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McLovin said:
In London there is a fairly big divide between South Africans and Australians. That said, one of the best friends I have from my time over there is South African. I don't what the source of the tension was but it's noticeable.
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Cricket, Rugby and both groups like to make their presence felt.

(IMO)
 
People do not like or dislike "races". They like or dislike forms of behaviour. That's what culture is: a form of exhibited behaviour. That I find a certain form of behaviour repugnant - say, the double standard with which women are treated in many Islamic cultures - is entirely reasonable because I do not accept as legitimate the basis that informs treating women differently. That is my culture.
 
Nutmeg said:
say, the double standard with which women are treated in many Islamic cultures - is entirely reasonable because I do not accept as legitimate the basis that informs treating women differently. That is my culture.
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I am a bit s l o w what does the above exactly mean? Please translate.:eek:
 
Nutmeg said:
I hope you're not being serious. However, if you are, try:
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Gotcha, I misunderstood your statement. So you think women should be treated equally, thanks, so do I. But why are women executives being paid less than males in the same job in Australia? Is that racism? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
 
Bill M said:
Gotcha, I misunderstood your statement. So you think women should be treated equally, thanks, so do I. But why are women executives being paid less than males in the same job in Australia? Is that racism? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
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You're barking up the wrong tree. My point is that people do not respond to "races". They respond to behaviours. Muslims share certain behaviours which, when exhibited in liberal western societies in varying degrees, westerners react against with revulsion. They are not "racist" against Muslims because of their skin colour. They just don't like a lot of the behaviour that, rightly or wrongly, they have come to associate with Muslims.
 
Julia said:
I've known a lot of South Africans and have never once found that. They fit in here really well.
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McLovin said:
In London there is a fairly big divide between South Africans and Australians. That said, one of the best friends I have from my time over there is South African. I don't what the source of the tension was but it's noticeable.
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Folks

I stand corrected (no regret vs apology word mincing here) and let me expand my statement earlier made.

I should have stated that many of the South Africans or many of the Australians etc. Generalisation was inappropriate and sorry for that oversight.

Having said that, I do agree that I have met many South Africans who are extremely friendly to Australians and vice versa. We need to take a deep note on the definition of 'Australians' and 'South Africans'. I have noticed many people originated from SA love to call themselves as Africanas than SA. But I still struggle to see that we in Australia call ourselves as Australians and then divide to call Italians, Indians, English, Greek etc. Fortunately no matter how you look like, in Canada and USA I found people are very proud to call themselves as Americans and Canadians (to some less extent however and unless you live in British Properties in Vancouver :D)


Until I went to work in a remote large gold mining project in Western Australia , I always used to share the same view what both of you stated.

In that mine - I saw how bitterly some of my colleagues hated some of very respected and knowledgable colleagues have just because of their nationalities. One of very knowledgable colleague left a large mining project (traded in ASX so do not want to name) just because he was cornered by his fellow colleagues. I asked those colleagues and the reply came "We do not want any SA" here. As far as I was concerned I found the SA colleague was honest and extremely knowledgable.

More I grew older and penetrated deeper into the socieity I learnt more.

Working for some of the large EPCM companies in Perth I noticed the same in reverse direction. One of my previous superiors in an EPCM company gradually replaced many good Australians by South Africans (Africanas) because he felt comfort zone. Since he took over 8 out of 10 new recruits happened to be people of SA.

May be a sheer coincidence and not a racism.

Having said that, I also noticed that generally the Underground Miners from SA have much better skills compared to their counterparts in Australia. It is more so because of they have had more opportunities to develop mines in SA than we in Australia have in past 100 years or so. That also explains some reasons of perceived racism - from FEAR of losing power and position.

To conclude I still remember one of my ex colleagues' famous statement who was also the HR Manager of the mining contractor in Perth. He used to call himself as the most racist. It was because as per him, he hated equally both black or white. I have not found such an honest statement :D.
 
Miner, Afrikaners are a distinct ethnic group, different from British South Africans.
Afrikaners (including the distinct Boer subgroup[6]) are an ethnic group in Southern Africa descended from Dutch (including Flemish), French and German settlers whose native tongue is Afrikaans: a Germanic language which derives primarily from 17th century Dutch, and a variety of other languages.[7]

Their ancestors were Dutch Calvinists, with smaller numbers of Frisians, English, Germans and French Huguenots, and with minor numbers of other European groups (such as Dutch Jews, Scandinavians, Portuguese, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Scots, Irish, Polish).

Most Afrikaner families have between 5% and 7% non-white ancestry, such as Khoi African, Indonesian and Indian, as the early Dutch settlement at the Cape allowed inter-racial marriage.[8][9] This is well attested by genealogical records and DNA research.[7] During the Apartheid era, race classification was based on appearance and there were many borderline cases.[10]

South Africans of British descent are considered a separate ethnic group from Afrikaners, and their first language is English.
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Julia said:
Miner, Afrikaners are a distinct ethnic group, different from British South Africans.
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South Africans of British descent are considered a separate ethnic group from Afrikaners, and their first language is English.
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Which brings us into Nationalism, which isn't any more ethical than racism.
It seems that humans have an innate need to "belong". Be it a family, a tribe, a nation, ...
On second thoughts, replace "humans" by "most animals". If you've watched "Meerkat Manor" you'll know what I mean.
All through their development, it's been tough going, finding food and shelter, safety in the group that gives their offspring a better chance of survival. Any external group/ horde/ tribe poses a threat, intent on expanding into "our" territory.

Subconsciously, that kind of "Us vs Them" manifests itself in both racism and nationalism. And the bigger the dung heap a group has managed to collect, the greater their feeling of superiority, hubris, elitism, being "the Chosen Ones"; which then leads to contempt of all of "Them", called by derogatory names like Barbarians, Natives, Infidels, Heathen,..., and destined to be conquered, enslaved, exterminated.

In that sense, the source of a derogatory "Ni99er", "B00ng", "Ding0", ... lies right next door to turf wars between "Families" in various Underbellies, Bikie gang warfare on a small scale, and the Crusades, Conquistadores, and Colonisation in a larger context.

Think about it, next time you hear "Britannia Rules the Waves", or "Deutschland Uber Alles."

PS: As an Eagles supporter, I hate the Magpies. But that's OK. Everybody does. :p:
 
Nutmeg said:
You're barking up the wrong tree. My point is that people do not respond to "races". They respond to behaviours. Muslims share certain behaviours which, when exhibited in liberal western societies in varying degrees, westerners react against with revulsion. They are not "racist" against Muslims because of their skin colour. They just don't like a lot of the behaviour that, rightly or wrongly, they have come to associate with Muslims.
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I would say that the people who branded Gueant "racist' are the real racists.
FRENCH Interior Minister Claude Gueant, a hardliner close to President Nicolas Sarkozy, came under fire today for the second time in a month for comments deemed racist by liberals.
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"We don't want foreign town councillors making halal food obligatory in canteen meals .... or regulating mixed bathing in swimming pools," Gueant told an audience near Nancy in eastern France.
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"for us all civilisations are not of equal value."
"Those which defend humanity seem to us to be more advanced than those that do not," he said, stressing the need to "protect our civilisation".
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Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ks/story-e6frfku0-1226288334367#ixzz1o61MYvAb
 
Calliope said:
I would say that the people who branded Gueant "racist' are the real racists.
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Absolutely, Calliope;
and the "liberals" that criticize him for stating the bleeding obvious aren't liberal at all. They are advocating cultural suicide. Tolerance of other people's views can only extend across people who maintain the same tolerance in return. Beyond that, it becomes self-defeating.
A number of European countries are gradually waking up to this fact. High time, we did too.
 
'If they take offence that's their choice:' Greg Ritchie defends accusations of racism'

Former Test batsman Greg Ritchie has defended himself against claims of racist and anti-Muslim comments at a Brisbane Test luncheon, refusing to apologise and saying: "If they take offence that's their choice."
The ex-Australian player and television personality was attacked for using the forbidden "k-word" during a lunchtime speech at the Brisbane Cricket Ground Trust members dining room on day one of the first Test against South Africa on Friday. He also made disparaging remarks about Islamic people in the address, South Africa's Sunday Times reported.
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Link - http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/if-they-take-offence-thats-their-choice-greg-ritchie-defends-accusations-of-racism-20121111-2963p.html
 
Racism is knocking or bagging someone of a race or creed other than your own. For example we can bag the crap out of Tony Abbott or Julia Gillard but if they were Muslim, Aboriginal, Japanese, Chinese or Touch ya knees then that is racism. Know the difference.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Racism is knocking or bagging someone of a race or creed other than your own. For example we can bag the crap out of Tony Abbott or Julia Gillard but if they were Muslim, Aboriginal, Japanese, Chinese or Touch ya knees then that is racism. Know the difference.
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I thought it was a word used by people who are losing their argument .... bigot is the fallback word and both are exclusive domains of fair skinned peoples.;)
 
Tisme said:
I thought it was a word used by people who are losing their argument .... bigot is the fallback word and both are exclusive domains of fair skinned peoples.;)
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Lol, if you've ever spent time with our indigenous folk, you'll know that neither word has exclusivity rights.
 
This picture says it all:

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