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Re: XAO Analysis

I try not too forget the fundamentals of why I invested.
AUS companies on a whole in pretty good shape.
AUS has things the rest of the world wants Iron Ore, Coal, Gas, Uranium, being the main ones IMO.
Short term pain long term gain I never seem too be able too pick the bottom and am down on a few investment BHP being the most suprising one. That being said I have no doubts it will recover and make me a profit in a near term time frame as will alot of other stocks on the xao.
Technical CORRECTION Fundamental BULL is my point of view.

That may be true but when you buy a share you are not buying a product. You are buying it to sell again (hopefully for a profit) like everyone else. There's no intrinsic value. Shares prices move based on human ideas about certain things and that's all Therefore consumer confidence is extremely important and the recent sell offs say it all as far as I am concerned. That is also a fundamental!

I have always bought stocks for the long term based on fundamentals but these are the ones i
have lost money in by getting out of the market at this point. It may rebound but it may not but I KNOW I won't lose anymore money. That's more important to me than losing the opportunity to make more money in a market that is just too volatile and dependent on many hidden factors and maybe having to wait three to four years for it get back to previous levels.

I am not a gambler. I only let my shares devalue to the point where I could use the loss as a CGT offset. It began to surpass that point. If there is a real drop in the share market then I want to have some money left to pick up the bargains and not have to wait until prices go up again. I have done enough wishful thinking in the last few months.

I think its important to look at statistics but examine the facts. Look at what is happening with credit. Its so obvious what will happen. When people run out of money ( and that includes big intitutions) they have to start selling things (shares included) and because they are desperate they will take what they can get. Those who have cash are the winners.

Where's all the cash gone that has been liquidated from the sale of shares recently? Somewhere else and I can't see it coming back anytime soon. I for one won't be putting my cash back in the market until this US sub-prime stuff has bottomed out and I am sure I am not alone. I don't believe I am being pessemistic just a realist.

In today's fin review p16. there is an article regarding Goldman Sachs the worlds largest securities firm, describing how they bet on the decline of the sub-prime mortgage market for most of last year and hedged against it. I believe that the entire truth has yet to be revealed and those who know it already have already positioned themselves to deal with it.

my thoughts only and after all only my opinion:)

this is an interesting article

http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:market_analysis:dow_theory
 
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For sure...not much is going to substitute for the vigour of a prolonged bull market like pre-'87 and '03-'07. However, if you are running a LTTF system those little rises I marked up on the chart are tradable. And if conditions were such that your system managed to latch onto a handful of beneficiaries during these positive periods then you will be adding to your equity during them and maintaining that equity during the inevitable declines. In otherwords, what the newspapers and forum posters are reporting as bad times eg. "now we're in a bear market", "it's not as good as it once was!", "the bullmarket is dead!" etc. can still include periods with agreeable conditions for operators of LTTF systems.

LTTF = Long Term Trend Following.

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Interesting how you have this view yet you are still not up and running.
There will never be a perfect time to enter the market, this can only be seen in hindsight.
Remember what your main man Curtis Faith said about outcome bias ? ;)
 
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Hello kennas, sorry for the late reply as not much time at present.

Cheers
Thanks WP. I note you're using the SP500 for the analysis. You're assuming then that we will move in concert with the US, and/or you are trading the SP500? kennas
 
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Do any indicators say we're due for some kind of bounce? Even a 'sucker' rally? It is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain a long-term view throughout all this.

What's the highest interest rate paying savings account? :D

I myself tend to bounce back with confidence once a little sunshine hits (one measly day of green!). But we haven't had it in what feels like weeks.

I would think, with the upcoming US rate cuts, the earnings report season, that we would be going sideways / gaining here...apparently not.
 
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Do any indicators say we're due for some kind of bounce? Even a 'sucker' rally? It is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain a long-term view throughout all this.
Indicators don't tell you a thing that price/volume doesn't already tell you. They're just artificial mathematical constructs.
 
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Interesting how you have this view yet you are still not up and running.
There will never be a perfect time to enter the market, this can only be seen in hindsight.
Remember what your main man Curtis Faith said about outcome bias ? ;)

Don't forget start date bias. Be my guest, drive your system headlong into a bear market. :p:

All things in good time Niz. Whats the hurry, am I missing out on something?

BTW, Curtis isn't my main man...I am my main man!
 
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Thanks WP. I note you're using the SP500 for the analysis. You're assuming then that we will move in concert with the US, and/or you are trading the SP500? kennas

I speak with WP fair bit, so I think I can answer this one for you. WP please correct me if i am wrong with anything.

WP uses the S&P500 as it shows a much broader spread of us stocks. the dow only covers the top 30, s&p shows 500 stocks. that can help u see more on a wider scale of what's happening in the us market.

Now is WP trading the S&P last time we spoke no but with all the short money on offer, that may be a yes and best if WP clarifies it!

This seams different to any correction I have seen on the xao from 2003 but April 05 was also a big one. Last August I am still connecting to the current problems. what worries me this time is that we have been in a long bull market for over 4 years and we have tangible sickness in the worlds largest economy, perfect excuse for fear to take over from greed. I think it all depends on what point you bought into the trend, will determine how uneasy you may be feeling right now, but that's personal opinion only.
 
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SPI made its Record High on 1st November 2007
20 years previously on 19th October 1987
The All Ords was then the Physical.
 
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I've had 5650 as key long term support and I'd expect a technical bounce from around here.

Haven't seen the RSI that low for quite some time...
 

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Re: XAO Analysis

I would be going long TLS. The brokers will be making many a call today.

MARGIN CALLS!!

The panic we had to have?
 
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Come on Wayne!

11/2/any year is important for me!
Its my birthday.
While this repeats fine!

Significance maybe seen by some and not others.
 
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