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banco said:
I've read the text and can't see where the lies are. Yes there'll be labour market testing but everyone knows that is easily gamed (that's why we've got tonnes of 457 visa IT workers at the same time as we've got heaps of IT workers who are unemployed).
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But is OK for the unions to bring in 41 union staff from overseas on 457 visas....Don't dare tell me those jobs could not have been filled by Australians...I would to see the research the unions did before going to 457 visas....Maybe they were from the Fabian Society Secret Service or KGB men.
 
I am breaking my moratorium on posting on the non stock related portions of ASF because on a good day it is a merry go round of stupidity and senility (with the last 20 or so posts proving my point).

However, this afternoon I read this lovely NewMatilda article, and I thought of a good catchphrase to describe the current situation. Good enough to temporarily break the moratorium over anyway.

"Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am, stuck."

https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/30/b...rce-then-condemns-it-when-it-all-goes-custard

Turns out old mate Shorten was all for it. In fact he criticised the operation because they announced it (you know, it should have been a more ninja style of spot check than Stasi style :rolleyes: ).

Let us review the timeline, as shown by ABC journo Will Ockenden. At 10:14 am, the operation was announced. By 2:40 pm, the operation was cancelled. Bill Shorten only had a window of about four and a half hours to support Operation Fortitude before it was cancelled, under the crushing weight of its enormous unpopularity, and intrinsic awfulness.

However, once it was cancelled, Bill Shorten quickly tapped into public opinion with the trademark honesty and integrity we’ve come to expect from him...
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[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=8StG4fFWHqg[/video]
 
This must be so embarrassing for Barnacle Bill, here we have two Labor Premiers and the opposition Labor leader in the NSW Government all in line with the CHAFTA plus Bob Hawke, Bob Carr and Simon Crean.

I mean to say, what the hell is wrong with Bill Shorten and his union comrades?...He must be going insane or is he just being obstructive in his usual fashion?


https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/29410978/two-labor-premiers-back-china-trade-deal/


Two Labor premiers back China trade deal

AAP
September 2, 2015, 6:34 am


Two Labor premiers and a state opposition leader are at odds with the federal ALP over the China free trade agreement.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and his South Australian counterpart Jay Weatherill have backed the deal as it stands, along with NSW opposition leader Luke Foley, The Australian reports.

But at the federal level Labor and the union movement have concerns about the deal paving the way for foreign workers to take Australian jobs.

AAP
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I betcha, we don't hear any criticism from the ABC...It will fall on Mark Scott's death ears.
 
dutchie said:
Best joke of the decade

Labor is giving up Canning so that Abbott stays as leader.

That's according to Mark Kenny's (Fairfax idiot) Labor sources.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...g-to-protect-tony-abbott-20150901-gjd1m5.html


Labor the biggest idiots in the world !

ha ha ha ha ha...........
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Tis funny how we have an Abbott appointed RC judge who doesn't read emails.

Now we have an Abbot appointed Minister Dutton and his aides who also don't read emails.

Seems to be a pattern. How much further does it permeate the GOvt one has to wonder.
 
sydboy007 said:
Tis funny how we have an Abbott appointed RC judge who doesn't read emails.

Now we have an Abbot appointed Minister Dutton and his aides who also don't read emails.

Seems to be a pattern. How much further does it permeate the GOvt one has to wonder.
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And Shorten does not know the difference between Sub Way and 7 Eleven.

Shorten does not seem to know what is going on around him......I don't think he has caught up to speed with his learned ALP statesmen who are all stacked against him on the CHAFTA.
 
noco said:
And Shorten does not know the difference between Sub Way and 7 Eleven.

Shorten does not seem to know what is going on around him......I don't think he has caught up to speed with his learned ALP statesmen who are all stacked against him on the CHAFTA.
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I've heared more than a few comments from my co workers about how they're not convinced about the CHAFTA, so I think the questions Labor is asking are the supposed benefits are similar to what voters are asking as well.

The AUS US FTA has benefited the yanks far more than us. IP costs are higher. PBS costs over $200M a year higher due to longer patents.

China gets a lot more market access in Australia then we get in return.
 
sydboy007 said:
I've heared more than a few comments from my co workers about how they're not convinced about the CHAFTA, so I think the questions Labor is asking are the supposed benefits are similar to what voters are asking as well.

The AUS US FTA has benefited the yanks far more than us. IP costs are higher. PBS costs over $200M a year higher due to longer patents.

China gets a lot more market access in Australia then we get in return.
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Bill Shorten was against any FTA with China even when he was leader of the AWU....So nothing has changed with this idiot.
 
noco said:
Bill Shorten was against any FTA with China even when he was leader of the AWU....So nothing has changed with this idiot.
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So you are arguing that the CHAFTA as it current stands is perfect and that there are not some potential issues with it?

You're pretty much alone in that view.

I suppose if Labor were copying Abbott and saying they'll invest in infrastructure that loses money, hides info from Infrastructure Australia so they wont be able to critically analyse the investment, stretch the truth after giving IA a little bit of info and claim it's fully costed and IA approved, then you'd call them economic geniuses.

Tony Abbott, let me invest your tax money into infrastructure projects that will generate less than half your investment in economic returns. Lets make the budget deficit bigger in return for a sugar hit to GDP growth now. Who cares that future tax payers are loaded up with more debt. My Govt benefits now and that's really what matters.
 
I don't think it's any coincidence that Andrew Robb who was once head of the National Farmers Federation is pushing CHAFTA so hard. There may very well be benefits to the farm sector from this agreement but the overall economy will pay for it by a flood of cheap Chinese imports which will kill off what's left of the manufacturing industry.

No doubt Andrew Robb will soon depart Parliament and accept his reward on the Boards of some mining or agricultural companies.
 
SirRumpole said:
I don't think it's any coincidence that Andrew Robb who was once head of the National Farmers Federation is pushing CHAFTA so hard. There may very well be benefits to the farm sector from this agreement but the overall economy will pay for it by a flood of cheap Chinese imports which will kill off what's left of the manufacturing industry.

No doubt Andrew Robb will soon depart Parliament and accept his reward on the Boards of some mining or agricultural companies.
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The unions killed off our manufacturing industry decades ago...Stop crying over spilled milk....The damage has been done and there is not a thing you can do about it.

We have had cheap goods coming in from China for years.
 
sydboy007 said:
So you are arguing that the CHAFTA as it current stands is perfect and that there are not some potential issues with it?

You're pretty much alone in that view.
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Alone???? Alone????

I don't think so.

I am with Daniel Andrews, Mike Foley, Jay Weatherall, Anna Palszxzuk. Barr, Bob Hawke, Bob Carr, Simon Crean and Martin Fergusen.

Aren't they all good Labor Men with lots of common sense and are looking after the national interest?

Please correct if I am wrong.
 
noco said:
Alone???? Alone????

I don't think so.

I am with Daniel Andrews, Mike Foley, Jay Weatherall, Anna Palszxzuk. Barr, Bob Hawke, Bob Carr, Simon Crean and Martin Fergusen.

Aren't they all good Labor Men with lots of common sense and are looking after the national interest?

Please correct if I am wrong.
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Over a third of voters seem to have reservations over the CHAFTA.

Interesting how you go from being critical of Labor to saying they see the light.

There's much to be examined with the CHAFTA, and it needs to be done before we see situations like with the US FTA where we're out of pocket to the tune of hundreds of millions a year.

But hey, Abbott is asking if you'd like some more sub economic infrastructure investment. he knows a dud deal when he sees one.
 
sydboy007 said:
Over a third of voters seem to have reservations over the CHAFTA.

Interesting how you go from being critical of Labor to saying they see the light.

There's much to be examined with the CHAFTA, and it needs to be done before we see situations like with the US FTA where we're out of pocket to the tune of hundreds of millions a year.

But hey, Abbott is asking if you'd like some more sub economic infrastructure investment. he knows a dud deal when he sees one.
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Yes, I am still critical of Labor but I agree with the true Labor men and women on this one off occasion with the CHAFTA.

So 66% of voters are quite happy with CHAFTA....I guess that leaves you and Sir Rumpole in the minority..:D

Don't forget we do live in a democracy.... For how much longer we do not know..... if the Fabian indoctrinated LUG party ever get back into power democracy will will thrown out the window..;)
 
SirRumpole said:
Yes, and it's cr@p.

If you want to trust your life to a Great Wall you deserve to die.
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Don't blame me Rumpy...Blame your corrupt unions comrades.....They are the ones who sent our jobs to China with all their excessive demands for higher wages and conditions....So what are your suggestions to get those jobs back and start manufacturing shoes, clothing, white goods, motor vehicles etc in Oztralya.

I think you have painted yourself into a corner.

Once again.....Stop crying over spilled milk.....it is all too late.
 
noco said:
Don't blame me Rumpy...Blame your corrupt unions comrades.....They are the ones who sent our jobs to China with all their excessive demands for higher wages and conditions....So what are your suggestions to get those jobs back and start manufacturing shoes, clothing, white goods, motor vehicles etc in Oztralya.

I think you have painted yourself into a corner.

Once again.....Stop crying over spilled milk.....it is all too late.
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Noco, looks like you are back to full health, darn you are starting to annoy me again.

As you are the "white knight" of lower wages and third world conditions for Australian workers, I must ask you the question, did you ever give decent pensioner discounts in your plumbing business?
 
Macquack said:
Noco, looks like you are back to full health, darn you are starting to annoy me again.

As you are the "white knight" of lower wages and third world conditions for Australian workers, I must ask you the question, did you ever give decent pensioner discounts in your plumbing business?
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Geez Macquack, I apologize for annoying you...Perhaps you should take a Bex and a coke and lay down for a while.:D:D

I am not sure whether we had old age pensions in the 40's and 50's....I was out of the industry in the late 50's

Am I the "white knight" of lower wages and third world conditions for Australian workers?

Now lets analyse that question.

I could be the devils advocate but I don't think so....I could bring you back to reality that lower wages may never happen......Third World conditions???......Maybe, depending on whether the LUG party get back in in 2016.......They will bring back the carbon tax, tax the miners out of business and the unions will be allowed to go berserk as they are now doing in Victoria...Shorten will probably do more deals with the likes of Chiquita and Clean event to lower workers wages....Remember?...Those poor buggers had low wages and no penalty rates sprung on them thanks to barnacle Bill

You see the Lug Party and the corrupt unions do not have the workers interest at heart nor do they have the respect for the National interest.....That has been demonstrated quite often over the past 8 years....They are too indoctrinated with the Fabian Society ideology who are hell bent on central control......Control the media first which they have been successful in with the ABC......Brain wash the naive with their propaganda, criticize the conservative government and discredit it's leader when ever possible, and that is occurring daily, and subtly convert to socialism...Now that IS a recipe for lower wages and third world conditions.

I know you will come back and disagree with me but I will most likely being talking to St Peter by the time you face the facts of what The LUG Party are trying to lead us into..
 
noco said:
Yes, I am still critical of Labor but I agree with the true Labor men and women on this one off occasion with the CHAFTA.

So 66% of voters are quite happy with CHAFTA....I guess that leaves you and Sir Rumpole in the minority..:D

Don't forget we do live in a democracy.... For how much longer we do not know..... if the Fabian indoctrinated LUG party ever get back into power democracy will will thrown out the window..;)
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Do you see the contradictions of your criticism of Labor spending on say the roof bats and funding for school buildings, but then you praise Abbott for funding infrastructure projects that doesn't provide the economic growth that ensures the debt used to fund it is self liquidating over time.

i wonder if you truly drink the coalition koolaid and believe Abbott when he says the Grocery Code of conduct will save us from the ructions in China and Greece:

look, the important thing is to do whatever we can to build a strong and prosperous economy locally, and again I get back to the Grocery Code of Conduct.

This is about ensuring that we have the strongest possible local businesses to supply the strongest possible local businesses.

We have a great supermarket system. That rests on the shoulders of great local suppliers and this is about ensuring that we continue to have very strong local suppliers, best possible product at the best possible price so that we get the best possible deal for consumers – and if we do that we will avoid the problems that we see overseas.
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i wonder how many local suppliers will be wiped out by the CHAFTA, or just as likely driven into bankruptcy then bought on the cheap by Chinese backed companies that may or may not be able to ship over a bunch of workers to run the farms and export the product and profits back tot he motherland.

Do you believe it when Hockey says" There is no risk of recession in Australia"

or the equally fantastical claim by Hockey "(But) world growth would be lower if not for our leadership and determination last year to have a two per cent target and to roll out a global infrastructure initiative,"

Take off your ideological blinkers and use some critical thinking.
 
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