What is racism?

[luutzu]

The Poms and Scots started the industrial revolution back in abt 1700, which necessitated a raw material and commodity inflow, thus the trading companies and empire building. It took the rest of Europe at least another 100 years to get with the program which ultimately resulted in the first industrial war in 1914.

The difference with the British Empire and the rest was that they gave the countries they conquered the rule of (common) law, good government and parliament (even Japan after WW2), rather than despotic and canonical rule of law. They also have a well chronicled history to justify the progression of and give precedence to their political and legal systems

I thought European imperialism started soon after Columbus found his way to India? He's an Italian, funded by the Spanish monarch right? There's a few famous explorers before him but I think they were more into mapping new routes to actual India and the Middle East for trade purposes (at first).

Britain came later into the game but seem to be more successful. Particularly when those rebels in the American colonies took over, declare independence and start kicking Spanish control and influence out of Florida and its coasts; spread towards the new frontiers and take half of a Spanish colony known as mehico; take over the colony named after King Phillips (the 2?) and setting up puppets and clients all across South Americas until very recently.

The Yanks may not it that you see their handy work as that of British imperialism - even though that is true.

Australia or New Zealand, or India and the Middle East, Burma and most of South East Asia... yea, you can claim those to be Britannia's.

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Well yea, can't argue that all empire colonized others to bring them into modern civilisation and closer to God. Many of them actually went to meet their new God right away too. Even little Napoleon has his code of justice or something comparable to British common law and high ideals right?

I mean, Genghis Khan, so we're told, have said to a Vatican delegates to his capital that he, the Great Khan, is God's punishment for Western debauchery. So God send him and his horsemen all over the world to bring them back into the right path. Same with imperial Japan and its plans for the backward and sick Asians; same with the weren't-sick imperial China; same with the mini-imperial Vietnam and their plans for the native South of Hue before the French got involved with their own missions.

So that's from the enlightened people's perspective. Not sure the natives like it that much though - common law or no common law, they'd probably like their old backward ways of life just fine before most of them were dead.

 

[Craton]

Um, trainspotter. Aren't those pics depicting genocide?

I'd have thought the word racism included discrimination as well as a whole plethora of ideologies with genocide being one of these.

 

[trainspotter]

Um, trainspotter. Aren't those pics depicting genocide?

I'd have thought the word racism included discrimination as well as a whole plethora of ideologies with genocide being one of these.

Nope ... you can discriminate against people of the same coloured skin/age/handicap/whatever.

Hitler was racist as he was consistently anti- Semite. He believed the Germans or Arians to be a superior race.

Racism has many categories and sub categories

 

[Craton]

Nope ... you can discriminate against people of the same coloured skin/age/handicap/whatever.

Hitler was racist as he was consistently anti- Semite. He believed the Germans or Arians to be a superior race.

Racism has many categories and sub categories

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Splitting hairs, gotcha...

 

[Tisme]

I thought European imperialism started soon after Columbus found his way to India? He's an Italian, funded by the Spanish monarch right? There's a few famous explorers before him but I think they were more into mapping new routes to actual India and the Middle East for trade purposes (at first).

Britain came later into the game but seem to be more successful. Particularly when those rebels in the American colonies took over, declare independence and start kicking Spanish control and influence out of Florida and its coasts; spread towards the new frontiers and take half of a Spanish colony known as mehico; take over the colony named after King Phillips (the 2?) and setting up puppets and clients all across South Americas until very recently.

The Yanks may not it that you see their handy work as that of British imperialism - even though that is true.

Australia or New Zealand, or India and the Middle East, Burma and most of South East Asia... yea, you can claim those to be Britannia's.

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Well yea, can't argue that all empire colonized others to bring them into modern civilisation and closer to God. Many of them actually went to meet their new God right away too. Even little Napoleon has his code of justice or something comparable to British common law and high ideals right?

I mean, Genghis Khan, so we're told, have said to a Vatican delegates to his capital that he, the Great Khan, is God's punishment for Western debauchery. So God send him and his horsemen all over the world to bring them back into the right path. Same with imperial Japan and its plans for the backward and sick Asians; same with the weren't-sick imperial China; same with the mini-imperial Vietnam and their plans for the native South of Hue before the French got involved with their own missions.

So that's from the enlightened people's perspective. Not sure the natives like it that much though - common law or no common law, they'd probably like their old backward ways of life just fine before most of them were dead.

The poms had common law way before Columbus sailed the ocean green in 14 hundred and 93

I thought Columbus was a Genoan and therefore a Milanese Spaniard? Italy wasn't around then was it?

 

[Tisme]

Practical racism from the other day in sunny Gold Coast:

http://bit.ly/1O5qx4S

 

[luutzu]

The poms had common law way before Columbus sailed the ocean green in 14 hundred and 93

I thought Columbus was a Genoan and therefore a Milanese Spaniard? Italy wasn't around then was it?

A Sopranos episode show how Italians all love Columbus and celebrate the US Columbus Day. If you can't learn history from TV, where else do you learn it? Books?

But yea, tomayto, tomarto. All Olive and White people look the same to me

 

[Tink]

Good to see History running in this forum, because they aren't in our public education system.

Chaos in our public education system.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25851

Everywhere in the West today we see the decline of the great universities, and the death of education in general.
Instead of proper teaching and learning, we find indoctrination, propaganda, political correctness, and grown up cry babies who throw hissy fits about everything that does not strike their fancy.

 

[bellenuit]

Everywhere in the West today we see the decline of the great universities, and the death of education in general.
Instead of proper teaching and learning, we find indoctrination, propaganda, political correctness, and grown up cry babies who throw hissy fits about everything that does not strike their fancy.

You can say amen to that quote. Universities in the West have succumbed to political correctness in a big way when many are preventing ideas being discussed because certain groups demand a "safe space" in which to pursue their studies. By "safe space" they do not mean safe in the physical sense, but safe in the sense of being in an environment where ideas they find confronting are not given air, even though they are under no compulsion to take part in or even attend such discussions. Recently there have been a plethora of attempts to prevent secular people, moderate and ex-muslims speaking on campus because they may discuss issues that make certain groups uncomfortable (muslim and some left wing student bodies).

Here is a prime example from London's Goldsmith University. Maryam Namazie is an Iranian-born secularist and human rights activist, commentator and broadcaster. She is spokesperson for Iran Solidarity, One Law for All and the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain. She was invited by the University's Atheist, Secularist and Humanist Society (ASH) to give a talk on Blasphemy and Apostasy. The University's Islamic Society (ISOC) tried to prevent the event taking place and when unsuccessful, went out of their way to disrupt it.

It is worth listening to what Maryam had to say and ask yourself is that hate speech. You can see the intolerant attitude of ISOC attendees from about the 12 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1ZiZdz5nao

After the event (which I urge you to view in its entirety), ISOC took to their Facebook page to “categorically condemn the vile harassment of our members (both male and female) by the ASH.”

The group claimed the ASH invited Namazie, whom they referred to as “a notorious islamophobe,” to speak at the event, “despite our polite request for them to reconsider.” The ISOC’s statement added: “The university should be a safe space for all our students. Islamophobic views like those propagated by Namazie create a climate of hatred and bigotry towards Muslim students.

“Muslim students who attended the event were shocked and horrified by statements made by Namazie, and peacefully expressed their dissent to the disrespectful cartoons shown of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

“These students were subsequently made subject to unnecessary bullying, abuse and violence by the ASH society and security staff. Some students were even forcibly removed from the event.”

What makes matters worse, Goldsmiths Feminist Society also waded into the debate and released a statement saying it “stands in solidarity” with ISOC, and further supported the group in “condemning the actions of the ASH.”

Listen to the talk and judge for yourself.

Muslim students from Goldsmiths University’s Islamic Society ‘heckle and aggressively interrupt’ Maryam Lamaze talk

http://www.independent.co.uk/studen...ckle-and-aggressively-interrupt-a6760306.html

Related to this and also worth reading:

The Shame and the Disgrace of the Pro-Islamist Left

http://quillette.com/2015/12/06/the-shame-and-the-disgrace-of-the-pro-islamist-left/

 

[wayneL]

You can say amen to that quote....

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Related to this and also worth reading:

The Shame and the Disgrace of the Pro-Islamist Left

http://quillette.com/2015/12/06/the-shame-and-the-disgrace-of-the-pro-islamist-left/

I can't get my mind around the irony of the PC left, who generally disdain Christianity in favour of so-called humanism in our own culture, being such strong supporters of fundamental Islam in western society.

It is so morally and intellectually incongruent, I can't get my mind around it; It's like the intention is to destroy our own culture.

 

[SirRumpole]

I can't get my mind around the irony of the PC left, who generally disdain Christianity in favour of so-called humanism in our own culture, being such strong supporters of fundamental Islam in western society.

It is so morally and intellectually incongruent, I can't get my mind around it; It's like the intention is to destroy our own culture.

The Left see themselves as protectors of what they see as downtrodden minorities.

I've seen it myself on this forum when some who are strident critics of Christianity still manage to find excuses for equally arcane expressions of Islamic silliness.

 

[Tink]

Thanks, bellenuit. Amen to that too.

Wayne, you have said what I have been trying to say. THANK YOU.

Just to add, in Victoria, our Premier has banned Christmas Hymns in State Schools.

 

[Tisme]

Another blatant racist act by Coca Cola = they pulled it after social media decide what was right for the aboriginals and apparently this is colonialism:

“This type of publicity is an act of discrimination and racism,” Elvira Pablo, an indigenous lawyer, said at a press conference in Mexico City on Wednesday. “It is a comment on our type of life and an attempt to put a culture of consumerism in its place.”

So little thanks for Coke after giving them all the opportunity for diabetes and obesity.

The same mob that invented Santa via Haddon Sundblom


http://www.mutoworld.com/_uimages/PinUp_Santa.jpg

http://www.americanartarchives.com/sundblom_coke_lhj_dec50.jpg

 

[bellenuit]

The Left see themselves as protectors of what they see as downtrodden minorities.

The incongruence comes when there are minorities within the minorities. So some on the left who see Muslims in general as a downtrodden minority and offer their support, fail to see the minorities within Muslim societies who are downtrodden by the majority Muslims, such as Christian sects, non-mainstream Muslims, homosexuals, atheists, apostates and of course women in general.

There are many on the left whose support for the underdog is entirely dependent on who the "overdog" is. So long as blame can be attributed to the West, the US in particular, they are behind the cause. But they are completely silent when blame is attributable to one of their "favoured" minorities. The silence of the Western feminist movement to the barbarities committed against women in Islamic societies is a prime example.

 

[luutzu]

The incongruence comes when there are minorities within the minorities. So some on the left who see Muslims in general as a downtrodden minority and offer their support, fail to see the minorities within Muslim societies who are downtrodden by the majority Muslims, such as Christian sects, non-mainstream Muslims, homosexuals, atheists, apostates and of course women in general.

There are many on the left whose support for the underdog is entirely dependent on who the "overdog" is. So long as blame can be attributed to the West, the US in particular, they are behind the cause. But they are completely silent when blame is attributable to one of their "favoured" minorities. The silence of the Western feminist movement to the barbarities committed against women in Islamic societies is a prime example.

Some people may be more complicated than the Left/Right classification. Some might support or argue a point because they believe it's the right thing to do; some may take a position because they know enough, are informed enough, to take that position.

Example. When ISIS murder reporters and countless other innocent people en mass; people are outraged and horrified and find it unacceptable... some may find such killings wrong and immoral simply because it's killing people, not because it's ISIS that does it so it's wrong.

I think the world would be a better place if we have more objective people who does not condone any sort of violence or murder, by any group using any sort of weapons.

If we keep picking sides, not only will violence and war keep going round in circles, we cannot seriously claim ourselves to be moral or objective.

How many millions Afghani and Iraqi died since 2001? 4 or 5 millions so far? How many wounded? How many more will die due to lack of food and water and medical care because their infrastructure and livelihoods got caught in the crossfires?

Millions of people died, millions more made homeless and dislocated... and the only things we hear from "our" leaders is the war was a "strategic blunder". But that's the past, let's now chase ISIS to the gates of hell in Syria, draw the former evil empire into it and let's hope we all only get to blow up terrorists with no airforce and not each other's jets - that may start a nuclear World War and we obviously are doing everything we can to prevent that.

But yea, it's all Islam's fault. Dam crazy religion. Teaching their followers to hate those who take over their country, killing their people directly or indirectly causing their death, propping up dictators and stealing their resources.

 

[Boggo]

And she is a member of congress !!!!!!

 

[wayneL]

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The incongruence comes when there are minorities within the minorities. So some on the left who see Muslims in general as a downtrodden minority and offer their support, fail to see the minorities within Muslim societies who are downtrodden by the majority Muslims, such as Christian sects, non-mainstream Muslims, homosexuals, atheists, apostates and of course women in general.

There are many on the left whose support for the underdog is entirely dependent on who the "overdog" is. So long as blame can be attributed to the West, the US in particular, they are behind the cause. But they are completely silent when blame is attributable to one of their "favoured" minorities. The silence of the Western feminist movement to the barbarities committed against women in Islamic societies is a prime example.

Eggsackadackly! Those very things that liberals (not as in the Liberal Party) have fought so long and hard for, they want to P155 away in supporting medieval barbarity.... because it's a minority?

Just what the actual f###????

 

[Tisme]

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Eggsackadackly! Those very things that liberals (not as in the Liberal Party) have fought so long and hard for, they want to P155 away in supporting medieval barbarity.... because it's a minority?

Just what the actual f###????

If they crave the satisfaction of doing good deeds for the cro magnons, maybe they should take in a temperamental bull terrier and give it a home, care and a few stray children to destroy ...same effect, but putting the costs where they belong.

 

[Value Collector]

I can't get my mind around the irony of the PC left, who generally disdain Christianity in favour of so-called humanism in our own culture, being such strong supporters of fundamental Islam in western society.

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I think what is causing you confusion is that most Humanists are openly against religion and want to restrict the influence of religion in schools and on governments etc, which makes you think they want to forcibly abolish all religion. So when you see them step in and defend the rights of muslims, you think this is a contradiction.

What is really happening is that most humanists are pro religious freedom, even more so than most religious people, and they don't want members of one religion having their religious freedom trashed in favour of another.

For example, If you want to ban new mosques being built, then you need to ban new churches also, if you want to ban Muslim faith schools, you need to ban Christian ones.

I hate religion, I wish people would abandon all superstition in favour of rational thought, however I believe its peoples right to believe what they want, and as long as they are not harming anyone, and keep it out of government and schools, then I support their right to have and practice a religion, so protestors calling to ban mosques do not have my support, people can build as many churches or mosques as they like, as long as its not government subsidized.

I actually support religious freedom more than the religious people here, I mean they only want freedom for their brand, I want everyone to have religious freedom, so long as its not infringing on the rights of others.

 

[SirRumpole]

I actually support religious freedom more than the religious people here, I mean they only want freedom for their brand, I want everyone to have religious freedom, so long as its not infringing on the rights of others.

Fair enough on the surface, but then you have to make a judgement as to whether religion is infringing on the rights of others.

e. g. do you consider that merely by being brought up in a religious family is affecting a persons right to "freedom from religion" ?

IMO joining a religion should be like joining the army, you have to be of a certain age to get in, it must be a totally voluntary choice, and you are not browbeaten by your family to "join their club".

Some religions seem to think that they own for life all those whose parents belong to their club, and it's not just Muslims :- Catholics, Jehova's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons all think that their children must follow the path or be damned for life, and afterwards.

That is the worst form of psychological brainwashing practised by religious cults.