Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Smurf1976]

It has been 13 degrees most of the day today. That's winter weather, literally, in the middle of Summer.

Now, this is of course just weather and nothing to get too excited about. But you can be pretty sure that if we were having a heatwave in July then the usual suspects would be more than happy to proclaim climate change as the cause.

 

[prawn_86]

It has been 13 degrees most of the day today. That's winter weather, literally, in the middle of Summer.

Yesterday was the first day this summer (60 days in) over 30c in Sydney. I only moved here 2 years ago, but i remember 5 - 10 years ago back in SA when you didnt get a day UNDER 30 all summer.

I'm with you Smurf, i think global weathering has kicked in...

 

[Logique]

It's just weather, except when it's hot in summer, then it's climate.

Scores dead as cold snap freezes Europe - February 1, 2012 - SMH
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/w...-cold-snap-freezes-europe-20120201-1qrx2.html
"Scores of people have died in a cold snap across Eastern Europe, authorities said on Tuesday, forcing some countries to call in the army to help secure food and medical supplies and set up emergency shelters for the homeless.

The temperature in Ukraine sank to minus 33C, the coldest in six years, while eastern Bosnia experienced lows of minus 31C and Poland, Romania and Bulgaria minus 30C.

Forecasters said the cold spell would last until Friday with further heavy snow expected across the region on Wednesday......January temperatures in Ukraine do not normally sink below minus 15C."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/w...ezes-europe-20120201-1qrx2.html#ixzz1l4sCtzk7

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Strange question OWG, seeing as the article itself doesn't claim that the signatories are climate scientists, traditional or otherwise. But out of curiosity I took a look. The short version is that 12 are unequivically not climate scientists, three might be under a generous definition, and just one definitely is.

Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris;
Academic field was geochemistry where his work is highly regarded. For the last 20 years he's been at least a part-time politican, reaching the level of Minister for Education. I haven't found a list of his academic publications, but his popular book on climate change is such a muddle of basic factual errors that the kindest excuse is that he was writing outside his field. Climate scientist? Nope.

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Would you be kind enough to do the same for the "4000 'scientists' running around in white coats measuring things" at the IPCC?

 

[orr]

Monthly December ice extent for 1979 to 2011 shows a decline of 3.5% per decade.

Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
High Resolution Image

December 2011 compared to past years
Arctic sea ice extent for December 2011 was the third lowest in the satellite record. The five lowest December extents in the satellite record have occurred in the past six years. Including the year 2011, the linear rate of decline ice December ice extent over the satellite record is -3.5% per decade.




Is this a localised weather event? or a Climatic trend?
Welcome your inputs.

 

[ghotib]

Would you be kind enough to do the same for the "4000 'scientists' running around in white coats measuring things" at the IPCC?

Maybe I will, if you would be kind enough to provide the names of some of the "4000 scientists .... at the IPCC" you'd like to know more about. I'm sure you don't expect me to do all your research for you.

 

[wayneL]

Monthly December ice extent for 1979 to 2011 shows a decline of 3.5% per decade.

Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
High Resolution Image

December 2011 compared to past years
Arctic sea ice extent for December 2011 was the third lowest in the satellite record. The five lowest December extents in the satellite record have occurred in the past six years. Including the year 2011, the linear rate of decline ice December ice extent over the satellite record is -3.5% per decade.




Is this a localised weather event? or a Climatic trend?
Welcome your inputs.

Get us a graph of the last 2000 years and we will have a better idea.

 

[orr]

Get us a graph of the last 2000 years and we will have a better idea.

SAP 1.2 DRAFT 3 PUBLIC COMMENT
1 CCSP Synthesis and Assessment Product 1.2 2 Past Climate Variability and Change in the Arctic and at High Latitudes 3 4 Chapter 8 ”” History of Sea Ice in the Arctic 5 6 Chapter Lead Author
7 Leonid Polyak, Byrd Polar Research Center, Ohio State University
8 Contributing Authors
9 John Andrews, University of Colorado
10 Julie Brigham-Grette, University of Massachusetts 11 12 Dennis Darby, Old Dominion University
13 Arthur Dyke, Geological Survey of Canada 14 Svend Funder, University of Copenhagen
15 Marika Holland, National Center for Atmospheric Research 16 17 Anne Jennings, University of Colorado
18 James Savelle, Geological Survey of Canada
19 Mark Serreze, University of Colorado 20 21 Eric Wolff, British Antarctic Survey
22
Chapter 8 Sea Ice 1
SAP 1.2 DRAFT 3 PUBLIC COMMENT

The volume of Arctic sea ice is rapidly declining, and to put that decline into perspective 25 we need to know the history of Arctic sea ice in the geologic past. Sedimentary proxy records 26 from the Arctic Ocean floor and from the surrounding coasts can provide clues. Although 27 incomlete, existing data outline the development of Arctic sea ice during the last several million 28 years. Some data indicate that sea ice consistently covered at least part of the Arctic Ocean for no 29 less than 13–14 million years, and that ice was most widespread during the last approximately 2 30 million years in relationship with Earth’s overall cooler climate. Nevertheless, episodes of
31 considerably reduced ice cover or even a seasonally ice-free Arctic Ocean probably punctuated 32 even this latter period. Ice diminished episodically during warmer climate events associated with 33 changes in Earth’s orbit on the time scale of tens of thousands of years. Ice cover in the Arctic 34 began to diminish in the late 19th century and has accelerated during the last several decades.

Full artical
http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap1-2/public-review-draft/sap1-2-prd-ch8.pdf

And so if 2000 years is the now prerequisite to comment, we'll hear no more piffle about whether it raining today or not.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

How do the warmists explain the bitterly cold conditions in Europe at present?

gg

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Monthly December ice extent for 1979 to 2011 shows a decline of 3.5% per decade.

Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
High Resolution Image

December 2011 compared to past years
Arctic sea ice extent for December 2011 was the third lowest in the satellite record. The five lowest December extents in the satellite record have occurred in the past six years. Including the year 2011, the linear rate of decline ice December ice extent over the satellite record is -3.5% per decade.




Is this a localised weather event? or a Climatic trend?
Welcome your inputs.

Yes, Yes - we all know that there are trends over the longer terms - some up, some down:

1. Perhaps you could put up a chart of the Antarctic - since your assertion is that Global Warming is in fact global - the antarctic ice extent should be declining as well?
2. And the observed evidence that man's 3% of CO2 contribution to total CO2 which is driving all the ice away is where exactly?

The summer here in Canberra has been sweltering to new extremes, I've considered putting the heating on to keep warm

 

[wayneL]

And so if 2000 years is the now prerequisite to comment, we'll hear no more piffle about whether it raining today or not.

Agreed.

Can you inform the alarmists of the same?

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Can any alarmists sufficiently answer the questions posed in this thread? Why is it that alarmists are quick with "spin" headlines but lack answers to the simplest of questions?

Is part of the reason this? (of course this has nothing to do with man's CO2 emissions since nobody has proven a correlation)

Is this the runaway warming preached by alarmists? Should we start to ask about penalizing those that have wasted the billions and recovering our hard earned labour?

 

[basilio]

Thanks Ozzie for bringing the discussion back to the evidence regarding climate change.

With regard to what is happening to our climate in the past 120 years the most complete reference is produced by the American National Climatic Data centre. It pulls together land and sea surface temperatures. You can check out how they obtain their data in the background FAQ
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/anomalies.php

If you go to the url you can see just how much the overall temperature has increased and the very large increases since 1979

Going back to the period you have picked. There are a couple of ways of looking at temperature changes. When seen as a big picture it is clear global temperatures have been rising very quickly in terms of climate changes.

If on the other hand you choose to look at small sections of the data you can find periods where temperatures are falling or not moving.

Check out



With regard to you questions on how the human produced CO2 affects climate and is identified as doing so I'll refer back to the same information we did at least 5 times previously.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Empirical-evidence-that-humans-are-causing-global-warming.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/10-Indicators-of-a-Human-Fingerprint-on-Climate-Change.html

 

[explod]

If on the other hand you choose to look at small sections of the data you can find periods where temperatures are falling or not moving.

And in the general discussions since the 70's scientists have continually pointed out that as the temperature increases the movement of air changes, there is more evaporation which in turn increases cloud cover, so yes, more rain in some places, large disparages in temperature and increasingly violent storms. Insurance companies are starting to get a bit fed up too.

On the cold in Europe. It has been feared for many years now that the loss of ice further north from the arc tic would cause the warm seawater (called the Gulf Stream) currents to dissipate as they now seem to be. If this continues we are going to see survival difficulties emerge in some very populated areas.

 

[wayneL]

Mr Plod, any evidence that the gulfstream is dissipating, or is this an ASSumption to fit events? Even the cretins at RealClimate haven't leapt this this delusion.

Elsewhere, The Gore effect strikes again:

Hansen, Trenberth and Gore went to the Antarctic Peninsula to highlight melting ice. The ice there is close to 200% of normal. Will they tell the truth, be silent, or flat out lie about it? http://www.real-science.com/antarctic-peninsula-sea-ice-double-normal

 

[basilio]

( Earlier reference to expansion of Antarctic sea ice)

That is a very, very, narrow perspective from a no name. no science blogger.

The larger picture on the world wide melting of ice has been establised by NASA satellites. Worth a look to see what is happening.

NASA Mission Takes Stock of Earth's Melting Land Ice

PASADENA, Calif. - In the first comprehensive satellite study of its kind, a University of Colorado at Boulder-led team used NASA data to calculate how much Earth's melting land ice is adding to global sea level rise.

Using satellite measurements from the NASA/German Aerospace Center Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE), the researchers measured ice loss in all of Earth's land ice between 2003 and 2010, with particular emphasis on glaciers and ice caps outside of Greenland and Antarctica.

The total global ice mass lost from Greenland, Antarctica and Earth's glaciers and ice caps during the study period was about 4.3 trillion tons (1,000 cubic miles), adding about 0.5 inches (12 millimeters) to global sea level. That's enough ice to cover the United States 1.5 feet (0.5 meters) deep.

"Earth is losing a huge amount of ice to the ocean annually, and these new results will help us answer important questions in terms of both sea rise and how the planet's cold regions are responding to global change," said University of Colorado Boulder physics professor John Wahr, who helped lead the study. "The strength of GRACE is it sees all the mass in the system, even though its resolution is not high enough to allow us to determine separate contributions from each individual glacier."

About a quarter of the average annual ice loss came from glaciers and ice caps outside of Greenland and Antarctica (roughly 148 billion tons, or 39 cubic miles). Ice loss from Greenland and Antarctica and their peripheral ice caps and glaciers averaged 385 billion tons (100 cubic miles) a year. Results of the study will be published online Feb. 8 in the journal Nature.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-036#4

 

[Calliope]

Chicken Little Vindicated

Chicken Licken was right, the sky really is falling. NASA satellite data has shown that the Earth’s cloud tops have been lowering over the last decade.

Cloud-top height fell 1 percent on average between March 2000 and February 2010, according to measurements from the multi-angle imaging spectroradiometer mounted on NASA’s Terra satellite. That 1 percent means a reduction of 30 to 40 meters in the average maximum height of clouds, during the 00s.

While the short record means it’s difficult to draw any strong conclusions from the data, it does hint towards a longer-term trend. Roger Davies, the lead researcher on the project, warns that it’s something that should be monitored in the coming decades to determine how significant it is for global temperatures.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/clouds-sky-falling/

 

[medicowallet]

Thanks Ozzie for bringing the discussion back to the evidence regarding climate change.

With regard to what is happening to our climate in the past 120 years the most complete reference is produced by the American National Climatic Data centre. It pulls together land and sea surface temperatures. You can check out how they obtain their data in the background FAQ
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/anomalies.php

If you go to the url you can see just how much the overall temperature has increased and the very large increases since 1979

Going back to the period you have picked. There are a couple of ways of looking at temperature changes. When seen as a big picture it is clear global temperatures have been rising very quickly in terms of climate changes.

If on the other hand you choose to look at small sections of the data you can find periods where temperatures are falling or not moving.

Check out
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With regard to you questions on how the human produced CO2 affects climate and is identified as doing so I'll refer back to the same information we did at least 5 times previously.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Empirical-evidence-that-humans-are-causing-global-warming.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/10-Indicators-of-a-Human-Fingerprint-on-Climate-Change.html

What fantastically pathetic graphs. Can they make ones which go back a few hundred years at the very least? Oh, no, that would not fit our short term argument, based on very short term warming.

Science has not shown that man is contributing to dangerous global warming (and that CO2 only makes a very minor impact is well known)

So keep trying to spin up some belief in people who have no understanding of science.

Well done on that front.

MW

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

It is pissing rain here at the moment.

I do not know what the temperature is and care less.

My smalls on the line are soaked.

This has happened before, you jokers on the Climate Hysteria Bandwagon need to proffer proof that we are in for a change.

gg

 

[explod]

It is pissing rain here at the moment.

I do not know what the temperature is and care less.

My smalls on the line are soaked.

This has happened before, you jokers on the Climate Hysteria Bandwagon need to proffer proof that we are in for a change.

gg

As the heat continues to pump more moisture into the air the rain should continue. From an unpopular source and now unfunded.

Maybe you could rescue the underdacks by poking a curtain rod out the window.