Dear Dora
Sorry late in replying have this dreadful virus that going around .
I think we are talking timescales here , obviously selling units in listed property trusts at this time ,with one of the worst disasters in history the Sub prime Crisis( which has shaken the financial system to its core )would be foolhardy .
Once America and the world recover from this catastrophe the property sector will recover, we also need to complete and sell the projects under development.
Therefore, In my opinion we need at least three years to enable the assets to regain value. That is why I an in favor of an incentive based scheme on any asset sales with a chosen Manager or Administrator, under those circumstances I am certain we would receive a fair price for the funds assets.
This is a very different proposition from the piecemeal sell off at fire sale prices given as our onlyoption ,which to answer your question may indeed receive less than the 45cents value .
In any event , any rational alternative is now only of academic interest ,we have only been given two choices, the “Devil or the Deep Blue Sea” and I think most people intend to take the former. If that is the democratic vote then so be it.
However , people need to understand the harsh realities of the situation ,Jenny Hutson can not make a fair price at NTA value in a trading market.
Now you may ask, why is this guy is so frightened of being listed , well apart from all the previously mentioned dangers of a Placement or Non renounce able Rights Issue which can devalue our assets at the stroke of a pen ,I also happen to have a nephew who only purpose in life is to write Quantum Algorythyms ( mathematical formulae ) for a major investment Bank trading in listed equities
The price of a listed asset value can and is manipulated by these financial groups either upwards or downwards to suit their purpose.
If you have any doubts check out how Goldman Sachs made a its main profit for the last few years (it wasn’t from investment banking )
In respect of the other investment schemes I do know something about the Maximum yield fund as one of our AG members had a major investment in this scheme .
The money was invested at a stated return of 15% anything over would go to OCV and the investment could only be withdrawn on a group vote.
Basically their is nothing left in the Maximum Yield Fund all of the money was unlawfully withdrawn and placed in OCV. Jenny Hutson herself has admitted to him verbally that this is a case of fraud.
Regards Chris.
Hi Jadel, if as you say there is definately fraud..then how come ASIC or some other body can't make them give the money back and prosecute them?
I am only repeating what the lady told me on the phone I agree what your saying Javier About a landslide And if it is Its all the way with the Dopey NSX ///////That contradicts what they told me last week in which they said 90% of the 1200 callers they had spoken to would be voting for wc to continue being re. Maybe they are now telling people the close to wire spiel to ensure they get a landslide.
Dose anyone know how many people will fit in that meeting room on the Gold Coast They are expecting a crowd Could not give an answer if we all cant fit in I asked who will count the votes she did not know said maybe Perputal //////////
Hi everyone,Great Doom, welcome back... i understand the convention centre has two auditoriums; capacity of each is 6,000 seats as well as smaller ones which, depending on configuration, can hold up to 3,500. Go to: http://www.gccec.com.au
Rance
In my opinion investors are being placed under unwarranted intimidation to vote for her plans .
Thanks Jadel for your post. I hope you are feeling better!
I’m wondering what peoples thoughts are on the attached figures. WC said of the 32 commercial loans totalling $360mill only 12 are in compliance. Is this normal? Also would some of these be the dud loans from OCV which we have a claim for?
Easy to answer that one Dora WC thinks that we all pretty dumb & dont know any better & we are all easley lead SIMPLE //////I understand the intimidation comment because if you are told you only have two options and one is to get 14 cents then most will go with the other option. But what about a 3rd option? Why isn’t WC giving us the information to make an informed decision on the option to have the constitution changed to allow an orderly windup of assets over a number of years? WC are the only ones with the information that could give us details on estimate returns for this option but seem to not even want us to consider it. I realise they want the fund to keep going and are not interested in an orderly wind up (long or short) but I think we should be given all the details and options so each of us can decide which best suits OUR circumstances (not theirs).
Thanks Jadel for your post. I hope you are feeling better!
I’m wondering what peoples thoughts are on the attached figures. WC said of the 32 commercial loans totalling $360mill only 12 are in compliance. Is this normal? Also would some of these be the dud loans from OCV which we have a claim for?
So the 14 cent figure is if the fund must be wound up by end of March 09 (I can’t see how WC call this an orderly realisation of assets). Does anyone have an estimate what an orderly wind up over a number of years might give us? Can anyone explain how this would happen? Most of the loans mentioned in the attachment are overdue anyway so would the administrator just wait for the projects to be completed to pay us out rather than reinvesting if the fund continues?
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