Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Calliope]

Tax cuts could be paid fo by reducing 11,000 dead wood federal public servants, plus the extra public servants that would be needed to administer the carbon tax.

I would say that the bureaucracy needed to run this vast redistribution of wealth will be enormous.

 

[noco]

I would say that the bureaucracy needed to run this vast redistribution of wealth will be enormous.

Calliope, it all about creating jobs, more jobs and more jobs paid for by the tax payer.

Gillard has 'gotta' keep unemployment down. All Labor governments are top heavy with public servants and you can bet you a^*?e a majority would be staunch Labor voters.

 

[trainspotter]

Nice to see such fine manners on display from everyone

Your quoted document shows the coming change in ratios but still no hint as to where the revenue short fall comes from when you remove such a large amount of taxable income from the system?

*SIGH* ..... self funded means just that ! They will still have to pay tax on their earnings IFocus !!

The taxable income is about shifting the current tax regime from individuals/business's to MRRT and CARBON TAX. The bigger companies are going to be slugged who in turn will pass off the impost to the proletariat. The government will use this money as the stop gap measure to fund hospitals, government quangos and the populace.

Colin Barnett adjusted the royalties on the state mining taxes for WA and it blew a 2 BILLION DOLLAR HOLE in the Fed's budget.

Have you not been paying attention?

Now what about this little gem then? You know all this money the Guvmint (and private funds) has locked away in superannuation contributions? Who is to say that in say, 20 years time when all of these BB's DO RETIRE then the Guvmint of the day (under pressure from the sector of course) decides to KEEP your superannuation money and only pay you an annuity BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY YOU OUT !!!!!!!

WAY WAY WAY OFF TOPIC NOW IFocus ...... go and start another thread called "BABY BOOMERS SENDING THE REST OF US BROKE" :

 

[moXJO]

Saw a show the other night on the blue water holes (deep caves filled with water) in the Bahamas. The deeper levels were oxygen free so things were preserved fairly well. Anyway they cut one of the stalactites and tested it in a similar way they do with ice core samples for past climate data. Going off my bad memory in the last 70000 years there were roughly 14 changes in the climate. And some that occurred very rapidly (within 50 years). I know to take TV shows with a grain of salt but did raise some questions.
Any data that shows the rapid change in the past and what caused them?

 

[derty]

Saw a show the other night on the blue water holes (deep caves filled with water) in the Bahamas. The deeper levels were oxygen free so things were preserved fairly well. Anyway they cut one of the stalactites and tested it in a similar way they do with ice core samples for past climate data. Going off my bad memory in the last 70000 years there were roughly 14 changes in the climate. And some that occurred very rapidly (within 50 years). I know to take TV shows with a grain of salt but did raise some questions.
Any data that shows the rapid change in the past and what caused them?

Rapid localised changes are often due to changes in regional ocean currents. In addition there are several orbital cycles that occur that have varying effects on the climate. The main cycles have approx 20,000yr, 40,000yr and 100,000yr frequencies and the stalactites may well be displaying some of the shorter scale climatic changes associated with these (the shorter frequency ones can be seen overprinting the dominant 100,000yr eccentricity variations in the records, interestingly the 100,000yr cycle has been the dominant one in the last million years, prior to that the 40,000yr axial tilt variation was dominant). Also stalactites require air to form so these one would only be recording the local climate whilst they were not submerged.

There is a cave in the Nevada desert, the Devils Hole, where the dating of oxygen isotope ratios preserved in layers of calcite (same mineral that forms stalactites) displayed climatic variations that did not agree with the Milankovitch cycles and was presented as proof that the orbital variations were not the cause of the major climatic variations. It was later found that the oxygen isotope record in the caves was dominated by Pacific Ocean currents and reflected local climatic variations.

Given the Bahamas caves proximity to the ocean you would think that ocean current would have had a significant influence on the temperature record contained in the stalactites there, it would also explain the rapid temperature variations too.

 

[trainspotter]

OMFG !!!!!!!!! A scientist that speaks the truth !!

While global warming doesn't cause the weird weather, the professor acknowledges its part in making some of them more severe.

"Global warming doesn't produce these events, however, it's pretty hard to avoid the conclusion that global warming has exacerbated the frequency and the intensity of these heat waves," the Monash University professorial fellow said.

But this year's floods in Australia do not fit into that picture.

"It is much harder to make the connection to link those floods in Queensland in early 2011 to global warming," he said.

"There was a particular and very unusual meteorological sequence that led to those floods and it is very difficult to work out if climate change is exacerbating that situation at all."

The culprit here is a record-breaking version of La Nina, the relative of the drought-causing El Niño.

"This is the largest recorded La Nina event seen in 120 years of recorded history," Prof Nicholls said.

"The only one that comes close was in 1917."

Prof Nicholls' observations draw the inevitable question as to whether global warming has in turn caused the latest version of La Nina to be especially strong.

The answer to that evades him.

"We don't really know," Prof Nicholls said.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ls/story-e6frfku0-1226087343968#ixzz1R7YijbJ6

 

[drsmith]

A 2000km shift southwards in our climate zones ??

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...mmission-inquiry/story-fn59niix-1226087140792

That would make Australia a tropical paradise.

 

[IFocus]

A 2000km shift southwards in our climate zones ??

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...mmission-inquiry/story-fn59niix-1226087140792

That would make Australia a tropical paradise.

How do you spell malaria..............

 

[IFocus]

WAY WAY WAY OFF TOPIC NOW IFocus ...... go and start another thread called "BABY BOOMERS SENDING THE REST OF US BROKE" :

I would if I could fit Liberal and Abbott in there some where

 

[drsmith]

How do you spell malaria..............

Just think of all that tropical rainforest and the CO2 it could obsorb.

The Lake Eyre Basin could become the new Amazon with a nice big inland sea in the middle. Perfect for Bob Brown to stick his toes into. Don't mention the crocodiles.

 

[trainspotter]

I would if I could fit Liberal and Abbott in there some where

Hasn't stopped you in this thread so far?

 

[moXJO]

Rapid localised changes are often due to changes in regional ocean currents. In addition there are several orbital cycles that occur that have varying effects on the climate. The main cycles have approx 20,000yr, 40,000yr and 100,000yr frequencies and the stalactites may well be displaying some of the shorter scale climatic changes associated with these (the shorter frequency ones can be seen overprinting the dominant 100,000yr eccentricity variations in the records, interestingly the 100,000yr cycle has been the dominant one in the last million years, prior to that the 40,000yr axial tilt variation was dominant). Also stalactites require air to form so these one would only be recording the local climate whilst they were not submerged.

There is a cave in the Nevada desert, the Devils Hole, where the dating of oxygen isotope ratios preserved in layers of calcite (same mineral that forms stalactites) displayed climatic variations that did not agree with the Milankovitch cycles and was presented as proof that the orbital variations were not the cause of the major climatic variations. It was later found that the oxygen isotope record in the caves was dominated by Pacific Ocean currents and reflected local climatic variations.

Given the Bahamas caves proximity to the ocean you would think that ocean current would have had a significant influence on the temperature record contained in the stalactites there, it would also explain the rapid temperature variations too.

Thanks derty

 

[Calliope]

JULIA Gillard has invoked a doomsday-like scenario of metre-high sea level rises and a 2000km southward shift of Australia's climactic zones as she battles an opposition scare campaign over her proposed carbon tax.

And a carbon tax will fix that? What bullsh*t. There is only one reason for this tax. It is to slug industry (i.e. "the big polluters") so that she can buy the votes of those to whom she is diverting most of the money.

If she can pull this off she might have a chance at the next election especially given the fact that Abbott can't match this handout without some other tax. This and Work Choices will be the Labor /Green mantra for the next two years.

Abbott's success will depend on how he handles these issues.

 

[wayneL]

How do you spell malaria..............

How do you spell bulls#!t?

DYOR

 

[explod]

How do you spell bulls#!t?

DYOR

Do you mean a bullseye, maybe?

Now the following may allay the fears of those worrying about a cooling down of the planet and the looming of a new ice age:-

The huge increase in coal-fired power stations in China has masked the impact of global warming in the last decade because of the cooling effect of their sulphur emissions, new research has revealed. But scientists warn that rapid warming is likely to resume when the short-lived sulphur pollution – which also causes acid rain – is cleaned up and the full heating effect of long-lived carbon dioxide is felt.

The last decade was the hottest on record and the 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1998. But within that period, global surface temperatures did not show a rising trend, leading some to question whether climate change had stopped. The new study shows that while greenhouse gas emissions continued to rise, their warming effect on the climate was offset by the cooling produced by the rise in sulphur pollution. This combined with the sun entering a less intense part of its 11-year cycle and the peaking of the El Niño climate warming phenomenon.

Full article at this link;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/04/sulphur-pollution-china-coal-climate

 

[Calliope]

Did you know explod, that 2010 was the hottest year since 1863?

[video]http://youtu.be/xtWIzMY7Dqs[/video]

My link is as credible as yours.

 

[wayneL]

Do you mean a bullseye, maybe?

Obviously your research skills are sub par/non-existent/biased.

The Anopholes mosquito and hence malaria has existed on every continent 'cept Antarctica. Malaria is not a tropical disease and there were epidemics in the UK, Northern Europe and North America before modern health practices were employed.

Please research where Malaria is rampant and report to me why you think the incidence is rare or non-existent in similar climates in other places.

 

[matty77]

Was going to post up a new topic called:

"Are people brainwashed or just stupid?"

So my wife was on a conference the other day (she is a teacher) and the whole day was spent on brainwashing the room about climate change and the carbon tax (I mean WTF?) When she got home I was told she would support the Carbon Tax now, even though she doesnt like Gillard.

Why I ask?

"Because we can afford it and we are the lucky country. We are the biggest polluters and third world countries cant do anything about it so we need. Consumers will think twice about buying something if it cost more."

I am still WTF on this.

 

[wayneL]

It's like a race for who can destroy their prosperity first.

Aus, NZ, EU, USA...

It's WTF alright.

 

[Knobby22]

Double plus good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGwUNTGrnvE&feature=related