Western athletes boycott the Beijing Olympics?

[Aussie2Aussie]

Aussie why do you have to sound so bitter all the time? The eye witness links you found on google dont have anything that suggests foul play by China. And I never said there was a boycott of the Sydney games. Do you comprehend that Aboriginal rights was a big agenda worldwide as well as domestic? There were protests about how Aborigine culture was exploited to sell the games when in fact the culture was repressed a long time ago. Unless you have good information to post, just chill out ok?

1. At post #57 you said ‘how ironic Aussie2Aussie that you made a thread that you think Aboriginals shouldn't be compensated for our government mistreating them... that was the very human rights issue that the Europeans were talking of boycotting the Sydney Olympics for.’ you then in support of your argument posted some blog from a guy in Chattanooga - do me a favour and don’t treat the people here as idiots that cant read.

2. I am not going to discuss the issue of aboriginals; you introduced it and was irrelevant then as its now.

3. Your sad attempt to tie in Chinas economic expansion to me profiting from such an event was pathetic and insulting, just as is the link of this discussion to aboriginals and Australias human rights record; moreover, the trawling of this site to find anything on others in order to detract.

4. My information has been more accurate than anything your ill-informed and biased contribution has made, with particular note of the great European boycott discussion.

 

[juw177]

Hey now, no need to be all edgy here. Alright then I concede. A gold medal for you Aussie2Aussie for winning the special Olympics.

no wait... sorry, what you said is not relevant to this topic and I stand by my points unless proven wrong, which you have not done. (Calling me communist does not count as proof.)

 

[Superfly]

Hey now, no need to be all edgy here. Alright then I concede. A gold medal for you Aussie2Aussie for winning the special Olympics.

no wait... sorry, what you said is not relevant to this topic and I stand by my points unless proven wrong, which you have not done. (Calling me communist does not count as proof.)

No but by your posts you at least support the communist position on currents events... right..

Just now have two mainland Chinese on my crew, have worked with one of these guys on and off for 5 years and he spent 3 months a year in Tibet from 96-03 doing seicmic work and saw a lot, have asked both of them on their take of Tibet etc... and dam I forgot to get them to translate the pictures of the girls about to be shot by brave chinese soldiers, but will shortly. Anyway to them the Chinese have been taught all their lives that Tibet has always been part of China, they both go off about how bad the D Larma is, say that China needs Tibet for the water from the mountains and will never let it go, that Tibetens get special treatment, like if they kill someone they will only get 5 years jail, where as in the rest of China you will be shot, and now the Tibetens think they are really special and can do what they want. Also they say that there is only about 60 million members of the communist party in China and it's very hard to join, you have to be invited and the benefits are huge once in.
In fact most of their attiude is very much the same attiude as Juw has been pushing. Interesting though that both these guys are doing everything possible to get out of China and live in the west, pref Australia. Their reason is that China is sh*t because of the government, but I said to them that you both just spent 30 minutes defending that governments actions in Tibet, no no no thats different they say... got that blank chinese look when I said "not for the people in Tibet it isn't...

 

[Superfly]

Ok... got the translation of the pictures..

On the truck is " group or collection of murder's"

On the woman its "murder " top line and her "name" underneath.

 

[Superfly]

It is quite funny when I do a search of posts from the people putting me down:

me... or the group of you posting as your writing style has changed through this thread...

disarray agrees with capital punishment

So do I... but not with a court system like China / Northe Korea etc..

Aussie2Aussie thinks indigenous people have too much benefits in Australia: "My Great, Great Uncle was stolen, can I have $50,000 for the emotional trauma that this caused me."

Juw, you want to coment on posts, then do it on the same thread... is this the only way that you can sustain your support of the communist Chinese government..

Superfly (world war 3 thread) believes Iran is developing nuclear bombs even though US intelligence say otherwise (hint: Bush ignores US intelligence). Thinks Iran should be liberated amongst other pro US right wing comments.
"The US could probably decimate mainland China with its submarine fleet alone.."

Again, do not take things out of context, like you being shot in a ditch for non performance, that has to be read in the context of the previous post in that thread, not isolated like you are doing here... that's what the media that you complain about so much does all the time, like in Iraq etc, only show what they what you to see... you are trying to demonise posters here by being underhanded...

Of course for the other side, Chinese nationalism is not without a few blindspots either.

Chinese nationlism is not Chinese communism... the communists have only been able to claim mainland China for 50 years... a few blindspots... is that what you call Tiananmen square etc... a blind spot...

Also I couldnt find any proof of the organ harvesting. Just allegations according to wiki.

Really... what do you think that the communist government is going to allow reporting of this....[/QUOTE]

 

[Superfly]

Fact remains (back to thread, and getting off the personal namecalling - whether or not it lowers the tone of the ASF - which I would have thought was obvious, but moving on)

so does a lot of your dribble on posts, like the meaning of "boycott" etc...

Fact remains that the Dalai Lama doesn't want to boycott the games.

The D Lama doesn't want to get lots of his people shot.
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Our sportsmen and women don't either
Are they going for the pay day or the medal...who knows.. not me and not you only the athlete themselves...

or if they do, it'll only be a few - and it will be THEIR CALL.

some are in their teens, hard to make informed deicisons about such large issues, but some that may not go will be able to look back proudly at the stand they made.

I doubt they will be guided by you superfly.
Perhaps get yourself on the team - and then you will have the privelege of personally boycotting it, even if you're the only one.

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There will be another Olympics.. in London 4 years... maybe the IOC can be given a lesson by the althletes that giving the world stage to one party muderous state is wrong and they will not be a part of it. 13000 poor people a month are being made homeless on the cold streets of Beijing to make way for Olympic buildings... The athletes have many world meets etc that they can compete and get their sponsor money etc the Olympics is not the only meet... hope the athletes that go can lose their Chinese minders and go for a long walk away from the made up Olympic world and see the real Beijing that has had to make way for the look good event of the century for the communist party.

 

[juw177]

Superfly, you don't give up your prejudices easily I can see. Not that your Chinese colleagues are that objective but at least they are more cluey about this than you are.

And this along with your other fallacious world views, you really are full of it. You obviously turn a blind eye on human rights when a western country does it to another country. You work for the CIA?

Hiroshima and the generations after it

Have you any idea what a land invasion of mainland Japan would have cost in American / Australian / English lives... most estimates 200000 to 1+million... the bomb saved countless brave men & women

Middle east is nothing

When you are fighting an enemy that kills their own women and children, makes videos of cutting westerners heads off with knives.. what we do is nothing.

Hey, Iran does not have any weapon programs, it's proven fact.

So you think that the mad mullahs in Iran should be allowed to become nuclear... words will not stop them.... ..Iran works away to achieve it's goal... while some look & hope for a more humane & rational way of thinking to deal with the problem... but how do you deal with an unrational government...

The US could probably decimate mainland China with its submarine fleet alone.. destorying most needed infustructure, resulting in millions of straving Chinese.. and even with conventional weapons it may just take a while longer.

If this is deemed not relevant, than I am sorry. But I am only trying to understand his views and why he started this thread and pushed so hard to put down China.

 

[Superfly]

Superfly, you don't give up your prejudices easily I can see. Not that your Chinese colleagues are that objective but at least they are more cluey about this than you are.

And this along with your other fallacious world views, you really are full of it. You obviously turn a blind eye on human rights when a western country does it to another country. You work for the CIA?

Hiroshima and the generations after it


Middle east is nothing


Hey, Iran does not have any weapon programs, it's proven fact.




If this is deemed not relevant, than I am sorry. But I am only trying to understand his views and why he started this thread and pushed so hard to put down China.

Comrade Juw..

This is the Olympic thread... discuss the above on the WW111 thread, where all above were posted... and when there, keep things in context... this is not a communist party meeting comrade Juw....

 

[Superfly]

Have great respect for President Bush, but really hope that he decides to do a no show at the Olympic opening... and there are calls from the at least one DEM for the President not to go.... set the standard and the althletes may think twice...

 

[Joe Blow]

Comrade Juw..

This is the Olympic thread... discuss the above on the WW111 thread, where all above were posted... and when there, keep things in context... this is not a communist party meeting comrade Juw....

Hey Superfly, how about you drop the comrade thing now and stick to the issues? It's getting a bit old mate.

Play the ball, not the man.

 

[Superfly]

Hey Superfly, how about you drop the comrade thing now and stick to the issues? It's getting a bit old mate.

Play the ball, not the man.

Shall do JB ...

 

[metric]

Did China Stage Tibetan "Attack" On Wheelchair-Bound Woman?
Image shows culprit marching with Chinese flag-waving friends prior to incident

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, April 14, 2008
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China has been caught using provocateurs to stage violence and blame it on Tibetan protesters after an image of the man who attacked a wheelchair-bound Olympic torch bearer in Paris was uncovered showing him marching alongside friends carrying the red flag of Communist China.

The exposé is just the latest embarrassment for the Chinese government, who have been blamed for infiltrating protests and turning them violent in order to demonize Tibetans on several occasions already.

to view full article and photos, go to link... http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/041408_staged_attack.htm

 

[juw177]

Metric, use your head, why would China sabotage their own olympic games leading up to the event? Looks like their plan is working isn't it?

I find the following a lot more believable:

US government behind torch violence... makes you think just who are those people so passionately disrupting the torch relay:
http://www.workers.org/2008/world/anti-china_olympics_0403/

 

[Aussie2Aussie]

Did China Stage Tibetan "Attack" On Wheelchair-Bound Woman?
Image shows culprit marching with Chinese flag-waving friends prior to incident



to view full article and photos, go to link... http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/041408_staged_attack.htm

Re the PLA soldiers dressing as monks - same thing was done in Burma by the army. The monks knew about it and all monks were encouraged to look out for "white heads", known as such because anyone who had just shaved their head would be a standout and treated with suspicion.

 

[juw177]

The cliche image of the peaceful monk that sets themselves on fire is crucial to the marketing of these questionable freedom movements by the west.

The truth is monks like the Tibetans have a history of violence. But when the stereotype is threatened, they need a convenient justification for it, so lets just call those murderers and vandals government officials in disguise!

Propaganda is alive and well in the west and people like A2A happily lap it up.

 

[Aussie2Aussie]

The cliche image of the peaceful monk that sets themselves on fire is crucial to the marketing of these questionable freedom movements by the west.

The truth is monks like the Tibetans have a history of violence. But when the stereotype is threatened, they need a convenient justification for it, so lets just call those murderers and vandals government officials in disguise!

Propaganda is alive and well in the west and people like A2A happily lap it up.

juw, actually nobody (including myself) claimed that in Burma, the army participated in violence when they were dressed as monks. The army dressed as monks in order to spy on the marchers activities.

Get a grip juw, or up the meds!

 

[2020hindsight]

We should remember that a vote or demonstration for "Free Tibet" as against "meaningful autonomy within China" is making it more difficult for the Dalai Lama to get his message across.

HH the Dalai Lama on Middle Way approach. -

I'm against independence, against separation, against Free Tibet.
FOR meaningful autonomy. modernisation, development.
Of course FOR preserving Tibetan identity, culture, Buddhist religion.

With this belief I have drawn some criticisms - not only Tibetans, but also some of our international friends. - but I'm fully committed to the Middle Road

 

[2020hindsight]

- West Papua documentary (Part 1) - never screened outside UK

for interest, another culture being erased. (Report by Evan Williams)
Closer to home and all.

The press cannot film openly etc
Repression of the locals
Indons subsidised to settle there and break up the local culture
Students who demonstrate go missing in crackdowns.
In short, sounds a bit like Tibet really.

And Australia ever played a part in their history / predicament

THE AUSTRALIAN AND INDONESIAN GOVERNMENTS DO NOT WANT YOU TO SEE THIS DOCUMENTARY

This is part 1 of an excellent and rare TV documentary about West Papua. A year on from its original UK screening it still has not been broadcast in any other country.

In 2006 reporter Evan Williams gained access, on a tourist visa, to West Papua - a country to which journalists and foreign observers are flatly refused entry by the Indonesian government. After three weeks dodging Indonesian officials and police to gather interviews and information, he filed this report for Channel 4's "Unreported World" series.

Part 1 (9'28"):

• We meet a group of tribal elders, some of whom have travelled for days, who congregate especially to tell the world media about widespread incidents of Indonesian killing and brutality in their native villages.

• The pretext for Evan Williams' visit to West Papua is the Wamena Festival, at which the local governor's speech proclaims Indonesia as "the ultimate in diversity". But for the locals, overrun by Indonesian oppression and largely outnumbered by subsidised Indonesian immigrants, is it diversity or occupation?

• Williams meets a man whose parents and friends were killed by the Indonesians and who has been fleeing the army, hiding out, for five years. He is led to a village in which the locals are mourning the deaths of relatives killed or missing since the March 2006 protests.

Channel 4
Original broadcast - October 20 2006

 

[2020hindsight]

Millions of oppressed out there, not just Tibet .. how about India...?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=unreported+world&search_type=

:topic Unreported world...
68 youtubes, mountains of atrocities going on out there
here's just one example ... India's Dalits

This youtube starts off with murder of a family when the father takes uppercaste neighbours to court ...

moves on to treatment of kids, who go to school - not permitted to use the toilets - one asks can he use toilets, he's locked in cubicle for 6 hours - teachers refuse to answer questions, humiliates him as a "smelly rat-eater" - By the time they are 7, 70% have left. Most children are malnourished - almost none can read. Forced to catch and eat rats - no income etc ..

As India emerges onto the world stage it will face international scrutiny and pressure on the Dalits - a situation its own PM describes as a blot on humanity... etc

Unreported world india - "the broken people" part 3/3

 

[2020hindsight]

I reckon CNN might find themselves on the wrong side of an Olympic boycott if they're not careful.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/16/2218019.htm?section=justin

China demands CNN apologise for analyst's comments
Posted 6 hours 24 minutes ago

China has denounced comments by a CNN analyst who called China a "bunch of goons and thugs" and is demanding an apology for what it called "vile" remarks.

"We are shocked by and strongly condemn the malicious attacks on the Chinese people by CNN's (analyst Jack) Cafferty," foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu told reporters.

"We demand CNN and Cafferty himself take back his vile remarks and apologise to all the Chinese people."

Meanwhile, things settling down with Taiwan ..
Another example of "This too shall pass" as the Bhuddha said ?.

China announces flights to 'rogue' Taiwan
By China correspondent Stephen McDonell
Posted 8 hours 45 minutes ago

In a sign of thawing relations between Taiwan and mainland China, direct flights are to be introduced.
The Chinese Government considers the island of Taiwan to be a rogue province and Chinese nationalists often threaten to retake it militarily.

But in a sign that relations may be improving between Beijing and Taipei, regular direct air flights between the cities will soon commence. From July 4, direct air flights will run from Friday until Monday.

Then, from the end of 2008, a daily service will start.

The recent re-election of a Guomindang Government in Taiwan has seen a shift away from the island's push for formal independence and an apparent reduction in tensions.