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noco said:
Howard was not responsible for any deaths.......The involvement in Iraq was a bi-partisan event with the then Labor Party in opposition.

You want to blame Howard but you do mention Rudd's decision to go along with killing Colonel Gaddaffi.
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I remember the marches all over Australia in protest of Australian troops being sent to Iraq. It was done against the will of the people!

[video=youtube_share;JfpIJJCtjK0]http://youtu.be/JfpIJJCtjK0[/video]
 
The way Bill Shorten has become glued to the CFMEU, I am starting to foresee an implosion in the Labor Party in the near future....At the present time, and while the polls are favoring the LUG party, the rusted on LUG people are afraid to speak out for fear of being expelled but watch the polls go further south soon for Bill and the Labor Party and then sparks will begin to fly.

Shorten is up against a Rhode scholar, a pugilist and a bloke with determination where as Shorten is an ex union hack with very little brain to think with past his nose.

Anybody who takes Abbott for a fool is no mug.:D


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...520065185?sv=f9e7dcf6424e8012063fc994ae3797d4

To the disgust of Labor members who pride themselves on the economic reform legacy of the Hawke-Keating years, the party has slumped into the depths of political expediency and short-term thinking. Its behaviour is the antithesis of John F. Kennedy’s philosophy — it no longer asks what it can do for the country but asks how it can turn political and economic issues to its own ends, even at the expense of the country’s interest.

The prime examples this week have been the failed Senate motion to call on the Governor-General to sack trade union royal commissioner Dyson Heydon and the destructive campaign against the China free-trade agreement. In both cases, Bill Shorten and his team have been led by the nose by their union masters, especially the militant Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union.

The embarrassing Senate motion was defeated because crossbenchers John Madigan, Nick Xenophon, Bob Day and Ricky Muir had the sense to join the Abbott government and oppose it. The Greens and independent senators Jacqui Lambie and Glenn Lazarus foolishly lined up with Labor. Had the motion succeeded, Sir Peter Cosgrove undoubtedly would have ignored it. There is no reason to think that he would have abandoned the precedent — sacrosanct in the ALP since Sir John Kerr dismissed the Whitlam government 40 years ago — that the governor-general follows the advice of the elected government.

As we’ve acknowledged, Mr Heydon slipped up by initially accepting an invitation to deliver the Sir Garfield Barwick address to a Liberal Party legal function. And as Pamela Williams reported on Tuesday, concerns have been raised that lawyers working for the royal commission gave union whistleblower turned fraudster Kathy Jackson favourable treatment, including advance knowledge of issues to be covered during her appearances. But Australia needs the commission, which has done an effective job under Mr Heydon’s leadership, referring 30 union and ex-union officials for possible prosecution. Former ACTU president and cabinet minister Martin Ferguson has taken a longer view than many in modern Labor, noting that the commission’s revelations should drive important internal reforms. These would make the ALP more effective.

Until the Canning by-election on September 19, federal Labor, unfortunately, is unlikely to take a constructive approach to the China-Australia free-trade agreement, which party elders Bob Hawke, Bob Carr, Simon Crean and the party’s state leaders all support. For now, the Opposition Leader is prepared to be seen to risk trade, investment, growth and jobs in return for the support of inward-looking, protectionist trade unions that are blitzing Canning with a xenophobic scare campaign over the ChAFTA and penalty rates. In reality, Mr Shorten supports the deal and has pointed to the work Labor did in office towards achieving it.

But with the CFMEU leading the campaign against ChAFTA, especially in Canning, the Opposition Leader, for now, is happy to create the impression Labor might vote against the enabling legislation and scupper the deal. Such acquiescence to the unions’ dictates on such a fundamental economic reform will do Mr Shorten’s political credibility and the nation’s economic future no good.
 
And here is Niki Savva on Bill Shorten.

Shorten must a hide as thick as a rhinoceros to be copping so much flake from his elders...the true Labor people and now journos.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...520010545?sv=80a09c3c59c18afe9c31acaa34011097

We can safely deduce what Gough Whitlam would have made of Bill Shorten’s Labor Party undermining the China free-trade agreement on the one hand, while on the other appealing to the Governor-General to intercede in a matter against the express wishes of the serving Prime Minister.

Whitlam would think Shorten was bonkers. The leader who helped forge modern Australia’s relations with China would consider Shorten gormless and gutless for following the faceless and witless to undermine a trade deal with the potential to create tens of thousands of jobs.

His contempt would be compounded by Shorten’s other brainwave, or rather brain snap, to ask the Senate to ask Peter Cosgrove to remove Dyson Heydon as royal commissioner looking into trade union corruption. Hello. Did anyone think to remind the present leader and his shadow ministers that the 40th anniversary of Whitlam’s sacking by John Kerr approaches? That was the last time a governor-general took the advice of the opposition against a serving prime minister.

An argument can be made that it worked out well for the then opposition, but it wasn’t a principle or an outcome Labor saw fit to endorse at the time or at any time since, until recent days in a move reeking of hypocrisy, while oblivious to any ironies.

If he had a grave, Gough would be rolling in it.

Shorten’s actions may bring short-term rewards, but long term they are damaging — enough to rouse the dead and appal the *living.
 
noco said:
We can safely deduce what Gough Whitlam would have made of Bill Shorten’s Labor Party undermining the China free-trade agreement on the one hand, while on the other appealing to the Governor-General to intercede in a matter against the express wishes of the serving Prime Minister.
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Can we ?

So if Nikki is such a clairvoyant, perhaps she can pick the next Lotto numbers.
 
dutchie said:
Shorten to resign over numerous gaffs.

Subway or 7-Eleven? Bill Shorten's awkward slip of the tongue

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...the-tongue-20150902-gjdd5x.html#ixzz3lZuDPZB9
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Shorten calls Aylan Kurdi a girl.


Bill Shorten needs to resign his position as Opposition Leader after these awful gaffs.
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And the Fabian indoctrinated ABC and Fairfax let it all go through to the keeper.

Move on...nothing to see here....just a slight slip of the tongue....big deal over nothing.
 
dutchie said:
Shorten to resign over numerous gaffs.

Subway or 7-Eleven? Bill Shorten's awkward slip of the tongue

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...the-tongue-20150902-gjdd5x.html#ixzz3lZuDPZB9
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook


Shorten calls Aylan Kurdi a girl.


Bill Shorten needs to resign his position as Opposition Leader after these awful gaffs.
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Suppository of Wisdom Abbott survived, so really why can't shorten?

Laughing at a joke about pacific islands facing rising waters from climate change. Obviously that's not offensive at all eh.
 
sydboy007 said:
Suppository of Wisdom Abbott survived, so really why can't shorten?

Laughing at a joke about pacific islands facing rising waters from climate change. Obviously that's not offensive at all eh.
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How do you know it was a joke ... "Time doesn't mean anything when you're about to have water lapping at your door" sounds more like politics before candour.
 
noco said:
Howard was not responsible for any deaths.......The involvement in Iraq was a bi-partisan event with the then Labor Party in opposition.

You want to blame Howard but you do mention Rudd's decision to go along with killing Colonel Gaddaffi.
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Sorry I know this comment was a long time ago but this is factually incorrect, Labor opposed the invasion of Iraq unless the United Nations endorsed the invasion which they never did.
 
overhang said:
Sorry I know this comment was a long time ago but this is factually incorrect, Labor opposed the invasion of Iraq unless the United Nations endorsed the invasion which they never did.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-03-23/labor-splits-as-crean-drops-bring-troops-home/1822206


Labor splits as Crean drops 'bring troops home' demand
Updated 24 Mar 2003, 12:14am

MAP: Australia
Labor leader Simon Crean has been accused of "shafting" his caucus by dropping his demand for the immediate recall of the Australian troops now fighting in Iraq.

Mr Crean says it is not realistic to keep calling for the withdrawal of Australia's forces in Iraq, now the war has begun.

Labor MP Harry Quick says that is not what the ALP caucus agreed.

"I think there'll be a lot of angry people who have been shafted," he said.

"I'm totally appalled, we left on Thursday with an understanding that we're opposed," he said.

"Our first imperative was to bring the troops home. I'm anxiously going to check on the wire service and if it is the case, all hell will break loose in the Caucus on Tuesday.

"I mean I can't believe he's made such a stupid statement, if he has."

Another Labor MP, Carmen Lawrence, says she thinks most of her colleagues will continue to demand the troops be brought home, regardless of what Simon Crean says.

"I'm pretty positive they will, because that's our collective position," she said.

Some other Labor MPs think the argument is academic. Among them is Tanya Plibersek.

"Our troops are already on the outskirts of Baghdad. By the time we can get them back on ships and get them to Australia this war will have been well over," she said.
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http://australianpolitics.com/2003/03/20/why-labor-does-not-support-the-war-crean.html

Crean"As I speak, we are a nation on the brink of war.

A war we should not be in.

A war to which 2000 of our fighting men and women were committed many months ago but were told about last Tuesday.

A war to which we are one of only four countries prepared to join the U.S. in putting troops on the ground, despite claims of a coalition of up to thirty.

A war which, for the first time in our history, Australia has joined as an aggressor.

Not because we are directly threatened.

Not because the UN has determined it.

But because the U.S. asked us to.

A war our troops will engage in when Commander Tommy Franks of the United States gives the order.

A war which exposes them to great risk.

A war which will cause great humanitarian damage to innocent men, women and children in Iraq.

A war unnecessary to achieve the disarmament of Iraq because there remained an alternate way.

Saddam Hussein must be disarmed, but this is not the way.
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Howard didn't enter that war with bipartisan support.
 
I was surprised to read that left wing socialist David Marr throw his 2 cents into the ring into what is going on behind closed doors in the Labor Party....From all accounts, all is not well.....fractured fractions left right and center......More dirty deals done with the CFMEU .....The CFMEU says we will agree with you (Shorten) on the turn back of illegal boats if you (Shorten) find a place on a China Trade Mission.

Surprise....surprise !!!!!


https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/29581479/shorten-had-no-big-role-in-rudd-return/

Marr writes that Mr Shorten's deal to get the ALP national conference in July to support asylum seeker boat turnbacks involved making promises to union bosses on several seats in state upper houses, a place on a China trade mission and a deputy mayoralty on the fringe of a capital city.
 
Well now the Laborites have gotten rid of Tony and Joe, and their favorite left wing Liberal installed, it will be interesting to see how Bill performs.

Also of interest, will be how Bowen handles Morrison, fun times ahead, me thinks.:D
 
Oh No !!!!!! The Labor Party have hosted the white flag already...They have thrown in the towel before race has started.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-stuff-of-dreams/story-e6frg76f-1227553045005

Labor believes it will probably lose the next election to Malcolm Turnbull.

When Tony Abbott was elected in 2013, senior Labor figures thought it would take three terms to knock off the new government.

Abbott’s poor polls allowed them to think they might do it in one term.

Now they expect Turnbull to win.

This was evident in the astonishingly lame Labor response to the Turnbull government’s magnificently vacuous stunt of announcing a bid for the UN Security Council in 2029.

For the moment, Labor cannot counter Turnbull’s ability to generate waves of positive publicity with completely meaningless and cost-free gestures.

Um...this is not a Bolt report.
 
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