Western society is doomed

[Gringotts Bank]

Real news will be impossible to distinguish from fake news within 10 years, imo. The measures we use to make the distinction today will be gone. All medias will be online. When you switch on the TV, there will simply be no way to tell what's what or who's who. When there's no trusted news source (since everything online can be be hacked and manipulated), society may crumble. Just another way technology threatens to wipe out humanity. Sweet dreams everyone.

 

[bellenuit]

Russia Exposes British Lies on Skripal, but Trail Leads to US

Moscow says it has proof that the agent used in the UK attack is a chemical weapon patented in the US. So was this a covert operation aimed at ratcheting up tensions between the West and Russia?

M.K. BHADRAKUMAR

The sensational case of the poisoning of the ex-MI6 agent and former Russian military intelligence colonel Sergei Skripal on March 4 in Salisbury, in the UK, is becoming more and more curious. Under a blinding spotlight from Moscow, the British allegation regarding a Russian hand in the poisoning of Skripal is getting exposed. An engrossing plot in big-power politics is also unfolding. There is stuff here for a Le Carre novel.

Are we witnessing a replay of the false flag Gulf of Tonkin attack of August 1964, the imaginary “incident” concocted by the US military to provide legal and political justification for deploying American forces in South Vietnam and for commencing open warfare against North Vietnam?"

https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...-british-lies-skripal-but-trail-leads-us.html

Strategic Culture is very pro-russian and has connections to some Russian oligarch. When you go to their link, they also reference stuff from RT, a Putin controlled TV station.

I checked up on the allegations and there is nothing conclusive from what I can see.

According to the Swiss lab’s report, the chemical formula used in the Salisbury attack has been in service in the US, the UK and other NATO countries.

That link brings you to Tass, another Russian News agency. I cannot find the report from the Swiss lab, Spiez Laborotories, that supposedly corroborates the allegation made by the Russians.

It is interesting that they allude to the Tonkin incident to show how the US is willing to stage incidents to justify some of it actions. A much more recent event would be their own actions in the Ukraine that they used and are using to try and destabilise and eventually take over that country.

 

[luutzu]

Real news will be impossible to distinguish from fake news within 10 years, imo. The measures we use to make the distinction today will be gone. All medias will be online. When you switch on the TV, there will simply be no way to tell what's what or who's who. When there's no trusted news source (since everything online can be be hacked and manipulated), society may crumble. Just another way technology threatens to wipe out humanity. Sweet dreams everyone.

So it'll be like the old news?

 

[noirua]

Western Society is doomed. I could not care less because my time on this planet will be up well before then.

 

[explod]

Strategic Culture is very pro-russian and has connections to some Russian oligarch. When you go to their link, they also reference stuff from RT, a Putin controlled TV station.

I checked up on the allegations and there is nothing conclusive from what I can see.

According to the Swiss lab’s report, the chemical formula used in the Salisbury attack has been in service in the US, the UK and other NATO countries.

That link brings you to Tass, another Russian News agency. I cannot find the report from the Swiss lab, Spiez Laborotories, that supposedly corroborates the allegation made by the Russians.

It is interesting that they allude to the Tonkin incident to show how the US is willing to stage incidents to justify some of it actions. A much more recent event would be their own actions in the Ukraine that they used and are using to try and destabilise and eventually take over that country.

Most in the Ukraine favour Russia as an ally over the US who have their heads in to try and stop trade and gas flows to Europe:-

"There are also questions around America’s role in the Ukraine. After the country’s government made a trade policy u-turn, towards Russia rather than the west, Senator John McCain joined protesters in the capital. He said he was there “to support your just cause” and supported “a grassroots revolution”.

Later, a leaked phone conversation between the US Ambassador to Ukraine and the US Assistant Secretary of State hinted at extensive involvement. They spoke about the need to “midwife this thing” and said Arseniy Yatsenyuk was “the guy”, shortly before he became president.

The true extent to which America was actually involved in these cases may not be known for years."

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...tory-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections

 

[bellenuit]

Most in the Ukraine favour Russia as an ally over the US who have their heads in to try and stop trade and gas flows to Europe:-

"There are also questions around America’s role in the Ukraine. After the country’s government made a trade policy u-turn, towards Russia rather than the west, Senator John McCain joined protesters in the capital. He said he was there “to support your just cause” and supported “a grassroots revolution”.

Later, a leaked phone conversation between the US Ambassador to Ukraine and the US Assistant Secretary of State hinted at extensive involvement. They spoke about the need to “midwife this thing” and said Arseniy Yatsenyuk was “the guy”, shortly before he became president.

The true extent to which America was actually involved in these cases may not be known for years."

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...tory-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections

All I see there is behind the scenes work by the US to get a government elected who has Western interests at heart. Russia invaded, quite a difference.

If you think anything is going to come out of Russia, with pretty much all news agencies under Putin control and the opposition suppressed, that is in any way truthful then so be it. I am just surprised that you are willing to post Russian propaganda without doing any investigation of the source.

Salisbury attack: Russian TV's claims about poisoning

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43835774

 

[explod]

All I see there is behind the scenes work by the US to get a government elected who has Western interests at heart. Russia invaded, quite a difference.

If you think anything is going to come out of Russia, with pretty much all news agencies under Putin control and the opposition suppressed, that is in any way truthful then so be it. I am just surprised that you are willing to post Russian propaganda without doing any investigation of the source.

Salisbury attack: Russian TV's claims about poisoning

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43835774

So after the weapons of mass destruction affair you have faith in the western press.

And there is no doubt that the only time the US take note of anyone is when there's a quid in it for them.

 

[luutzu]

All I see there is behind the scenes work by the US to get a government elected who has Western interests at heart. Russia invaded, quite a difference.

If you think anything is going to come out of Russia, with pretty much all news agencies under Putin control and the opposition suppressed, that is in any way truthful then so be it. I am just surprised that you are willing to post Russian propaganda without doing any investigation of the source.

Salisbury attack: Russian TV's claims about poisoning

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43835774

Soooo... the US only "help" democracy along while Russia/Soviet invades?

Someone's been reading propaganda.

 

[luutzu]

This is worth a repeat.

 

[bellenuit]

So after the weapons of mass destruction affair you have faith in the western press.

The western press is not one homogenous entity. You get opinions from every angle and though it is difficult, one has to do one's best to establish what is true. I was aware long before the invasion of Iraq that there were issues with the weapons of mass destruction claim and I read about those issues from several western media outlets.

However, since Putin took control of all media and stifled the opposition in Russia, the Russian press (other than underground and banned sources) is one homogenous entity that proffers only one opinion, that of Putin and his henchmen.

And there is no doubt that the only time the US take note of anyone is when there's a quid in it for them.

The US is a far from perfect society but that comment is just vacuous.

 

[luutzu]

Most in the Ukraine favour Russia as an ally over the US who have their heads in to try and stop trade and gas flows to Europe:-

"There are also questions around America’s role in the Ukraine. After the country’s government made a trade policy u-turn, towards Russia rather than the west, Senator John McCain joined protesters in the capital. He said he was there “to support your just cause” and supported “a grassroots revolution”.

Later, a leaked phone conversation between the US Ambassador to Ukraine and the US Assistant Secretary of State hinted at extensive involvement. They spoke about the need to “midwife this thing” and said Arseniy Yatsenyuk was “the guy”, shortly before he became president.

The true extent to which America was actually involved in these cases may not be known for years."

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...tory-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections

Not sure why the US/West pushing for war with Russia.

They're no longer Communist. They've lost the Cold War. They agreed to hand back their half of Germany. They wanted to join and ally with the US/West... I mean, it weren't long ago when Bush Jr. met Putin and look into his eyes right? Didn't Obama also got on well with Putin in his first year or so?

All this push towards Moscow, literally.. What country with a proper military and nuclear power would permit another superpower parking its bases at their gates? Flipping former colonies and allies against them.

Why Russia when China looks to be a more serious threat to US global hegemony.

 

[luutzu]

The western press is not one homogenous entity. You get opinions from every angle and though it is difficult, one has to do one's best to establish what is true. I was aware long before the invasion of Iraq that there were issues with the weapons of mass destruction claim and I read about those issues from several western media outlets.

However, since Putin took control of all media and stifled the opposition in Russia, the Russian press (other than underground and banned sources) is one homogenous entity that proffers only one opinion, that of Putin and his henchmen.



The US is a far from perfect society but that comment is just vacuous.

The US intervene in other country's affairs out of kindness do they?

If so, they're the only country in the history of the world to do it. And that also mean their leadership are doubly generous towards foreigners seeing the polluted water in some 300 cities their citizens inhabits; cutting of public school funding, gutting of welfare or any sort of social safety net for the poor.

Might want to check out "Manufacturing Consent". A great doco on a series of studies by Ed Herman and Noam Chomsky.

Russian, Chinese and the likes of North Korea... their censure and propaganda are crude and obvious.

It's in "open societies" where the press is "free" that's where propaganda is at its finest.

I mean, how could there be propaganda when the press is free and people cant talk rubbish without being locked up. Right?

Easy... Those who does not matter (much) can talk all the crap they want. Those in "responsible" position better tow the line or else get a new job.

That and you let 6 multi-national corporations control some 90% of all the media. See who will carry the message and what gets distributed.

 

[wayneL]

My point exactly, we need not fear Islamism, China, Russia etc.

We need to fear our own.

Ding ding. Ringing any bells folks? Post modernism, cultural Marxism anyone?

 

[dutchie]

Conservatives unite!
Help save our western civilization.

 

[orr]

We need to fear our own.

It runs deep. The Machiavellian who put Tony Abbott in the driver seat for Ramsay bequest for the promotion of study Western Civilisation had no doubt that the donkey would drop the ball.
Who needs a conspiracy when you can rely on incompetents...
The Opium wars we had the odium wars we have...

 

[Tisme]

There are plenty of self loathing whitefella. How the Marxists engineered that, I'm not quite sure, but it was pretty clever.

Of course bas could very well be a brown skinned muslim on the LGBTI spectrum somewhere, but I've got him pegged as whitey with a cultural death wish.

It's true some people are into self loathing and like to share it around to validate their penchant for social vandalism.

They're the ones who pour a bucket over open conversations at parties, like a boy with two dicks, and convince themselves of a job well done, because nobody can be fagged engaging with bigots who hate the very community who took them and their parents in and gave them shelter from the ruins and moral turpitude of their motherlands.

They're as welcome a Hrundi V. Bakshi at a hollywood party IMV.

 

[luutzu]

It's true some people are into self loathing and like to share it around to validate their penchant for social vandalism.

They're the ones who pour a bucket over open conversations at parties, like a boy with two dicks, and convince themselves of a job well done, because nobody can be fagged engaging with bigots who hate the very community who took them and their parents in and gave them shelter from the ruins and moral turpitude of their motherlands.

They're as welcome a Hrundi V. Bakshi at a hollywood party IMV.

Maybe it's not self-loathing. More of a "not in my name" kind of protest. You know, telling people that if they want to rationalise the killing, butchering and warmongering on other people... First, stop doing that kind of crap; second, don't justify it; third, don't reckon that everybody must either be with them or is against them because nobody in their right mind would be with that kind of crimes - state sanctioned or otherwise.

As to those self-hating, ungrateful refos not knowing how good they're having it. Maybe they do know how good they're having it. Just that with great power comes great responsibility, as Uncle Ben would say.

Responsibility they modelled on those very few who stood up against war crimes, outraged at the indiscriminate killing of innocent people; and would risk going to prison to try and stop it.

Maybe those who were lucky know that it was not the warmongers, the state stooges, its propagandists and psychotic strategists that saved their lives. It was the volunteers, the peace activists, the learned and passionate citizens who see through the garbage and refused to sit silently as millions are slaughtered and starved to death because some idiots in high places have a plan or two.

 

[Tisme]

Maybe it's not self-loathing. More of a "not in my name" kind of protest. You know, telling people that if they want to rationalise the killing, butchering and warmongering on other people... First, stop doing that kind of crap; second, don't justify it; third, don't reckon that everybody must either be with them or is against them because nobody in their right mind would be with that kind of crimes - state sanctioned or otherwise.

As to those self-hating, ungrateful refos not knowing how good they're having it. Maybe they do know how good they're having it. Just that with great power comes great responsibility, as Uncle Ben would say.

Responsibility they modelled on those very few who stood up against war crimes, outraged at the indiscriminate killing of innocent people; and would risk going to prison to try and stop it.

Maybe those who were lucky know that it was not the warmongers, the state stooges, its propagandists and psychotic strategists that saved their lives. It was the volunteers, the peace activists, the learned and passionate citizens who see through the garbage and refused to sit silently as millions are slaughtered and starved to death because some idiots in high places have a plan or two.

I think you are going off track there, otherwise you are endorsing my concerns about "western society is doomed"?

I fail to see the heroics at white anting and betrayal of our society in favour of the slide down to communism, authoritarianism, communism. etc.

Selling out our uniquity for the bullsh1t age of Aquarius attitude of the neo-marxists, will continue to add to thought control laws and eventually we'll need a permit to express any opinion that runs counter to what the authorities deem acceptable.

 

[basilio]

Maybe it's not self-loathing. More of a "not in my name" kind of protest. You know, telling people that if they want to rationalise the killing, butchering and warmongering on other people... First, stop doing that kind of crap; second, don't justify it; third, don't reckon that everybody must either be with them or is against them because nobody in their right mind would be with that kind of crimes - state sanctioned or otherwise.

As to those self-hating, ungrateful refos not knowing how good they're having it. Maybe they do know how good they're having it. Just that with great power comes great responsibility, as Uncle Ben would say.

Responsibility they modelled on those very few who stood up against war crimes, outraged at the indiscriminate killing of innocent people; and would risk going to prison to try and stop it.

Maybe those who were lucky know that it was not the warmongers, the state stooges, its propagandists and psychotic strategists that saved their lives. It was the volunteers, the peace activists, the learned and passionate citizens who see through the garbage and refused to sit silently as millions are slaughtered and starved to death because some idiots in high places have a plan or two.

Worth saying again. Worth supporting in full.

I would have thought one of the key planks of Western Civilization was keeping a sense of justice, a sense of honour and a willingness to recognise evil, even when your own government is responsible, and call it out.

I would have also thought a functioning Western Civilization still had an independent judicial system that was strong enough and willing to act on such criminal actions.

 

[luutzu]

I think you are going off track there, otherwise you are endorsing my concerns about "western society is doomed"?

I fail to see the heroics at white anting and betrayal of our society in favour of the slide down to communism, authoritarianism, communism. etc.

Selling out our uniquity for the bullsh1t age of Aquarius attitude of the neo-marxists, will continue to add to thought control laws and eventually we'll need a permit to express any opinion that runs counter to what the authorities deem acceptable.

Something more concrete: cited from David Harvey's lectures.

US vs China's cement production.
- China made more cement since 2012 than the entire of all US since 1900.

DEBT: $70 Trillion US Dollars?