Just to let you know, I got my letter from Jenny today, inviting me to the forum meetings
Trust everyones getting theirs?
BTW - You only have till June 30th to register ("Please RSVP by 30th June")
You can register by fax to 1300 854 893 or by reply envelope.
Considering the notoriously slow mail between QLD & NSW, I feel WC should cut a bit of slack for the short notice RSVP date - way to late for this RSVP date. I just got mine today and its already 23/06/08.
Further, I think we should be able to scan the "Registration Form" with our investor details and date / venue chosen and then, email it back - will follow this up with WC.
It comes with a PIF update June 2008 which really doesn't tell us much we don't know.
Under "How can I get my money out" - only the NSX is mentioned, NOT any starting of quartely payments via the PIF, at a later date, as I was advised. This maybe just those who want all their money out immediately. Need to verify this, either before the meetings or at the meetings. I was sure I did verify it - perhaps Jenny will mention the other quarterly option at the forum.
Hi All
Am co ordinating the AG for Brisbane but unfortunately beset by Server problems and am posting on limited time from local library
Should be back on line tomorrow morning
Please contact me on chrisaaa@iprimus.com.au
I think the following post will give investors some idea why the PIF almost certainly recieved an ultimatum from the Royal bank of Scotland and was forced to fire sale assets.
Regards Chris
The Royal Bank of Scotland has advised clients to brace for a full-fledged crash in global stock and credit markets over the next three months as inflation paralyses the major central banks.
"A very nasty period is soon to be upon us - be prepared," said Bob Janjuah, the bank's credit strategist.
A report by the bank's research team warns that the S&P 500 index of Wall Street equities is likely to fall by more than 300 points to around 1050 by September as "all the chickens come home to roost" from the excesses of the global boom, with contagion spreading across Europe and emerging markets.
Such a slide on world bourses would amount to one of the worst bear markets over the last century.
RBS said the iTraxx index of high-grade corporate bonds could soar to 130/150 while the "Crossover" index of lower grade corporate bonds could reach 650/700 in a renewed bout of panic on the debt markets.
"I do not think I can be much blunter. If you have to be in credit, focus on quality, short durations, non-cyclical defensive names.
"Cash is the key safe haven. This is about not losing your money, and not losing your job," said Mr Janjuah, who became a City star after his grim warnings last year about the credit crisis proved all too accurate.
RBS expects Wall Street to rally a little further into early July before short-lived momentum from America's fiscal boost begins to fizzle out, and the delayed effects of the oil spike inflict their damage.
"Globalisation was always going to risk putting G7 bankers into a dangerous corner at some point. We have got to that point," he said.
US Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank both face a Hobson's choice as workers start to lose their jobs in earnest and lenders cut off credit.
The authorities cannot respond with easy money because oil and food costs continue to push headline inflation to levels that are unsettling the markets. "The ugly spoiler is that we may need to see much lower global growth in order to get lower inflation," he said.
"The Fed is in panic mode. The massive credibility chasms down which the Fed and maybe even the ECB will plummet when they fail to hike rates in the face of higher inflation will combine to give us a big sell-off in risky assets," he said.
Kit Jukes, RBS's head of debt markets, said Europe would not be immune. "Economic weakness is spreading and the latest data on consumer demand and confidence are dire. The ECB is hell-bent on raising rates.
"The political fall-out could be substantial as finance ministers from the weaker economies rail at the ECB. Wider spreads between the German Bunds and peripheral markets seem assured," he said.
Ultimately, the bank expects the oil price spike to subside as the more powerful force of debt deflation takes hold next year.
Hi Phil, please contact breaker1@aapt.net.com and register your details, welcome to the forum and Action Group, regards, seamistyHi
Just joined Aussie Stock Forums as one of the disaffected PIF investors. Put me on the action group - not even sure whether I have hit the right buttons to make this happen
Phil Lawrence for SMSF
We may be in line, but as an unsecured creditor, how much would we get? $147m (is this LLA etc??) damages the PIF made as investments in MFS subsiduaries...I thought under the PIF constitution it could not make direct investments to subsiduaries of parent co MFS? I reckon when all is settled we have a case for suing the professional idemnity policy for MFSIM board as I am sure there were breaches in the manner investments were done, with complete disregard of the constitution, the adverse effects that these decisions may have on investor funds and they were just down right INCOMPETENT..and that CEO of MFSIM is now with WC!!!![/QUOTE
Boy, are there sliding panels in this disgraceful saga! Every time I read a post by the likes of Javier and Breaker1, I am thankful. If ever there was a time for investors' cynicism to rise it's now. And WC shouldn't underestimate investors' desire to dig deep into all this. I guess WC overlooked the chances of such a strong-willed Action Group ever forming when they took us over.
Javier I'm not sure that the loan to LLA is included in that $147million.I think that is separate again as LLA is a separate listed company and not included in the winding up orders listed by the Public Trustee of Queensland(PTQ) The four affected are 1.Octaviar LTD, 2.Octaviar Investment Notes Ltd, 3.Octaviar Investment Bonds Ltd. 4.Octaviar Financial Services Ltd., So if you include the money owed to the PIF from LLA that accounts for all (plus more)of the $200 million that was owed to the RBOS I have kept several e-mails I received from OCV stating that OCV did not have a loan to PIF and that the money owed the RBOS was used to buy additional assets for the PIF. I also received a letter from Guy Hutchings on the 7th May stating::'There has been a recent change to the conditions of the LLA loan. The loan term has been extended by 1 month to the 30th June 2008 on condition that once LLA's main secured lender has been repaid , LLA grants an all assets fixed and floating charge and real property mortgages over the freehold and leasehold real property to the PIFto secure an amount of up to $45 million. This may provide unit holders with improved security for the loan facility to LLA.':::Regards, SeamistyWe may be in line, but as an unsecured creditor, how much would we get? $147m (is this LLA etc??) damages the PIF made as investments in MFS subsiduaries...I thought under the PIF constitution it could not make direct investments to subsiduaries of parent co MFS? I reckon when all is settled we have a case for suing the professional idemnity policy for MFSIM board as I am sure there were breaches in the manner investments were done, with complete disregard of the constitution, the adverse effects that these decisions may have on investor funds and they were just down right INCOMPETENT..and that CEO of MFSIM is now with WC!!!!
My biggest complaint is why has'nt ASIC done anything about the breaches OCV/MFS have made.
"ASIC is responsible for the supervision of operators of financial markets and clearing and settlement (C&S) facilities and of market participants"
When you read what they say on their web site I am amazed that they havent done anything. I suspose there waiting till it all goes bust before stepping in..
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