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No one seems to be interested in the fact that of the 4 cops there, only 3
fired (8 rounds in total) seems that u can teach officers to fire at body mass
ok but teaching good judgment is something else.

Crazy cos these same cops that can justify putting 8 rounds into a cranky
kid will now be given carte blanche with Tasers.
 
Found these posts on another forum. Treat em as hearsay I guess, but sheesh - if he was 15m away from them !! No wonder the OC spray didn't work lol.

That's 3/4 of a cricket pitch for cryysake.

8 metres is the minimum safe distance for someone advancing at you with a knife. Fair chance that even if you shoot them at that distance and they are running full tilt, they will still get a few wounds into you. Police are taught to shoot for the centre of the body mass. I doubt you'll find a Police Force in the world that isn't taught the same.
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The Assistant Commissioner believed the officers were 13m to 15m away from the boy when the shooting occurred and the 15-year-old shouted "kill me, I'm going to kill you’’
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This case is tragic for everyone, the boy who died, his family, and police officers who must live with this trauma for the rest of their lives.

Unfortunately, however, it's all too common and there are no clear answers. One cannot weigh to a nicety what reaction is appropriate in a fast-moving and volatile situation. It's easy to come to the conclusion that a gun and a knife are unequal weapons, but that isn't necessarily the case. I've worked on numerous homicides cases involving knives, including one where the victim was a police officer who was killed in the line of duty here in Toronto.

My own humble view, however, is that given a choice between the lives of a dangerous individual and a police officer or innocent bystanders, the life of the police officer or bystanders takes precedence.
 
and I wonder did he say "kill me, I'm going to kill you’’ after they sprayed him ?

Cause if it was after ofcourse he would be more angry, especially if they did some half pie job that hurt but didnt immobilise ...
 
If you are actually temporarily psychotic, not much will stop you at all.

I've heard stories of people who were not athletic or sporty in any way, even women, who have been temporarily psychotic and no amount of people or anything could restrain or stop them.
 
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It's Snake Pliskin said:
Reality is needed.
The kid says he was going to kill people. Why sould others die if he shouldn't? Stop them while you can. Crime will stop if you deal with it.
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Agree, yet we catch them, eventually sentence them and they are out in 3 years. (Cricket Bat Killer). Knifes are used to kill in 33% of homicide cases (2005-6) That kid if he happened to be pulled up and searched and a knife found = slap on the wrist (being 15 yrs old)

We are the mugs I feel for cause maybe one of us may have to defend family/friends from these armed crazed individuals with our bare hands.
A knife is a very effcient killing weapon, just ask some WW II diggers
 
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nick2fish said:
We are the mugs I feel for cause maybe one of us may have to defend family/friends from these armed crazed individuals with our bare hands.
A knife is a very effcient killing weapon, just ask some WW II diggers
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Theres a simple answer to that, i always have a firearm near (of course with the proper storage etc..) so already im equally matched (if not better) and i hope i never have to use it. But my wife and 10 month old daughter are much more important than some scum breaking into my home.


As for the incident i like to know all the people that think the shooting is wrong what they would have done? its easy to sit behind your computer and blab your mouth away. What happens if an officer decided against his training and tried to spray capsicum up close but got stabbed? is it now the kids fault?

At least this will send a message to young people of today that your not so big (even when threatening police with a knife).
 
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Ageo said:
Theres a simple answer to that, i always have a firearm near (of course with the proper storage etc..) so already im equally matched (if not better) and i hope i never have to use it. But my wife and 10 month old daughter are much more important than some scum breaking into my home.
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Every Italian family I know could easily supply the army of a medium sized African nation with the guns from their spare room. What is it with that? LOL
 
Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

It's Snake Pliskin said:
Reality is needed.
The kid says he was going to kill people. Why sould others die if he shouldn't? Stop them while you can. Crime will stop if you deal with it.
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Shoud have a picture of a dead kid full of bullets as well then for good measure ?? :eek:


Dont know what it is with people in this day and age how they embrace depictions of violence but a good 50pc are offended by nudity, freaks.
 
On my extensive experience in the social area it is all about parenting (there are some rare exceptions). But if they are not nurtured well in the first few years and then with stable support during the learning period then there is always a problem.

And wait for another 12 years for when the baby bonus kicks in.
 
explod said:
... wait for another 12 years for when the baby bonus kicks in.
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explod,
ahh - good point lol.

Interesting that the pommie article of Waynes calls them a Neo-Nazi group,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article5328921.ece
where the Aussie press are calling it a "white pride" group lol :-

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/13/2445524.htm
Tyler Cassidy's MySpace webpage lists him as a member of the white pride group, Southern Cross Soldiers.

Police say there is nothing to suggest drug use or a history of mental illness.
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ok - So he wasn't mentally ill - other than the fact that he was a knife wielding rascist :rolleyes:

Their only interaction with him in the past was over a minor assault.
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Fair bet that the victim wasn't one of his "white pride" mates.

PS his mates have vowed to "get even" . :eek:

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2445379.htm
A visit to the teenager's MySpace website reveals he was a member of an anti-immigration group called the Southern Cross Soldiers.

Friends have used the site to post tributes this afternoon, including one that reads: "I hope you cops can live with the fact that you've shot dead a 15-year-old boy. I hope that it haunts you the rest of ur lifes".

Another message says "we will keep SCS going in your name." One message threatens the police with revenge, saying "we will get them back, revenge is sweet."
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I wonder if you belonged to say a Black pride group or even a purple pride group if you happened to be that colour, would you then be defined as neo-Nazi ?
 
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2445382.htm

NSW ombudsman calls for caution on Tasers
PM - Friday, 12 December , 2008 18:26:00
Reporter: Alison Caldwell
MARK COLVIN: The Police Association in Victoria is calling for more Tasers to be issued to general duties officers as an alternative to firearms.

Tasers are mainly restricted to specialist units in police forces around Australia. A Taser shoots 50,000 volts into a person.

Tasers have been withdrawn from some police forces in Canada after concerns were raised about their use.

In the UK, by contrast, the Home Office has ordered an extra 10,000 Tasers for their largely unarmed force.

The New South Wales Ombudsman, Bruce Barbour, recently completed an extensive report recommending a moratorium on Tasers and a further two year review into their use.

He spoke to Alison Caldwell.

BRUCE BARBOUR: In my opinion it was undesirable to further roll out the use of Tasers to general duties officers; that we should have a moratorium on that for a further two-year period to see what happens with the Tasers that have been rolled out. Now that they're able to be used by many more officers in the field and to ensure that we learn from their use before we roll them out to every officer.

ALISON CALDWELL: In the process of preparing this report you looked at the situation in Canada; what can you tell us about Taser experience there?

BRUCE BARBOUR: Well, in Canada, as in other places in North America, Tasers are in wide use, particularly in law enforcement agencies. But as Tasers have been used more frequently, so have concerns about the health consequences of their use; the risks for certain groups of people, and also what has been described as mission-creep.

In other words, when every officer is provided with a Taser, there is increasing evidence to suggest that they will be used by officers in circumstances which are more everyday circumstances, rather than what they're intended to be used for, which are very extreme high-risk, dangerous situation.

ALISON CALDWELL: How much is known about the medical risks that Tasers might pose?
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BRUCE BARBOUR: It certainly not conclusive and I'm not saying that they present a definite danger to people, but what the research does seem to suggest is that certain people are at higher risk of having heart-related effects following the use of a Taser.

And they are people such as
substance abusers,
people who are affected by alcohol,
elderly people,
women who might be pregnant;
there are a range of risk factors. Also people who have mental health issues and may be on medication.
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Excuse me madam - but before I shoot you with this taser - would you mind answering a few questions please !
Have you missed any periods lately? :eek:

I prefer the NSW approach. I truly respect the Ombudsman's office, and would take his word every time (pretty much).
NSW ombudsman calls for caution on Tasers
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Another message says "we will keep SCS going in your name." One message threatens the police with revenge, saying "we will get them back, revenge is sweet."
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This is something that concerns me and can probably never be quantified, what grudges do associates hold and what crimes eventually get perpetrated as vengence ? How much damage is done to the Police force level of respect from community etc ?

At the end of the day the Police are structured in a paramilitary manner and its not the individuals choice they must follow the chain of command and shoot for the Torso - change has to happen at a management level.

Will the Police Officer that didnt shoot get into trouble ?
 
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wayneL said:
Every Italian family I know could easily supply the army of a medium sized African nation with the guns from their spare room. What is it with that? LOL
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Hehe Wayne i dont have that many but i believe 1 is enough for home protection (as i said i hope i never have to use it). Obviously the others are for hunting/target shooting.

The old wogs just have plenty because they hate the birds eating there tomatoe plants in the backyard :D
 

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