The Fabian society flies under the radar

[SirRumpole]

You mean you havn't actually read the Advance Australia website ? It's all good stuff that no doubt will be well received by the God fearing, freedom loving participants on ASF.

Yes I did read it, and while there were some interesting ideas the details didn't really stack up.

It sounds like another libertarian group, fine in principle, but blind to the realities of the world.

 

[wayneL]

Examples please ?

How about ad a quick example, the notion that there is white privilege, that all whites are inherently racist and that we should suffer white guilt... This has been subject to accelerationism.

 

[SirRumpole]

How about ad a quick example, the notion that there is white privilege, that all whites are inherently racist and that we should suffer white guilt... This has been subject to accelerationism.

I think that's been accelerated by immigrants and the indigenous not by Fabians.

 

[moXJO]

You mean you havn't actually read the Advance Australia website ? It's all good stuff that no doubt will be well received by the God fearing, freedom loving participants on ASF.

Firstly, clearly , the ATO is not legit. Never has been. Never can be.

Second. We have to "lawfully" rebel. Now. Yep this Government ain't right and the Magna Carta says we the public can rebel against an unjust King.

And it gets more interesting.

It is interesting. Mainly the part about putting policy back in the hands of the people. It doesn't seem to lean either way.
I doubt it would be workable. Not to mention the pain of transition. Australians are too lazy for civil uprisings.

 

[SirRumpole]

It is interesting. Mainly the part about putting policy back in the hands of the people. It doesn't seem to lean either way.
I doubt it would be workable. Not to mention the pain of transition. Australians are too lazy for civil uprisings.

CIR's are a good idea, which is why the politicians don't want them.

As Brexit showed, those sort of decisions should not be left to the plebs.

 

[wayneL]

I think that's been accelerated by immigrants and the indigenous not by Fabians.

The two are related

 

[Tink]

The Swiss have referendums

 

[Tisme]

How about ad a quick example, the notion that there is white privilege, that all whites are inherently racist and that we should suffer white guilt... This has been subject to accelerationism.

Well of course Fabians aren't marxists. They differ through the notion that society owns the assets and merely rents them out to capitalists as opposed to the surplus being retained free of e.g. trickle down imposts.

On that core concept I think most of us like the idea that e.g. natural resources exploitation returns money back to the nation rather than all to the capitalist with the miner's rights.

 

[Tink]

The Swiss have referendums

Just noticed it is on the site.
http://advance-australia.com.au/what-is-cir/

 

[Tisme]

Just noticed it is on the site.
http://advance-australia.com.au/what-is-cir/

First line is grossly incorrect and sets the rest of the article up as a misnoamer.

 

[Tink]

I have to wonder about our councils though, Tisme.

 

[Tink]

So who has been voting for these changes in the Melbourne Council?

 

[Tisme]

I have to wonder about our councils though, Tisme.

Yes well councils in QLD are notoriously run by cowboys.

 

[Tink]

Well Federal over rides State?

Our Constitution is the highest law of the land. It overrides any States laws. Therefore, it is imperative that We the People have the right to decide which Constitutional laws we wish to enact to guide the ship of state, our Government.

 

[wayneL]

Well of course Fabians aren't marxists. They differ through the notion that society owns the assets and merely rents them out to capitalists as opposed to the surplus being retained free of e.g. trickle down imposts.

On that core concept I think most of us like the idea that e.g. natural resources exploitation returns money back to the nation rather than all to the capitalist with the miner's rights.

Hmmm

Haven't had much to do with the Oz Fabians, but had a fair bit of interchange with the UK Fabians 2005-2008. There was certainly a strong ideologically Marxist element, probably the dominant element, even if it wasn't openly admitted to.

Although, in practice I rather think they pragmatically tended more towards Mussolini style fascism as an achievable goal via gradualism.

 

[Tisme]

Well Federal over rides State?

Our Constitution is the highest law of the land. It overrides any States laws. Therefore, it is imperative that We the People have the right to decide which Constitutional laws we wish to enact to guide the ship of state, our Government.

Our federation gave residual powers to the states. Unlike the USA where the states gave residual powers to the feds.

 

[Tisme]

Hmmm

Haven't had much to do with the Oz Fabians, but had a fair bit of interchange with the UK Fabians 2005-2008. There was certainly a strong ideologically Marxist element, probably the dominant element, even if it wasn't openly admitted to.

Although, in practice I rather think they pragmatically tended more towards Mussolini style fascism as an achievable goal via gradualism.

True that marxists have skewed it's original aims, but both wear socialist underpants.