Western society is doomed

[IFocus]

IFocus,

Its not the economic agenda bringing out the neo nazies, it's the sociocultural agenda.

Sorry I am late here got some examples to debate?

 

[SirRumpole]

Sorry I am late here got some examples to debate?

Immigration, Hanson, "no more Muslims" .

 

[Tisme]

It's a worldwide phenomenon :
http://kingideas.co/2017/03/rape-victim-forced-to-parent-with-rapist/

In the United States, there are many state laws that force mothers to share their children who were conceived as a result of being raped.

One such case is 18-year-old Noemi, whose home state of Nebraska has a law that forces her to let the rapist who fathered her baby daughter share custody with the child, reports CNN.


“I can’t tell what he will do to my daughter,” Noemi said. She is afraid that her baby will “get hurt or something bad will happen to her” while in custody of the man who attacked her.

“Now, I have to text my rapist or email my rapist,” she said. “To leave my daughter with someone I didn’t trust. I’m forced to parent with him and to see him on a weekly basis …”

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, there are an estimated 17,000 to 32,000 rape-related pregnancies in the United States each year.

Noemi’s rapist was charged with first-degree sexual assault, but successfully pleaded to a lesser charge of third-degree sexual assault.

Had he been convicted of sexual assault in the first degree, he would have no parental rights under Nebraska law. But since he was convicted of third-degree assault instead, he was granted parental rights.

As a result, he won unsupervised visits with his daughter for a few hours every other weekend, along with two Tuesdays each month. And there’s nothing Noemi can do about it.

This legal situation also benefits the rapist in other ways, notes Salon, citing a real-life example. In that case, the rapist bribed the mother by dropping his demand for visitation rights on the condition that she agree to waive his obligation to pay child support.

There are mothers in Noemi’s situation all over the country, because fewer than half the states have laws that allow the termination of parental rights to rapists without a conviction.

According to experts, most of these state laws were written at a time when there was a strong social bias against unmarried mothers and the laws, therefore, did not grant parental rights for children who were born to unmarried women.

As for Noemi, she says is determined to fight. She plans to take her case to the Nebraska legislature, which is considering changing the law so that it protects her and the thousands of other mothers who are currently compelled to share their children with rapists.

 

[notting]

Whilst China has been distracting you with it's Noth Korean outpost lieutenant - Kim Jong Un making lots of noise, China was muscle-flexing in Doklam Plateau in western Bhutan which is yet another "manifestation” of the vicious communist dictatorships 100 year plan to take over the world, a policy formulated in 1955 which includes it's decades-old strategy of "encircling” India, Lobsang Sangay, head of Tibetan Government-in-Exile, said.

Sangay told DH that what had happened at Doklam along China-Bhutan border this year had earlier happened with Tibet in 1959.

He was obviously referring to Chinese People's Liberation Army's invasion and continuing brutal occupation of Tibet.

"In early 1950s, the then Chairman of People’s Republic of China termed Tibet as China’s right hand palm whereas Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Arunachal Pradesh are its five fingers. Therefore, China’s flexing of its military muscle is a manifestation of its decades old strategy to encircle and weaken India,” said the Sikyong of the Tibetan Government-in-Exile.

The Indian Army and the Chinese People's Liberation Army recently had a 72-day-long face-off at Doklam Plateay near India-China-Bhutan tri-junction boundary point.

The face-off started on June 16 when the Chinese PLA personnel started constructing a road on Doklam Plateau along the disputed China-Bhutan border, brushing aside the protests by Royal Bhutanese Army soldiers posted nearby. Indian Army intervened on June 18 and sent soldiers to stop the Chinese PLA personnel from constructing the road. This led to the face-off that finally ended on August 28.

Though the military face-off between the two neighbors at Doklam Plateau ended, the reports indicated fresh build-up by Chinese People's Liberation Army near India-China-Bhutan tri-junction boundary point.

"The Doklam situation is consistent with a troubling pattern of Chinese policy of trying to alter the basic facts on the ground,” said Sangay, a second generation refugee from Tibet, who in April 2011 elected to the top office of the Central Tibetan Administration or the Tibetan government-in-exile based at Dharamshala in Himachal Pradesh. He was elected for a second term last year.

"China’s nationalistic design is increasingly becoming apparent; with the South China Sea, East China Sea, Scarborough Island and, increasing border incursions across the MacMahon line and now at Doklam,” he told DH in an interview.

 

[IFocus]

Immigration, Hanson, "no more Muslims" .

Immigration / Muslims is always a discussion and some.

Australia depends on immigration for many reasons a lot being of being of a high complexity and conflicting aims.

Who do we allow in.........Muslims?

Certainly issues around radicalisation and integration of followers of the Sunni Sect.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Ideologies, dress, culture, religious law are worlds apart. Middle East is more aligned.

 

[SirRumpole]

Australia depends on immigration for many reasons a lot being of being of a high complexity and conflicting aims.

We used to depend on immigration to supply people to work on the farms, in the factories and in the mines, but with increasing automation and technology we don't need them any more and a lot will end up unemployed.

Low wages growth indicates an over supply of labour, the solution to that should be obvious.

 

[Tisme]

We used to depend on immigration to supply people to work on the farms, in the factories and in the mines, but with increasing automation and technology we don't need them any more and a lot will end up unemployed.

Low wages growth indicates an over supply of labour, the solution to that should be obvious.

It indicates poor governance in balancing the three basic factors of production Labour, Land and Capital.

The failure rate of delivering infrastructure, the success in closing factories, the cash debt of $500bn, etc points to a govt more interested in rule than national build.

When the economy started tanking the USA prime pumped just like us. The USA increased its industry and we reduced ours. The USA has a shortage of mobile skilled labour, we don't need much skilled labour because we don't have any real scale industry.

 

[SirRumpole]

When the economy started tanking the USA prime pumped just like us. The USA increased its industry and we reduced ours. The USA has a shortage of mobile skilled labour, we don't need much skilled labour because we don't have any real scale industry.

It's difficult to see where we will be going without a genuine manufacturing capability. A service economy probably with most of the jobs going to child/old age/ disability support and selling imported goods.

There isn't much point in people getting university qualifications in science or engineering unless they intend to live and work overseas, and we therefore lose the tax revenue that we invested in their education.

 

[Tisme]

It's difficult to see where we will be going without a genuine manufacturing capability. A service economy probably with most of the jobs going to child/old age/ disability support and selling imported goods.

There isn't much point in people getting university qualifications in science or engineering unless they intend to live and work overseas, and we therefore lose the tax revenue that we invested in their education.

A vast amount of "engineers" find themselves behind a desk regurgitating company and association specifications and drafting. They are basically doing half of certIII occupation, never even getting to put their hand to anything..... they tend to turn into schoolgirl pedants because of the sheltered workshops they call workplace.

Science degrees might get you a job in high school teaching, but without govt departments the pond is very small.

 

[SirRumpole]

Science degrees might get you a job in high school teaching, but without govt departments the pond is very small.

Lets hope our new Space Agency sucks up some science and engineering graduates.

 

[Tisme]

https://theconversation.com/the-con...te-in-university-humanities-departments-87750

A number of NSW and ACT universities are vying for the opportunity to access funding from the Ramsay Centre for Western Civilisation, which aims to “revive” liberal arts and the humanities in university education in Australia.



John Howard: launched the Ramsay Centre on Monday. Dean Lewins/AAP
The centre, launched on Monday by former prime minister John Howard, has the support of former Labor leader Kim Beazley, and former prime minister Tony Abbott. The centre defines “western civilisation” through classical studies, including ancient Greek and Rome, the European renaissance and enlightenment, modernism, and Christian thought and philosophy. It seeks to put European cultural production at its heart.

 

[SirRumpole]

https://theconversation.com/the-con...te-in-university-humanities-departments-87750

I suppose it's better than having a branch office of the propaganda department of another country funding our unis.

http://sydney.edu.au/confucius_institute/

 

[wayneL]

 

[basilio]

That was a very thought provoking clip from Jordan Peterson. I think the concept of a "Noble Story" as a basis for society makes some sense. I suppose I wonder what that noble story was in the past, ( was it in fact that noble ?) and what type of story could be constructed and effectively sold in the present society.

 

[luutzu]

Na. Churchill was wrong there. And he ought to know better having been at the head of an imperial power in decline.

The decline and fall of Western civilisations, as with any civilisation, will not be due to the lack of a good story to tell. But will be due to imperial hubris. Military over-reach. Way too many useless foreign adventures.

 

[basilio]

Na. Churchill was wrong there. And he ought to know better having been at the head of an imperial power in decline.

The decline and fall of Western civilisations, as with any civilisation, will not be due to the lack of a good story to tell. But will be due to imperial hubris. Military over-reach. Way too many useless foreign adventures.

That's a bit brutal Luutzu!! But on reflection makes sense.
I still think that a good cohesive worthwhile narrative in a society can be valuable in terms of a unifying force. Having said that I struggle to see what that could be today.

If I had to offer one theme it would be Renewal of the Earth. Practically speaking there is zero chance we can survive as a structured society on this planet if we continue to overuse our resources and effectively destroy the infrastructure that supports all life. Maybe that is the "cause" ?

 

[luutzu]

That's a bit brutal Luutzu!! But on reflection makes sense.
I still think that a good cohesive worthwhile narrative in a society can be valuable in terms of a unifying force. Having said that I struggle to see what that could be today.

If I had to offer one theme it would be Renewal of the Earth. Practically speaking there is zero chance we can survive as a structured society on this planet if we continue to overuse our resources and effectively destroy the infrastructure that supports all life. Maybe that is the "cause" ?

Oh. I actually agree with you. I also think that a "Noble Story" is important for society, passing on from one generation to another heroic deeds and all that.

But such stories can be fictional. And they often are. So if there's no noble deeds to tell, people will just make them up. No end of civilisation there.

I guess Churchill might have meant an "honest" story. But na, any story is an honest one if it's accepted by the authority and written down in the history books.

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Maybe the story we can tell our kids today could be, I don't know... to quote JFK's... we all breathe the same air; all cherished our children's future... we are all mortal.

Seems the world today... or as policies and poverty are driving at it... doesn't really want that sense of unity, brotherhood of man and all that. I mean, heck, JFK is apparently a psycho warmonger like the best of them... and he's seen as a liberal and kind leader... Mainly from those fine speeches he gave.

Then there's Obama and his "no black america, no white america... just one America..." No red, no blue, just all awesome; brother's keepers and all that bs.

The people want to believe it, want to see equality, equal opportunity and such. Hence they voted for him. But then get properly disappointed.

Then there's Trump... going around the world using his presidential authority to personally pressed other countries to buy American arms, waging wars on everything and everyone but wealth and the rich.

Bragging about bombing Syria, quoted by his UN envoy as America is "lock and loaded"... Jesus Christ.

What was I saying? Long day.

 

[explod]

Maybe the story we can tell our kids today could be, I don't know... to quote JFK...

Then there's Trump... going around the world using his presidential authority to personally pressed other countries to buy American arms, waging wars on everything and everyone but wealth and the rich.

Bragging about bombing Syria, quoted by his UN envoy as America is "lock and loaded"... Jesus Christ.

What was I saying? Long day.

Russia Exposes British Lies on Skripal, but Trail Leads to US

Moscow says it has proof that the agent used in the UK attack is a chemical weapon patented in the US. So was this a covert operation aimed at ratcheting up tensions between the West and Russia?

M.K. BHADRAKUMAR

The sensational case of the poisoning of the ex-MI6 agent and former Russian military intelligence colonel Sergei Skripal on March 4 in Salisbury, in the UK, is becoming more and more curious. Under a blinding spotlight from Moscow, the British allegation regarding a Russian hand in the poisoning of Skripal is getting exposed. An engrossing plot in big-power politics is also unfolding. There is stuff here for a Le Carre novel.

Are we witnessing a replay of the false flag Gulf of Tonkin attack of August 1964, the imaginary “incident” concocted by the US military to provide legal and political justification for deploying American forces in South Vietnam and for commencing open warfare against North Vietnam?"

https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...-british-lies-skripal-but-trail-leads-us.html

 

[CanOz]

No one trusts either side now...