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Western society is doomed

It's a worldwide phenomenon :
http://kingideas.co/2017/03/rape-victim-forced-to-parent-with-rapist/

 
Whilst China has been distracting you with it's Noth Korean outpost lieutenant - Kim Jong Un making lots of noise, China was muscle-flexing in Doklam Plateau in western Bhutan which is yet another "manifestation” of the vicious communist dictatorships 100 year plan to take over the world, a policy formulated in 1955 which includes it's decades-old strategy of "encircling” India, Lobsang Sangay, head of Tibetan Government-in-Exile, said.

Sangay told DH that what had happened at Doklam along China-Bhutan border this year had earlier happened with Tibet in 1959.

He was obviously referring to Chinese People's Liberation Army's invasion and continuing brutal occupation of Tibet.

"In early 1950s, the then Chairman of People’s Republic of China termed Tibet as China’s right hand palm whereas Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Arunachal Pradesh are its five fingers. Therefore, China’s flexing of its military muscle is a manifestation of its decades old strategy to encircle and weaken India,” said the Sikyong of the Tibetan Government-in-Exile.

The Indian Army and the Chinese People's Liberation Army recently had a 72-day-long face-off at Doklam Plateay near India-China-Bhutan tri-junction boundary point.

The face-off started on June 16 when the Chinese PLA personnel started constructing a road on Doklam Plateau along the disputed China-Bhutan border, brushing aside the protests by Royal Bhutanese Army soldiers posted nearby. Indian Army intervened on June 18 and sent soldiers to stop the Chinese PLA personnel from constructing the road. This led to the face-off that finally ended on August 28.

Though the military face-off between the two neighbors at Doklam Plateau ended, the reports indicated fresh build-up by Chinese People's Liberation Army near India-China-Bhutan tri-junction boundary point.

"The Doklam situation is consistent with a troubling pattern of Chinese policy of trying to alter the basic facts on the ground,” said Sangay, a second generation refugee from Tibet, who in April 2011 elected to the top office of the Central Tibetan Administration or the Tibetan government-in-exile based at Dharamshala in Himachal Pradesh. He was elected for a second term last year.

"China’s nationalistic design is increasingly becoming apparent; with the South China Sea, East China Sea, Scarborough Island and, increasing border incursions across the MacMahon line and now at Doklam,” he told DH in an interview.
 
Immigration, Hanson, "no more Muslims" .

Immigration / Muslims is always a discussion and some.

Australia depends on immigration for many reasons a lot being of being of a high complexity and conflicting aims.

Who do we allow in.........Muslims?

Certainly issues around radicalisation and integration of followers of the Sunni Sect.
 
Ideologies, dress, culture, religious law are worlds apart. Middle East is more aligned.
 
Australia depends on immigration for many reasons a lot being of being of a high complexity and conflicting aims.

We used to depend on immigration to supply people to work on the farms, in the factories and in the mines, but with increasing automation and technology we don't need them any more and a lot will end up unemployed.

Low wages growth indicates an over supply of labour, the solution to that should be obvious.
 


It indicates poor governance in balancing the three basic factors of production Labour, Land and Capital.

The failure rate of delivering infrastructure, the success in closing factories, the cash debt of $500bn, etc points to a govt more interested in rule than national build.

When the economy started tanking the USA prime pumped just like us. The USA increased its industry and we reduced ours. The USA has a shortage of mobile skilled labour, we don't need much skilled labour because we don't have any real scale industry.
 
When the economy started tanking the USA prime pumped just like us. The USA increased its industry and we reduced ours. The USA has a shortage of mobile skilled labour, we don't need much skilled labour because we don't have any real scale industry.

It's difficult to see where we will be going without a genuine manufacturing capability. A service economy probably with most of the jobs going to child/old age/ disability support and selling imported goods.

There isn't much point in people getting university qualifications in science or engineering unless they intend to live and work overseas, and we therefore lose the tax revenue that we invested in their education.
 

A vast amount of "engineers" find themselves behind a desk regurgitating company and association specifications and drafting. They are basically doing half of certIII occupation, never even getting to put their hand to anything..... they tend to turn into schoolgirl pedants because of the sheltered workshops they call workplace.

Science degrees might get you a job in high school teaching, but without govt departments the pond is very small.
 
https://theconversation.com/the-con...te-in-university-humanities-departments-87750
 
That was a very thought provoking clip from Jordan Peterson. I think the concept of a "Noble Story" as a basis for society makes some sense. I suppose I wonder what that noble story was in the past, ( was it in fact that noble ?) and what type of story could be constructed and effectively sold in the present society.
 

Na. Churchill was wrong there. And he ought to know better having been at the head of an imperial power in decline.

The decline and fall of Western civilisations, as with any civilisation, will not be due to the lack of a good story to tell. But will be due to imperial hubris. Military over-reach. Way too many useless foreign adventures.
 

That's a bit brutal Luutzu!! But on reflection makes sense.
I still think that a good cohesive worthwhile narrative in a society can be valuable in terms of a unifying force. Having said that I struggle to see what that could be today.

If I had to offer one theme it would be Renewal of the Earth. Practically speaking there is zero chance we can survive as a structured society on this planet if we continue to overuse our resources and effectively destroy the infrastructure that supports all life. Maybe that is the "cause" ?
 

Oh. I actually agree with you. I also think that a "Noble Story" is important for society, passing on from one generation to another heroic deeds and all that.

But such stories can be fictional. And they often are. So if there's no noble deeds to tell, people will just make them up. No end of civilisation there.

I guess Churchill might have meant an "honest" story. But na, any story is an honest one if it's accepted by the authority and written down in the history books.

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Maybe the story we can tell our kids today could be, I don't know... to quote JFK's... we all breathe the same air; all cherished our children's future... we are all mortal.

Seems the world today... or as policies and poverty are driving at it... doesn't really want that sense of unity, brotherhood of man and all that. I mean, heck, JFK is apparently a psycho warmonger like the best of them... and he's seen as a liberal and kind leader... Mainly from those fine speeches he gave.

Then there's Obama and his "no black america, no white america... just one America..." No red, no blue, just all awesome; brother's keepers and all that bs.

The people want to believe it, want to see equality, equal opportunity and such. Hence they voted for him. But then get properly disappointed.

Then there's Trump... going around the world using his presidential authority to personally pressed other countries to buy American arms, waging wars on everything and everyone but wealth and the rich.

Bragging about bombing Syria, quoted by his UN envoy as America is "lock and loaded"... Jesus Christ.

What was I saying? Long day.
 

Russia Exposes British Lies on Skripal, but Trail Leads to US

Moscow says it has proof that the agent used in the UK attack is a chemical weapon patented in the US. So was this a covert operation aimed at ratcheting up tensions between the West and Russia?

M.K. BHADRAKUMAR

The sensational case of the poisoning of the ex-MI6 agent and former Russian military intelligence colonel Sergei Skripal on March 4 in Salisbury, in the UK, is becoming more and more curious. Under a blinding spotlight from Moscow, the British allegation regarding a Russian hand in the poisoning of Skripal is getting exposed. An engrossing plot in big-power politics is also unfolding. There is stuff here for a Le Carre novel.

Are we witnessing a replay of the false flag Gulf of Tonkin attack of August 1964, the imaginary “incident” concocted by the US military to provide legal and political justification for deploying American forces in South Vietnam and for commencing open warfare against North Vietnam?"

https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...-british-lies-skripal-but-trail-leads-us.html
 
No one trusts either side now...
 
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