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So you reckon he is biased towards the Liberal Party, well unlike the commo Guardian paper who are always biased towards the LUG Party comrades, Sheridan can be critical of the Liberal Party as the link below proves.
So Rumpy get your facts right before making such derogatory comments.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...544316662?sv=68df27aa587e0606d43945a4ab9d8169
It looks very much like Australia is going to sleepwalk into a train wreck on defence policy under new Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and new Defence Minister Marise Payne.
They may surprise us. We may get splendid defence policy, but at this critical moment every sign is worrying that the new government is not going to take defence seriously.
This is the only conclusion to be reached from the personnel changes, portfolio allocations, the profound transformation of the National Security Committee of cabinet and the interaction of all this with the defence white paper.
Another LUG party member caught ripping off the tax payers......
Sam Dastyari thought he could get away with the tax payer paying his personal phone bill of $15,175......Embarrassed after being caught out, he has agreed to pay it back...That is 3 times more than Bronwyn Bishops helicopter ride....What a bunch of hypocrites we have in the Labor Party.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...556777738?sv=94d7a739ca193c52bdfe85f1b9670ddd
Perhaps Labor powerbroker Sam Dastyari was making real, long-distance phone calls in his re-*enactment in ABC’s The Killing Season.
Diary can reveal Dastyari has racked up a personal phone bill of $15,175, which rises to $17,286 if you also include his office account, from January to June this year.
It’s an office expense that’s on par with most MPs but his personal phone bill is, well, obviously excessive and likely to top the list of politicians’ phone expenses.
When contacted about his phone bill, an apologetic and embarrassed Dastyari said he contacted the parliament to let them know he would pay for his own phone bill moving forward, taking himself off the public system so that in future taxpayers would not be billed for his phone calls. He has negotiated a new phone plan for a couple of hundred dollars a month. “I have to say, I now understand bill shock,” Dastyari told Diary. “While I have never apologised for being a workaholic, I certainly should be better at managing my phone. I can negotiate a better deal if I pay for it myself, so I will.”
Sam Dastyari thought he could get away with the tax payer paying his personal phone bill of $15,175......Embarrassed after being caught out, he has agreed to pay it back...That is 3 times more than Bronwyn Bishops helicopter ride....What a bunch of hypocrites we have in the Labor Party.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...556777738?sv=94d7a739ca193c52bdfe85f1b9670ddd
Perhaps Labor powerbroker Sam Dastyari was making real, long-distance phone calls in his re-*enactment in ABC’s The Killing Season.
Diary can reveal Dastyari has racked up a personal phone bill of $15,175, which rises to $17,286 if you also include his office account, from January to June this year.
It’s an office expense that’s on par with most MPs but his personal phone bill is, well, obviously excessive and likely to top the list of politicians’ phone expenses.
When contacted about his phone bill, an apologetic and embarrassed Dastyari said he contacted the parliament to let them know he would pay for his own phone bill moving forward, taking himself off the public system so that in future taxpayers would not be billed for his phone calls. He has negotiated a new phone plan for a couple of hundred dollars a month. “I have to say, I now understand bill shock,” Dastyari told Diary. “While I have never apologised for being a workaholic, I certainly should be better at managing my phone. I can negotiate a better deal if I pay for it myself, so I will.”
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I can see how you could mistake a wad of cash for a cheque.
Garretts getting old, his memory is fading ....... so is his character.
Garretts getting old, his memory is fading ....... so is his character.
Well, it only took 24 hours after the Labor attack dogs stopped barking to discover who are the hypocrites.
Barnacle Bill has his wealth also associated with the Cayman Island.....
One would have thought those three idiots, Crean, Burke and Drayfus would have done their home work before opening their traps about Turnbull.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...aven-attack-dogs/story-e6frg6zo-1227569482197
Wealth of examples on both sides for the tax-haven attack dogs
The Australian
October 15, 2015 12:00AM
Bill Shorten won’t like to hear it, but some of his private wealth is being held by a fund with a registered trust in the Cayman Islands.
Worse, the Opposition Leader used to be a director of the fund that chose the outfit that uses the Caribbean tax haven.
It sounds scandalous. It is actually humdrum.
At the heart of Labor’s attack on Malcolm Turnbull yesterday was a simple smear.
Some of the Prime Minister’s fortune is held by global funds that have offices registered in the Cayman Islands — a known tax haven.
The clear suggestion is that he is trying to avoid tax. Labor offered no detail about the taxes that were being dodged. It simply suggested there was something wrong with using a fund with an address in the Caymans.
Yet there are thousands of funds registered in the Caymans — and some of them are looking after Shorten’s own retirement savings. They are also linked to the funds used by the Labor frontbenchers who led the attack on Turnbull yesterday, including Chris Bowen and Sam Dastyari.
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Like every Australian with a superannuation account, Shorten is relying on global fund managers to look after some of his savings. And that means relying on managers who use the Caymans.
In Shorten’s case, the super fund in question is one of the country’s biggest and most reliable: Australian Super.
It looks after more than $80 billion for two million *members.
It is strongly supported by the Australian Workers Union. Shorten was one of its directors before he entered parliament.
With all that money to look after, Australian Super has to delegate work to international fund managers.
These include CVC Euro Equity Partners, Goldman Sachs and Warburg Pincus.
All have funds registered in the Caymans.
Australian Super also uses IFM Investors, a successful Australian firm that invests in global infrastructure. IFM has two funds registered in the Caymans.
Unlike the Prime Minister, Shorten is not making personal decisions about putting millions of dollars into global funds.
But if the Cayman Islands are forbidden territory, did Shorten argue against using Goldman Sachs when he was a director of Australian Super 10 years ago?
Keep in mind that the directors of Australian Super today include ACTU secretary Dave Oliver, Australian Manufacturing Workers Union secretary Paul Bastian and Australian Workers Union secretary Scott McDine. If using the Caymans is so evil, should the Australian Super board put a stop to it?
Other Labor figures are exposed to funds in the Caymans. Labor MPs generally use industry super funds that are backed by *unions, which in turn rely on IFM Investors to manage their infrastructure assets.
IFM is chaired by Garry Weaven, one of the Labor heroes who set up today’s superannuation system. And IFM manages money for most of Australia’s industry funds — the ones used by most Labor MPs.
Bowen and Dastyari have their savings in Australian Super, just like Shorten.
None of this means that Australian Super, IFM Investors, the nation’s most senior union leaders, Weaven, Shorten or his frontbenchers are doing anything wrong. But nor does it mean that Turnbull has committed a crime.
The mere fact that a fund is registered in the Caymans is not a hanging offence. And everyone knows Turnbull is rich.
Labor needs a much better case if it wants to create a scandal around his wealth.
Barnacle Bill has his wealth also associated with the Cayman Island.....
One would have thought those three idiots, Crean, Burke and Drayfus would have done their home work before opening their traps about Turnbull.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...aven-attack-dogs/story-e6frg6zo-1227569482197
Wealth of examples on both sides for the tax-haven attack dogs
The Australian
October 15, 2015 12:00AM
Bill Shorten won’t like to hear it, but some of his private wealth is being held by a fund with a registered trust in the Cayman Islands.
Worse, the Opposition Leader used to be a director of the fund that chose the outfit that uses the Caribbean tax haven.
It sounds scandalous. It is actually humdrum.
At the heart of Labor’s attack on Malcolm Turnbull yesterday was a simple smear.
Some of the Prime Minister’s fortune is held by global funds that have offices registered in the Cayman Islands — a known tax haven.
The clear suggestion is that he is trying to avoid tax. Labor offered no detail about the taxes that were being dodged. It simply suggested there was something wrong with using a fund with an address in the Caymans.
Yet there are thousands of funds registered in the Caymans — and some of them are looking after Shorten’s own retirement savings. They are also linked to the funds used by the Labor frontbenchers who led the attack on Turnbull yesterday, including Chris Bowen and Sam Dastyari.
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MorePM under fire over tax
MoreBill’s dogs barking up wrong tree
End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar.
Like every Australian with a superannuation account, Shorten is relying on global fund managers to look after some of his savings. And that means relying on managers who use the Caymans.
In Shorten’s case, the super fund in question is one of the country’s biggest and most reliable: Australian Super.
It looks after more than $80 billion for two million *members.
It is strongly supported by the Australian Workers Union. Shorten was one of its directors before he entered parliament.
With all that money to look after, Australian Super has to delegate work to international fund managers.
These include CVC Euro Equity Partners, Goldman Sachs and Warburg Pincus.
All have funds registered in the Caymans.
Australian Super also uses IFM Investors, a successful Australian firm that invests in global infrastructure. IFM has two funds registered in the Caymans.
Unlike the Prime Minister, Shorten is not making personal decisions about putting millions of dollars into global funds.
But if the Cayman Islands are forbidden territory, did Shorten argue against using Goldman Sachs when he was a director of Australian Super 10 years ago?
Keep in mind that the directors of Australian Super today include ACTU secretary Dave Oliver, Australian Manufacturing Workers Union secretary Paul Bastian and Australian Workers Union secretary Scott McDine. If using the Caymans is so evil, should the Australian Super board put a stop to it?
Other Labor figures are exposed to funds in the Caymans. Labor MPs generally use industry super funds that are backed by *unions, which in turn rely on IFM Investors to manage their infrastructure assets.
IFM is chaired by Garry Weaven, one of the Labor heroes who set up today’s superannuation system. And IFM manages money for most of Australia’s industry funds — the ones used by most Labor MPs.
Bowen and Dastyari have their savings in Australian Super, just like Shorten.
None of this means that Australian Super, IFM Investors, the nation’s most senior union leaders, Weaven, Shorten or his frontbenchers are doing anything wrong. But nor does it mean that Turnbull has committed a crime.
The mere fact that a fund is registered in the Caymans is not a hanging offence. And everyone knows Turnbull is rich.
Labor needs a much better case if it wants to create a scandal around his wealth.
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Still hitting the theatrical button I see.
I have accounts in the Caymans, but I have yet to find a way of avoiding taxation
You seem to be dramatizing again I see....Tisme to the rescue of the 3 Fabians musketeers..
The Labor Party are playing high tech politics again with their stupid demands for the CHAFTA.
In the meantime the Greens are sitting back laughing their heads off, saying nothing and watching the Labor Party fall apart with their semantics on this CHAFTA and the failed attack on Turnbull's bank account...The Greens must be rubbing their hands with glee
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...570841485?sv=4d9007352cf21c8af9b0a2e79f4ae4ab
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Trade Minister Andrew Robb has promised to negotiate in “good faith’’ on Labor’s proposals.
The deal is expected to be debated in the House of Representatives next week and must be passed by Christmas for exporters to gain about $600 million in benefits from tariff cuts.
Ms Lambert said the TSMIT related to the market rates paid in an industry in a particular area and if the rate was below the threshold a company could not even apply for a 457 visa holder. Immigration Department figures show average wages in accommodation and food services in Queensland ($56,500) and Tasmania ($56,400) would not be sufficient to be able to access the 457 visa program under a $57,000 threshold. The industry in Victoria ($57,500) would just qualify. Many industries in the Northern Territory would be knocked out of the scheme, including retail trade ($56,900), agriculture, forestry and fishing ($55,800) and arts and recreation services ($56,800).
Ms Lambert was one of the authors of an independent review of the 457 visa program that recommended the TSMIT be frozen at $53,900 and be reviewed after two years, a recommendation the government accepted.
Ms Lambert said raising the threshold could have a major impact in regional areas where labour was short. For example if the chef at a Chinese restaurant left “where are you going to get your next chef?’’
“When you fiddle with it, it affects those businesses profoundly,’’ Ms Lambert said.
Conversely average wages in jobs that have been at the centre of the foreign worker row, such as those on major mining projects, are paid nearly triple the threshold.
Mining 457 visa holders have an average wage of $154,800, the average market rate across Australia.
Ms Lambert said about two thirds of the workers under the 457 visa scheme were not relevant to the current debate because they were either senior managers, chief executives or senior academics.
Opposition trade spokeswoman Penny Wong’s office said Labor’s proposals to improve safeguards around temporary migration had been released as exposure drafts so there could be consultation with stakeholders.
“The opposition will consider issues raised by the government, business and other stakeholders as we continue to develop our proposals,’’ the spokesman said.
In the meantime the Greens are sitting back laughing their heads off, saying nothing and watching the Labor Party fall apart with their semantics on this CHAFTA and the failed attack on Turnbull's bank account...The Greens must be rubbing their hands with glee
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...570841485?sv=4d9007352cf21c8af9b0a2e79f4ae4ab
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Trade Minister Andrew Robb has promised to negotiate in “good faith’’ on Labor’s proposals.
The deal is expected to be debated in the House of Representatives next week and must be passed by Christmas for exporters to gain about $600 million in benefits from tariff cuts.
Ms Lambert said the TSMIT related to the market rates paid in an industry in a particular area and if the rate was below the threshold a company could not even apply for a 457 visa holder. Immigration Department figures show average wages in accommodation and food services in Queensland ($56,500) and Tasmania ($56,400) would not be sufficient to be able to access the 457 visa program under a $57,000 threshold. The industry in Victoria ($57,500) would just qualify. Many industries in the Northern Territory would be knocked out of the scheme, including retail trade ($56,900), agriculture, forestry and fishing ($55,800) and arts and recreation services ($56,800).
Ms Lambert was one of the authors of an independent review of the 457 visa program that recommended the TSMIT be frozen at $53,900 and be reviewed after two years, a recommendation the government accepted.
Ms Lambert said raising the threshold could have a major impact in regional areas where labour was short. For example if the chef at a Chinese restaurant left “where are you going to get your next chef?’’
“When you fiddle with it, it affects those businesses profoundly,’’ Ms Lambert said.
Conversely average wages in jobs that have been at the centre of the foreign worker row, such as those on major mining projects, are paid nearly triple the threshold.
Mining 457 visa holders have an average wage of $154,800, the average market rate across Australia.
Ms Lambert said about two thirds of the workers under the 457 visa scheme were not relevant to the current debate because they were either senior managers, chief executives or senior academics.
Opposition trade spokeswoman Penny Wong’s office said Labor’s proposals to improve safeguards around temporary migration had been released as exposure drafts so there could be consultation with stakeholders.
“The opposition will consider issues raised by the government, business and other stakeholders as we continue to develop our proposals,’’ the spokesman said.
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I see Andrew Robb is very happy with Labor offering to greenlight so long as local workers are protected....wasn't that the bogey in the first place which Abbott and his mob found totally unsatisfactory? 
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I see Andrew Robb is very happy with Labor offering to greenlight so long as local workers are protected....wasn't that the bogey in the first place which Abbott and his mob found totally unsatisfactory?
Change the leader and you change the policy
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Change the leader and you change the policy
You think maybe we are getting a head of steam up ...whoo hoo!!
The Fabians won't like the latest poll and serves them right after the personal attacks on Turnbull......The Labor Party are not very bright when you come to think of it.....They do not seem to learn from their mistakes....Gutter tactics, in most cases, tend to back fire and it has certainly shown up in the latest poll.
Time for a double disillusion and weed out the dregs in the senate at the same time.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/29843466/coalition-trouncing-labor-poll-shows/
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten is under renewed pressure as a new opinion poll shows a revitalised coalition under Malcolm Turnbull is trouncing Labor.
The latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll, published in The Age and Sydney Morning Herald on Monday, shows Labor's primary vote has plummeted to 30 per cent against the coalition's 45 per cent.
Just two months ago, the gap was 38-36 in the coalition's favour.
The Greens' vote has also taken a hit - down from 16 per cent two months ago to 14 per cent.
On a two-party preferred basis the coalition is ahead 53-47, based on second preferences from the 2013 federal election.
The government has not led Labor in the Fairfax-Ipsos poll since March 2014.
The net approval rating for performance also has Mr Turnbull well in front of Mr Shorten.
Time for a double disillusion and weed out the dregs in the senate at the same time.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/29843466/coalition-trouncing-labor-poll-shows/
Opposition Leader Bill Shorten is under renewed pressure as a new opinion poll shows a revitalised coalition under Malcolm Turnbull is trouncing Labor.
The latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll, published in The Age and Sydney Morning Herald on Monday, shows Labor's primary vote has plummeted to 30 per cent against the coalition's 45 per cent.
Just two months ago, the gap was 38-36 in the coalition's favour.
The Greens' vote has also taken a hit - down from 16 per cent two months ago to 14 per cent.
On a two-party preferred basis the coalition is ahead 53-47, based on second preferences from the 2013 federal election.
The government has not led Labor in the Fairfax-Ipsos poll since March 2014.
The net approval rating for performance also has Mr Turnbull well in front of Mr Shorten.
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I'm guessing it takes some time for the vitriol to get out of the system..... now Tony has gone we can only hope the level of debate will rise and the hate divides close from all quarters.
The ALP need to forget the smoking guns
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Labor made it all about Abbott, rather than the coalition as a whole, now they are left with an empty gun.
They really have run a narrowly focused and poorly directed campaign, they will have to work very hard, to recover ground. IMO
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Abbott's policies are still hanging around despite the new packaging.
No change on carbon price, it's coal over solar, no attempt to crack down on /negative gearing rorts or super tax concessions for high income earners etc.
If these policies don't change then it could cost the Coalition.
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Now that's where you and I might disagree ... I'm not aware of any policies
agendas yes, but policy vacuum is probably more accurate
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Well Fairfax, even with their pro Labor agenda, don't think so.
They wouldn't have published the results, if they weren't happy with it, they would have put a negative spin on it.IMO
The crackdown on negative gearing and super tax concessions, could have been addressed by Labor, but they didn't, so that isn't a problem.
With regard carbon price, the major players are now taking an active interest in addressing it, so everyone else will fall in line.
Which from my perspective, is better than Australia, standing out there flaying themselves, saying"look at at me".
Immature Government, with inept management, very focused on self projection.
Paul Kelly sums up the situation that faces the Labor Party since Malcolm Turnbull became PM.
Labor still seems to be deluding themselves that they have all the answers but voters think otherwise.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...576157009?sv=af3e2a851a55811beeeadbde54ae4454
The Turnbull ascendancy raises the prospect of renewed crisis inside the Labor Party with the tables now turned dramatically and Labor facing a possible battering by the opinion polls in a process guaranteed to expose its systemic flaws.
All the destructive forces of contemporary Australian politics remain in place — polls, media and the panic threshold for MPs — the only difference is that, having driven a change of prime minister, this threat is likely to be unleashed against Labor.
A moderate honeymoon for Malcolm Turnbull will be enough to shatter the delusional world in which Labor has lived for past 18 months.
The upshot is equally pre*dictable — instead of focusing on its underlying problems in terms of structure, culture and policy, Labor will merely target Bill Shorten.
While an unpopular Tony Abbott was prime minister, Shorten enjoyed a “reality holiday” — able to pretend Labor’s house was in order by sheltering behind favourable polls that reflected Liberal flaws, not Labor strengths. The holiday may be over — if Turnbull keeps his ascendancy.
This will probably happen because the public’s “performance test” for prime ministers is now set low.
The public will not expect Turnbull to offer transformational policies any time soon. Indeed, it will be relieved to see hopeful, stable government. It knows this is still a first-term government. There is every chance Turnbull will look good and be welcomed by the public for passing such elementary tests.
Labor remains almost completely unreconstructed from the Rudd-Gillard era and, even worse, as a political institution it may be incapable of being reconstructed short of any comparable figure such as a Whitlam, Hawke or Keating emerging to do the job.
The risk for Labor is that Turnbull firms in the polls over the next period. If the trend in this week’s Fairfax/ Ipsos poll is reinforced by future Newspolls, then Labor will face external pressures and internal frustrations.
READ MORE PLUS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
Labor still seems to be deluding themselves that they have all the answers but voters think otherwise.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...576157009?sv=af3e2a851a55811beeeadbde54ae4454
The Turnbull ascendancy raises the prospect of renewed crisis inside the Labor Party with the tables now turned dramatically and Labor facing a possible battering by the opinion polls in a process guaranteed to expose its systemic flaws.
All the destructive forces of contemporary Australian politics remain in place — polls, media and the panic threshold for MPs — the only difference is that, having driven a change of prime minister, this threat is likely to be unleashed against Labor.
A moderate honeymoon for Malcolm Turnbull will be enough to shatter the delusional world in which Labor has lived for past 18 months.
The upshot is equally pre*dictable — instead of focusing on its underlying problems in terms of structure, culture and policy, Labor will merely target Bill Shorten.
While an unpopular Tony Abbott was prime minister, Shorten enjoyed a “reality holiday” — able to pretend Labor’s house was in order by sheltering behind favourable polls that reflected Liberal flaws, not Labor strengths. The holiday may be over — if Turnbull keeps his ascendancy.
This will probably happen because the public’s “performance test” for prime ministers is now set low.
The public will not expect Turnbull to offer transformational policies any time soon. Indeed, it will be relieved to see hopeful, stable government. It knows this is still a first-term government. There is every chance Turnbull will look good and be welcomed by the public for passing such elementary tests.
Labor remains almost completely unreconstructed from the Rudd-Gillard era and, even worse, as a political institution it may be incapable of being reconstructed short of any comparable figure such as a Whitlam, Hawke or Keating emerging to do the job.
The risk for Labor is that Turnbull firms in the polls over the next period. If the trend in this week’s Fairfax/ Ipsos poll is reinforced by future Newspolls, then Labor will face external pressures and internal frustrations.
READ MORE PLUS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
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I agree with those comments noco.
Labor need to reinvent themselves. They need better people in Parliament. Too many union hacks and factional warlords.
If they do not, it will be the Greens who will become the opposition party in 10 years time.
Labor need to reinvent themselves. They need better people in Parliament. Too many union hacks and factional warlords.
If they do not, it will be the Greens who will become the opposition party in 10 years time.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-...ating-to-trade-union-royal-commission/6870756
The bait is very smelly and the hook is very sharp. But wait .... John Holland says it cannot locate the incriminating documents ?? Hmmmmmmmmm ...
“Quoth Hudibras, I smell a rat!
Ralpho, thou dost prevaricate.”
―Samuel Butler (poet)