Western society is doomed

[crackajack2]

animals breed like flies to **** its always been that way.

 

[IFocus]

Oh brother.

I'm talking about the SHY, Gillian Triggs and Soros' of this world. Excuse my incredulity at your argument's irrelevance.

Common Wayne I know you like to slag off the left but extremes exist on both sides of the equation and let's be honest they borrow each other's methods and ideologies.

What do you want to defend Holocaust deniers maybe some of the nice folks walking around with flaming torches saying Jews won't replace us or forget to mention the Koch brothers and any other number of nasties.

No one here including you are in that realm.

 

[wayneL]

Common Wayne I know you like to slag off the left but extremes exist on both sides of the equation and let's be honest they borrow each other's methods and ideologies.

What do you want to defend Holocaust deniers maybe some of the nice folks walking around with flaming torches saying Jews won't replace us or forget to mention the Koch brothers and any other number of nasties.

No one here including you are in that realm.

Mate, this is a major part of my irritation at the excesses of the left. It will inevitably give rise to the extreme right.... and that is exactly what is happening.

 

[moXJO]

I agree with wayne.
The lefts BS brings out the far right in greater numbers.

 

[luutzu]

Democracy Now! The War and Peace Report.

They don't report much peace though. It's quite enlightening, but depressing.

The first 7 minutes show how Trump is screwing everybody who's poor, sick, colored, old, need help after a few hurricanes.

Get this, Trump's US is lending money to Puerto Rico to help it paid for the hurricane disaster. It's an American territory, its people are American citizens, but doesn't look like he's invoking that national disaster clause to open up disaster relief funding.

Then there's a good 'ol prison warden complaining about the release of non-violent offenders. They're the good ones, he said; the prison can use them to clean, cook, change car oils, work outside of prison... (all for $1 a day or something), and you're releasing them?

It's like a comedy.

 

[Wysiwyg]

The first 7 minutes show how Trump is screwing everybody who's poor, sick, colored, old, need help after a few hurricanes.

It is more noticaeable "America First" is bcoming just that. The dependence on U.S. money for help is becoming less automatic. The withdrawal from UNESCO (Director General graduated from the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, preparing under the control of the KGB) due to anti Israel sentiment. Threat to withdraw from North American free trade agreements. Corporate tax breaks. Repatriation of O.S. earnings

“We expect that trillions of dollars will come back on shore and will be reinvested here in the United States, for capital goods and job creation,” Mnuchin said.

Get this, Trump's US is lending money to Puerto Rico to help it paid for the hurricane disaster. It's an American territory, its people are American citizens, but doesn't look like he's invoking that national disaster clause to open up disaster relief funding.

He meant United States First, America second.

A not happy Trump said U.S. paid off Iran with 1.3 billion and flew 400 million directly to aid prisoner release. Tough Trumpy will not be appeasing the Iranians from now on by the sound of it.

The Obama administration said Wednesday it paid $1.3 billion in interest to Iran in January to resolve a decades-old dispute over an undelivered military sale, two days after allowing $400 million in cash to fly to Tehran.

 

[IFocus]

Mate, this is a major part of my irritation at the excesses of the left. It will inevitably give rise to the extreme right.... and that is exactly what is happening.

I agree with wayne.
The lefts BS brings out the far right in greater numbers.

Wow that's an argument I hadn't ever considered.

The state of mainstream left politics these days world wide is way further to the right side than ever.

Labor in Australia looks much more like the Menzies government than Whitlam's.

The real left or social progressives have pretty much been stripped of any real power more than ever.
Unions have been progressively neutered effectively to a point where the only effective organisations left have always been considered right wing within the labour movement.

You have the situation where the lowest paid have been stripped of OT rates by a process started by the Labor party (that fool Shorten) go figure that one out. All the while tax cuts are given to corporations.

In the 70's this would have led to storming of the gates of parliament now goes through with barely a whimper. The campaign by conservatives to hobble the masses while serving their sponsors have been very effective.

What has also changed is the business model of media peddling the poor me I am being victimised to feed prejudices like Fox News/Freinds, Bolt etc. And they are making a motza from it.

Stories now come out of the USA where retired parents that have Fox on all the time are now always angry when their kids ring them up.

Here the SSM thing is being obfuscated by claiming it will impact religious freedoms what rubbish but its getting a great run.

 

[luutzu]

It is more noticaeable "America First" is bcoming just that. The dependence on U.S. money for help is becoming less automatic. The withdrawal from UNESCO (Director General graduated from the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, preparing under the control of the KGB) due to anti Israel sentiment. Threat to withdraw from North American free trade agreements. Corporate tax breaks. Repatriation of O.S. earnings

"America First" is a slogan to fool American patriots who aren't up to date with the news.

It tells the struggling (White) Americans that they're hurting because previous presidents (aka Hussein Obama) did not put America first; was working for the Muslims. That and all the foreign aid, the refugees, the Muslims in America not changing their colour, the Muslims in the Middle East being trouble makers forcing American love of liberty to have to send its arsenal over there and blow the place up (to keep the peace)...

Well, no more now that the billionaire next door (and patriot, who got Daddy to find an excuse for him to not go to war) Trump is in charge. Well... the war must still go on in the Middle East - he'll just have a new and brilliant idea of getting the Muslims to pay for it, you know, something that's never been done, wasn't even thought of

NAFTA was designed under Bush the Elder, Billy Clinton put it into effect because the guy in the White House all do what they're told. It was not a free trade deal, simply permitting the transfer of labour and manufacturing from the US to cheaper, less regulated Mexican labour.

Those corporate OS earnings, I've read, are literally sitting in the corp's American bank account. It's not "overseas"... it's just registered to an overseas subsidiary. So giving them a tax break so they would bring it back to reinvest... that's a joke.

He meant United States First, America second.

Are you referring to PR not being part of the US? The people on that colony are American citizens. It's an American territory. The PR people pay taxes to the US, served in all its wars.

I guess that's why Trump is lending them money. Could be worst, he might not lend anything.

A not happy Trump said U.S. paid off Iran with 1.3 billion and flew 400 million directly to aid prisoner release. Tough Trumpy will not be appeasing the Iranians from now on by the sound of it.

That's false. The money was never the US's to be given back. Those money belong to the Iranian government under the US-backed Shah of Iran. When the Islamic revolution overthrew the Shah, the American didn't like their puppet being overthrown like that so they frozen all Iranian assets.

So the money being returned were Iranian. It's part of the nuclear deal.

The deal might be revoked and sanctions reimposed on Iran. Guess who benefit from that? Israel. They've always been urging American presidents to start a war with Iran - removing their only potential target that could actually fight back.

This might not go down well with the other parties to that agreement. The Chinese, Russians, Germans and Europe do actually want to trade and buy Iranian oil.


There's a recent interview with Ai Wei Wei - a Chinese artist and activist who don't like the comrades too much - he was saying that the Chinese leadership love Trump. Trump and his idiotic policies is ruining the only country that could put up a challenge to its ambition.

During the Spring and Autumn period in China, Lord Shang of Ch'i fought a battle against a competing state. He captured the prince leading the invading army but decided to let him go. Whereupon the prince thank him for remembering their childhood days of learning together from the same master...

No, I did not release you for childhood sentimentality. I release you back because you're an idiot and your father will make you crown prince one day. I like an idiot to rule over that kingdom for now.

 

[wayneL]

IFocus,

Its not the economic agenda bringing out the neo nazies, it's the sociocultural agenda.

 

[Tisme]

IFocus,

Its not the economic agenda bringing out the neo nazies, it's the sociocultural agenda.

Yesteryear we were implored to strive for meritorious excellence in achievement, now days we are being implored to hold ourselves back and park our ambition while we focus on making minorities feel good and reward them with discriminatory favourtism.

We are ripe for the picking by overseas enterprise looking for easy assets and easy profit, while we have our heads turned towards a false horizon.

 

[luutzu]

Yesteryear we were implored to strive for meritorious excellence in achievement, now days we are being implored to hold ourselves back and park our ambition while we focus on making minorities feel good and reward them with discriminatory favourtism.

We are ripe for the picking by overseas enterprise looking for easy assets and easy profit, while we have our heads turned towards a false horizon.

I guess we (White people) should follow Trump's advise and put ourselves first again.

 

[SirRumpole]

I guess we (White people) should follow Trump's advise and put ourselves first again.

Nah, just tell minorities that they are in the same boat with the rest of us and to start pulling their weight and stop whinging.

 

[luutzu]

Nah, just tell minorities that they are in the same boat with the rest of us and to start pulling their weight and stop whinging.

Unless the minority is in the economically top 1%, every other minority either pull their own weight or pull a few times as much just to stay alive. Why? Because no country or civilisation ever do much for the minorities - that's why they're still the minorities.

We somehow think that a country become rich because of its rich industrialists and financiers. You know, the Ford, Rockefeller, Gates, Musk, Bezos, Rhinehart, Packer... build great businesses that employ people and make (name of country) great.

That's mostly bs.

The small bit that prevent such fantasies from being total bs would be the named giants did some initial work and got a few lucky breaks. If the luck they strike is big enough, it leads on to fortunes through exploitation of the work forces, exploiting tax and government incentives; exploiting the influence that money can buy.

I've read enough business bio to know.

Heard that the Walton family [of Wal-Mart], will be receiving some $50B+ tax cuts from Trump's latest proposal. Trump gave his family an estimated $1.4B from that same law too... So much for whining and pulling their own weight.... and oh, all that while the law hike 20% tax increase on the lowest earning Americans [from 10% to 12%]

 

[Smurf1976]

Australian politics is in a very sad state and the same seems to apply elsewhere.

The Greens seem to have openly turned into what many long suspected. They're not keen on democracy it would seem. As for the environment well that's become a sideline at best.

Labor no longer represents the workers to any meaningful extent. They've moved further to the Right than the Liberals were a generation or two ago.

The Liberals represent not much at all so far as I can tell. A broad concept that says governments shouldn't actually govern seems to sum it up. Even big business isn't being looked after to the extent that they need some actual governing in the national interest.

Most Australians of voting age are either employees, small business owners or retired. None of those seem to be truly represented by anyone these days. It has become a case of voting for the least bad option rather than something that's actually good.

Oh for the days when we had politicians who at least stood for something and made an effort.

At the federal level Keating versus Hewson was the last time there was serious debate about matters of importance which captured the attention of the public.

At the state level Jim Bacon (Labor) gave it a pretty good shot here in Tas 1998 - 2004 (died unfortunately) and managed to get both the unions and business on the same page. Never thought I'd see that, the business lobby encouraging people to vote Labor, but Jim managed to inspire confidence and so it happened.

Since then I can't think of anyone in any state with any real vision beyond looking to cover their own blunders.

WA arguing about GST - they've got a point but ultimately it's just looking for a way out after spending like there's no tomorrow when the mining boom money was rolling in. They knew the formula, they knew that mining booms never last, and now they're looking for a way out.

SA and their big battery might be considered visionary and in a way it is. Truth is though that from an engineering perspective they're spending a fortune of taxpayer funds on batteries and diesel-fired generators to produce a total of 375MW of power and then at high cost and with high emissions from the diesels. Sounds maybe OK until you realised they scrapped a perfectly good, more efficient and far more economical 540MW power station just months before panicking and spending a fortune trying to keep the lights on. Another government spending big $ to cover its own blunders.

Sadly it's the same basic pattern elsewhere and so we see Brexit, Trump and so on as the masses seek a solution no matter how dubious and unlikely to work it may seem.

Keep this nonsense up long enough and I expect we'll see the rise of a far Right influence which in due course gains power. Think "like Hitler" sort of far Right and no matter what the details the outcome won't be good.

 

[moXJO]

Keep this nonsense up long enough and I expect we'll see the rise of a far Right influence which in due course gains power. Think "like Hitler" sort of far Right and no matter what the details the outcome won't be good.

Abbott's giving it a good crack.

 

[moXJO]

Nah, just tell minorities that they are in the same boat with the rest of us and to start pulling their weight and stop whinging.

You seen any minorities asking for more on these forums. They are generally used as political tools by those with an agenda. Even ssm was to try and circumvent labors push.
Minorities aren't the problem, the political class and all the lobbyists are.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Sadly it's the same basic pattern elsewhere and so we see Brexit, Trump and so on as the masses seek a solution no matter how dubious and unlikely to work it may seem.

You forgot to mention the $122 million for a survey of critical national imperative. On the world insanity streak, maybe the interconnectedness nowadays assists the spread of bad news and stupidity quickly and in more graphic detail. Like a chain reaction of varying intensities depending on the state of ones existence.

 

[SirRumpole]

You seen any minorities asking for more on these forums. They are generally used as political tools by those with an agenda. Even ssm was to try and circumvent labors push.
Minorities aren't the problem, the political class and all the lobbyists are.

Well we get people of a certain religion who fly the racist flag whenever someone points out that their beliefs are sexist and supressive of human rights and infer that we should respect that religion regardless of the fact that it itself opposes freedom of religion and keeps its followers chained with threats and intimidation.

 

[SirRumpole]

Keep this nonsense up long enough and I expect we'll see the rise of a far Right influence which in due course gains power. Think "like Hitler" sort of far Right and no matter what the details the outcome won't be good.

Their certainly needs to be a new centre type party that doesn't have prior mistakes to keep defending or old scores to settle but I don't see one out there I'm afraid.

 

[moXJO]

Well we get people of a certain religion who fly the racist flag whenever someone points out that their beliefs are sexist and supressive of human rights and infer that we should respect that religion regardless of the fact that it itself opposes freedom of religion and keeps its followers chained with threats and intimidation.

Well we get people of a certain religion who fly the racist flag whenever someone points out that their beliefs are sexist and supressive of human rights and infer that we should respect that religion regardless of the fact that it itself opposes freedom of religion and keeps its followers chained with threats and intimidation.

We get the odd one now and then. But who swoops in to direct the narrative?
Generally white feminists, white activists or politicians.
Religion is another thing again.