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Just had a great though Rance Firesale all of PIF we give all the dough to my friend RickH and we let Rick make wonderful investments for us all We will all be stinking rich in no time Gee am kicking my self for not thinking of this before /////// i wonder what Rich will charge us ?????Hello Duped
All quiet on the Western Front today.
I think most of us are exhausted from endlessly regurgitating the various permutations about the future of the PIF. Roll on the vote! The result may give us more to talk about.
Rance
Hi All, Time is of essence now to secure a 75% vote and there still seems to be a certain amount of confusion surrounding future outcomes for the PIF. I have just had a long phone conversation with WC and will share the information I received in the hope that it will clarify a few issues and uncertainties concerning our investment. Some are wondering why WC won't simply sell off all of the PIF assets in an orderly fashion and return the money to unit holders. The answer is because they have taken on the role as FUND MANAGERS, not ADMINISTRATORS!!! WC is not a benevolent society!Taking on the PIF is purely a business decision made by WC in the hope to make money and in doing so, PIF holders will share in the upside. Shortly all unit holders will receive their information packs where many questions are answered and clarified. The pack will also contain an 80 page explanatory memorandum on the changed structure of the Fund, approved by ASIC. I am guessing this will replace the old PDS until such times as the PIF has been stabilised and the future direction determined. OCV new board provided $3million for WC to proceed with the information forums, extra staff, operating/legal costs etc. to get to where we are at present. If WC do not get the vote to continue as a going concern, then you better have the fire brigade on speed dial, because a bonfire is what we will get. From a business perspective, if JH doesn't get that vote, then she owes no loyalty to us and only has until March to wind the PIF up. Why would WC want to change the constitution and extend the 360 day winding up period if there is no long term benefit for them? The expenses involved in engaging another RE with no prior knowledge of the PIF would be staggering in as much as the work already done by WC and paid for by OCV would have to be duplicated at our expense. Regarding the Sept 18th meeting, it will be a structured formal event, involving no discussion with guests as was the case at the Investor Forums.Anyone attending will be purely there as spectators.All votes will have been received and counted 48 hours prior to the meeting. In the event that the 5 main creditors of OCV do not accept the offer and OCV will be liquidated now as opposed to over a 3 year period, we will receive 11.8cents in the $ for only the $50mill support facility as this debt has been legally aknowledged! Even though OCV has recognised the remaining $147mill it has not been legally aknowledged at this point! So if liquidators step in we are up the creek.JH is still in discussion with OCV to negotiate 22.5cents or better for the whole amount. So even if OCV creditors accept the offer, it will still be wound up over the 3 year period. It will not remain an ongoing concern after that time, merely giving the company time to realize an orderly wind down. Regards, Seamisty
Yes its Mr Bad News I could not agree more what Jadel is saying i was thinking of going to the meeting at th GC but whats the point none of us can have a say Its just take it or leave it . A lot of unit holders might just leave it they are that pi;;';' off with the whole thing /////
Yes Robert what ever you say Robert You are right Now i want you to give us all some advice and guird us which way we should be going Are you in faviour of listing on the NSX??????? Or the ASX Which one ????????? Thats of couse if JH gets over the line We would all love to hear your views on the whole thing Thank You //////As is the case with all of these internet forums, they start out being an information sharing platform but soon degenerate into a series of personal slanging matches. I would suggest we all KEEP TO THE POINT and only post if we have something constructive to add.
The most important item on the agenda at the moment is the upcoming VOTE to see if we will be continuing with Wellington Capital. I believe we should stick with them and hope that further postings by other rational unit holders may help convince thise who are unsure, to also vote for the retention of WC.
Good Afternoon CableGuy Just got off the phone from WC Was told the NSX is the only way you will get any money back if any there is to be no other way //////////////I am not reading this forum to be told how to vote. Most JH believers have no substance behind their faith. I am waiting to see what JH offers and if the NSX is the only way out I would rather get my money back in an orderly wind up. What are the ‘positive people’ proposing if JH doesn’t get the vote? Or is this too much for you to contemplate?
I am not reading this forum to be told how to vote. Most JH believers have no substance behind their faith. I am waiting to see what JH offers and if the NSX is the only way out I would rather get my money back in an orderly wind up. What are the ‘positive people’ proposing if JH doesn’t get the vote? Or is this too much for you to contemplate?
Your first post on here CableGuy and it comes across as hostile and sarcastic.How much money do you think you will get back via an orderly windup with an independant administrator once all the associated costs involved have been deducted? This is a genuine question and I would appreciate other people with previous experience to post their opinions of final unit values in regard to the PIF if it is liquidated. Some of the 'positive people' I know have been quietly working behind the scenes investigating other alternatives, some even getting legal advice at their own expense, and have still came to the same conclusion, listing on the NSX is nowhere near as financially detrimental as liquidation, orderly or otherwise. Regards, SeamistyI am not reading this forum to be told how to vote. Most JH believers have no substance behind their faith. I am waiting to see what JH offers and if the NSX is the only way out I would rather get my money back in an orderly wind up. What are the ‘positive people’ proposing if JH doesn’t get the vote? Or is this too much for you to contemplate?
If JH's fee is .7% of the value of the managed funds, Would not the NSX price be the current value on which her fee is calculated?
Jadel, don't bother with the old widows, crack onto JH (Grim Reaper) she will end up with the lot.
Now I'll let you all know before I start, I'm really, really, thick as a short plank. Can someone with a simple explanation tell me why we are dealing with JH. So far what she has done hasn't cost us a cracker. She says OCV shelled out a couple of million to get her show on the road and she paid CS or someone, "just north of $20million" for PIF. O.K. so we are now officially Wellington Premium Income Fund and there is $755million in the kitty as 29th Feb 2008,which JH is aware of , see the attachment:-
Wellington Premium Income Fund
General Information
Fund Name Wellington Premium Income Fund
Fund Status Closed
APIR Code MFS0001AU
Sector/Asset Class Mortgages - Aggressive
Morningstar Rating Not Rated
Standard & Poor's Rating Not Rated
Legal Structure Investment Fund
Fund Inception 1st Nov 2000
Fund Size $755.88 million (as at 29th Feb 2008)
Entry Price $1 (as at 30th Apr 2008)
Exit Price $1 (as at 30th Apr 2008)
Special Features Distribution statement, performance updates, annual report, tax statement, 1800 number, Lloyds of London insurance.
The next query is the title of RE, Administrator, Liquidator, etc. I feel we are being advised that we should not consider opting for an administrator or any other form of management to handle our, (it is our?) fund. I feel our affairs are being treated esoterically and in petto.
If an administrator is of no use, then are we to expect WC and crew to do us better than these poor investors in the following attachment?:-
Planners have two choices over Lift Capital
By xxxxx
Wednesday 16 July 2008
Financial planners whose clients have had their assets seized due to the collapse of Lift Capital were given two options to recover their money by the firm's voluntary administrators yesterday.
They could vote for the broker's voluntary administrator,yyyyy, to liquidate Lift, which would return about 62 cents in the dollar to creditors, yyyyy partner zzzzz said.
Choosing liquidation would leave yyyyyy with enough money for a class action against mmmmm, Lift's secured financier.
xxxxx would sue the United States-headquartered securities firm in a class action on behalf of Lift's 1019 clients - who are owed $220 million - for the way it handled the Lift situation.
Under the other option planners could vote for the voluntary administrator to implement a deed of company arrangement (DOCA), zzzzz said.
Voting for this option would boost returns to around 79 cents in the dollar, but creditors would give up the right to take class action against mmmmm and Lift's directors.
The returns would be higher as mmmmm had agreed to inject $1.4 million into the pool of funds to be redistributed back to planners, on the condition that it not get hit by a class action by xxxxx on behalf of 1019 clients.
However, creditors would be allowed to sue mmmmm in their own names.
Lift's directors had offered to put $1.15 million into the pool and remove their own claims as creditors of $1.29 million if administrators proceeded with the DOCA.
xxxxx partners' yyyyyy and jjjjjjj recommended the DOCA at yesterday's creditors meeting in Sydney.
Planners have until mid-September to vote.
Lift went into voluntary administration on April 10. mmmmm had sold $650 million of Lift's stock to replenish the money it lent to the broker.
Thanks to DoraNBoots, you're good value, should be more of you.
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