptics take exception to the term?

On overview many of our positions I now admit are not too distant on the issues at all.

The cost is a big matter and so is belief, it is a very emotional mix. I had not realised that the word "denier" was such a problem or the bad connotations it connects with for some people. However some people will put on a reaction to weaken another side of the argument too. To my mind words are merely that, it is the overall intent behind them that is important. In my past I have had to turn the other cheek to some frightfull descriptions but have always tried to see beyond that to the real cause. I am a bit slow on the uptake sometimes but we can only do our best and nor should we be deterred from putting all of our views and ideas forward.