Western athletes boycott the Beijing Olympics?

[juw177]

Thats quite sad 2020hindsight.

The thing is, the majority of the people will listen to that CNN guy and think nothing of it. That is why western propaganda is so effective, the population is less likely to apply judgment to the media. Where as in China it is common knowledge that their media is used for propaganda.

 

[disarray]

That is why western propaganda is so effective, the population is less likely to apply judgment to the media.

wrong, we routinely savage our media. media watch, chasers etc. and stop generalising about how everyone just watches CNN and forms their opinions based on whatever garbage they present us with. how about i generalise that all chinese are mindless puppets who do whatever the central government tells them to do. accurate yes?

 

[juw177]

how about i generalise that all chinese are mindless puppets who do whatever the central government tells them to do. accurate yes?

Um hello? That is already a given in our media: Chinese are mindless puppets and Tibetans stand up to the government and fight for freedom.

I disagree with "salvaging media". Current affairs is an easy target by the Chaser. Mediawatch yes, but who watches it late a night? If only there was more of that. But given the state of media ownership I doubt it.

And it is not what is reported, it is what goes unreported. But that is another debate.

 

[robert toms]

A salutary lesson in media manipulation or propaganda was when the WMD inculcation was taking place.
Not one journalist came out and said this sound like a heap of BS to me.
Murdoch journalists and news outlets all followed their script perfectly.
When Andrew Wilkie came said that the information was not credible,the media tried to vilify him,attacked his character in order to remove what credibility he had.
Polls showed that 95% of Americans believed that Saddam had WMDs.
I wonder where they gained that impression?
The only paper that I could get a letter to the editor with a counter view to the WMD belief was in Norway.
The only newspaper that I buy is the Weekend Australian on a Saturday...only for the financial section and TV programmes.
But I see in that paper that Greg "Rabbi" Sheridan is trying to encourage a war with Iran.How long before this call spreads.....depends on the Pentagon I suppose
Some beast our media...not to be taken too seriously!

 

[2020hindsight]

1. The only paper that I could get a letter to the editor with a counter view to the WMD belief was in Norway.
...
2. Some beast our media...not to be taken too seriously!

1. well done - can you speak Norwegian?

2. WDM indeed - another absolute classic case of an out-of-control media and a totally gullible public would have to be the Lindy Chamberlain case (imo)

 

[disarray]

Um hello? That is already a given in our media: Chinese are mindless puppets and Tibetans stand up to the government and fight for freedom.

rubbish. you're generalising again. and it's "our" media now is it? do you identify as an australian? a chinese? a chinese australian? an australian chinese? nice to be flexible and have a choice in bias depending on the argument.

I disagree with "salvaging media". Current affairs is an easy target by the Chaser. Mediawatch yes, but who watches it late a night? If only there was more of that. But given the state of media ownership I doubt it.

And it is not what is reported, it is what goes unreported. But that is another debate.

for everything else, there's internet.

and robert, there were plenty of people who didn't believe the WMD story and were quite vocal about it. the fact is however that iraq DID have WMD's and had been recorded using them so its not a difficult stretch. sure we all know it was ultimately about oil but saddam was an asshole and he did have WMD's so it was easy for the media to run off with their assumptions (as they tend to do).

 

[Superfly]

Polls showed that 95% of Americans believed that Saddam had WMDs.
I wonder where they gained that impression?

Saddam had WMD and used them.. do you disagree with tha R Toms 20/20.. Saddam had 11 years (that the US gave him)to come clean and messed around the UN weapons inspectors for 11 years.. do you disagree with that R Toms 20/20... the only way to ever be sure that WMD were no more is when a marine has walked over that ground... Saddam even had 48 hrs to leave office and avoid an invasion but did not..[/quote]

But I see in that paper that Greg "Rabbi" Sheridan is trying to encourage a war with Iran.How long before this call spreads.....depends on the Pentagon I suppose

So you think that it's ok for Iran to get the bomb...

 

[2020hindsight]

the only way to ever be sure that WMD were no more is when a marine has walked over that ground... ...

so if the WDM were under the ground that the marines walked on
would that mean he also had submarines ?

 

[Superfly]

We should remember that a vote or demonstration for "Free Tibet" as against "meaningful autonomy within China" is making it more difficult for the Dalai Lama to get his message across.

The D Lama doesn't want to get all his people shot... which is a real possibility when a country is in the hands of the Chinese communist party.

 

[2020hindsight]

The D Lama doesn't want to get all his people shot... which is a real possibility when a country is in the hands of the Chinese communist party.

he also wants the development that being a part of China brings.
he is prepared to offend "Free Tibet" agitators / friends on the matter.

listen to that youtube - he says so in as many words.

but he is committed to the "middle road".
as posted a few posts back..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_362fG7xtao

PS he had threatened to resign if the violent demonstrations (including monks and students) continue

 

[Superfly]

he also wants the development that being a part of China brings.
he is prepared to offend "Free Tibet" agitators / friends on the matter.

listen to that youtube - he says so in as many words.

but he is committed to the "middle road".
as posted a few posts back..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_362fG7xtao

PS he had threatened to resign if the violent demonstrations (including monks and students) continue

D Lama doesn't have much choice when stareing down the gun barrel of the Chinese communist party...

But the IOC did have a choice ... and now so do the athletes...

 

[2020hindsight]

But the IOC did have a choice ... and now so do the athletes...

and as I said before, if you were an athlete, then you could boycott it by all means

 

[Superfly]

and as I said before, if you were an athlete, then you could boycott it by all means

... there are many other world meets, the Olympics is not the only world meet were athletes can show their stuff...

and who pays for the Austalian Institute of Sport were most of the athletes learn their skills and train... we do have the right by way of a government boycott to not send our athletes to perform in a country run by a murderous regime....

 

[2020hindsight]

... there are many other world meets, the Olympics is not the only world meet were athletes can show their stuff...

and who pays for the Austalian Institute of Sport were most of the athletes learn their skills and train... we do have the right by way of a government boycott to not send our athletes to perform in a country run by a murderous regime....

so now you're gonna tell the athletes that you paid 0.00001% of their training , so therefore they should listen to you and boycott the games ?

 

[Superfly]

so if the WDM were under the ground that the marines walked on
would that mean he also had submarines ?

..yeh great answer 20/20.( not that your avoiding an answering the previous)..

 

[juw177]

..yeh great answer 20/20.( not that your avoiding an answering the previous)..

Funny coming from someone who closes his eyes when given facts that are anti neo con.

 

[STRAT]

It is quite sad that the majority of people in Western countries with their biased media are so ignorant about what is going on in China. Ok, so the Tianaman Square incident happened about 20 years ago. What are the other ones on your list? And what media silence are you talking about? Tibet has been blown out of proportion in western news everyday for the past week.

I bet you also think that Chinese secret communist police kills unborn babies if a mother has already got one child. It is no wonder that the average Westerner see China as a backward nation.

Every little thing that can make Asia look bad is blown out of proportion. The toy recall incident comes to mind, and that wasn't even the Chinese's fault, it was Fisher Price trying to cut their costs.

What of USA use of torture and Australia's handling of refugees? How many innocent people were killed as a result of the US invasion of Iraq? Do we boycott the USA too? And what about the many more that die in Africa everyday due to western sponsored civil wars?

Dalai Lama only gets all the western media coverage because he is a hollywood celebrity in Asia spreading western influences. According to wikipedia:


So if you look outside American news outlets on coverage of what is happening right now in Tibet you will find the other side of the story. Can you see why it is in their interest to distort the events happening in Tibet?

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={0F294006-A5BB-4350-9A8A-07905A885CD2})&language=EN
http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20080317-cnn-accused-propaganda-tibet-riots

Well said and good luck changing the minds of people who believe what their TV tells them to believe. You are gonna need it

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I must admit to liking Chinese people.

In my dealings with them I've found them to be caring people with a sense of humour. They are also inveterate punters with a gamblers sense of acceptance pragmatism and karma.

Their history has been tumultous and less than a hundred years ago many were addicts to opium as a result of European imperialist greed.

We would be crazy to boycott the Olympics. We export so much ore and coal that pissing these people off would be more to our disadvantage than theirs.

The leftie push to fix the world all at once is ill advised, especiallly when it comes to China.

gg

 

[2020hindsight]

We would be crazy to boycott the Olympics. We export so much ore and coal that pissing these people off would be more to our disadvantage than theirs.

The leftie push to fix the world all at once is ill advised, especiallly when it comes to China.

agreed gg
but you're gonna have to convince our leftie mate superfly to that effect

 

[robert toms]

Superfly reminds me of myself when I was about sixteen .

I wish I knew where he bought his tuning fork from?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.