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Every country has intercontinental delivery systems,....
With a Boeing 747 loaded with a nuke you could hit anywhere on earth,..
Hell you could hit Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne by boat,...
World War III, anyone?
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Every country has intercontinental delivery systems,....
With a Boeing 747 loaded with a nuke you could hit anywhere on earth,..
Hell you could hit Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne by boat,...
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With all due respect to your mate, Tyson, but was said mate conscripted?
If not, I assume he was of sound mind when joining the army. The army is a place where you are trained to kill other people amongst other things. A rational person would conclude that if one were trained to kill, amongst other things, that they should expect to have the probability of being injured or terminated weighed against them?
Bit silly to join the army and complaining when injured by the enemy...
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I spare the same thought for soldiers as I do for any other service. No one is forcing them to do what they do...
cheers,
wayneL
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Just on this issue, there is analysis that suggests the bomb was not necessary.
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/hamby.htm
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To the victors go control of the history books. Google the Bomber Harris and his fire bombing of Dresden for another example of a 'disproportionate' Allied boming campaign.
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Offcoarse he was not conscripted,
Yes soldiers are aware of the dangers they are going to face when they go over seas, they are more aware than any one, But does this mean that you shouldn't be sad when somthing does go wrong and someone you know is killed or maimed.
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Out of all the services the soldiers are the ones on the ground in the feild in the most danger.
and your right no one is forcing them to do it
But the fact that they are vulenteering to put them selves in such danger to protect us is an even more special thing isn't it.
Australia sleeps soundly at night because we have a hardened group men willing to travel to our enemies and commit acts of extreme violence on our behalf.
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Maybe in your eyes, not mine. Surely they way up the pros and the cons. They believe their remuneration is adequate for the service rendered or do armed services doing the job they are paid for expect a ticker tape parade when they come home?
Much like the garbos come round to people's places and do a job we don't want to do.
People now have a more realistic view via the media of what a real hell war is. They should understand more so than people from the vietnam era and prior who may have had deluded visions of grandeur, and maybe rightly so. People of more niave and less informed eras can be excluded from this to some extent.
I do feel greatly for the civilians in any war, not so much for people who choose to put themselves in that position. Of course there is compassion on a one on one level for any armed forces personnel who is killed or injured, such as your friend.
Soldiers are simply puppets and should not question in any way their orders. I'd prefer they learned compassion for their opponents instead of how to kill. I'd prefer they stayed home with their loved ones and never chose to become a sanctioned, professional killer. Maybe the concept may spread and the untold millions of civilians stuck in the middle might get some compassion.
What happens to these "hardened group men willing to travel to our enemies and commit acts of extreme violence on our behalf" when they come back into society? That scares the hell out of me that we teach these people such skills and then expect them to just wander back into society as normal people.
Look at the stats on post traumatic stress disorder on the gulf veterans. Aren't people realizing what they are getting themselves into when they sign up even if they don't receive so much as a physical scratch?
Gee, didn't that become a bit of a tirade? Time for a bex and good lie down..
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People should not confuse a well disiplined soldier as being some sort of puppet.
During my time in the Army I worked very closly in training exercises and operations over seas with the SAS, and these guys are some of the most intelligent and professial men I have ever worked with, they could easily excel in the corporate world however due to an honest love for this country and their families and a feeling that they can make a difference they offer Australia un restricted service.
Yes the remuniration may sound good,... Some of the guys clear over $100,000 a year, but to Get that they can be away for up to 9 months a year on operations and training excercises.
As for comparing the service of a garbo to a soldier,... well it just shows you know nothing,
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Soildiers must be puppets. They are given orders and must complete ultimate tasks and must not waiver. From a global view, they are puppets. On a macro view of their tasks, yes they will make decisions.
And good for you. Just don't expect everyone to love you for it. Polititions have the same argument. They believe they could earn much more in the free market. To hell with them, let them go do it. Someone else will always come along and take their place and in the army's case, unfortunately.
Again, no one is forcing them to take on the role. If they don't like the pay and the working conditions, they should get better career advise. IF a soldier doesn't want to be away from their family, it seems pretty bizarre they would knowingly join a career path that encourages displacement.
re read my post. Soldiers are doing a job the average person does not want to do. To that end, they are very alike. Imagine a country where everyone flatly refuses to remove any rubbish whatsoever. We would be overrun with vermin and disease in a month.
Isn't it great we have a different point of view?
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By this definition just about every body in the world is a puppet,... every employee, every business owner, every contractor.
On the comment of if that if the curent serving members left that they would easily be replaced that is simply not true,... The army as a whole is already not meeting the required recuitment levels,... Not to mention that the SAS has had to disband one of its squadrons and is now operating on just 2 squadrons due to lack of numbers,
Why is the SAS lacking in numbers,... because what we ask them to do is so unbelieveably hard, that the recuitment levels to the SAS are very low and we have been smashing this guys for the last 5 years, the SAS guys in afganistan are often on their 3rd of 4th 6 month deployment within 3 years. and your telling me the sacrifices this guys have made are not note worthy.
this could start something uncomfortable..
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070327/62697703.html
Russian intelligence sees U.S. military buildup on Iran border
17:31 | 27/ 03/ 2007
MOSCOW, March 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russian military intelligence services are reporting a flurry of activity by U.S. Armed Forces near Iran's borders, a high-ranking security source said Tuesday.
"The latest military intelligence data point to heightened U.S. military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran," the official said, adding that the Pentagon has probably not yet made a final decision as to when an attack will be launched.
He said the Pentagon is looking for a way to deliver a strike against Iran "that would enable the Americans to bring the country to its knees at minimal cost."
He also said the U.S. Naval presence in the Persian Gulf has for the first time in the past four years reached the level that existed shortly before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Sciences, said last week that the Pentagon is planning to deliver a massive air strike on Iran's military infrastructure in the near future.
to continue, click on link...
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070327/62697703.html
Russian intelligence sees U.S. military buildup on Iran border
17:31 | 27/ 03/ 2007
MOSCOW, March 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russian military intelligence services are reporting a flurry of activity by U.S. Armed Forces near Iran's borders, a high-ranking security source said Tuesday.
"The latest military intelligence data point to heightened U.S. military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran," the official said, adding that the Pentagon has probably not yet made a final decision as to when an attack will be launched.
He said the Pentagon is looking for a way to deliver a strike against Iran "that would enable the Americans to bring the country to its knees at minimal cost."
He also said the U.S. Naval presence in the Persian Gulf has for the first time in the past four years reached the level that existed shortly before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Sciences, said last week that the Pentagon is planning to deliver a massive air strike on Iran's military infrastructure in the near future.
to continue, click on link...
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I can only comment on Australia But our rules of engagement are very strict,...
Australias rules of engagements follow the international laws, Unarmed Civilians will never be targeted by Australians,.. we target combatants only,... these days though most of the combatants are civilians.
Offcourse there has been accidents how ever all care is taken not to hurt innocents,... there is absouloutly no propaganda to try and hurt civilians this is just your fantasy,...
In afganistan especially our forces are working very closly with the local population,... not against them
An inbound 747 with no reason ( ie not an international schduled airliner / cargo flight ) to be approching Australian air space would be shot down long before it got close to land. One would be very lucky use a 747 as a delievery system...
Dresden is totally different to Japan...
Try looking at the cost in allied lives on Okinawa for a example, not to mention the previuos murderous battles fought island hoping towards Japan..
I can not believe that anyone would compare the two.
Dresden was a terrible event should not have happened, but in defence of Harris it was hard to justify having such a large air group and standing it down.
Tokyo got it worse than Dresden and the Japanese had no intention of surrendering.
You would rather sacrifice allied lives than end the war in a few days...
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Bring it on....
