Useless Labor Party

[noco]

Conroy was almost the worst example of someone totally unfit for public office, though it's a close competition in the ALP for that title.

Mr.Burns what else would you expect from the Green/Labor socialist left.....The majority of Labor MPs are ex union hacks with absolutely no knowledge in the fundamentals of how a business in run....The NBN was worked out on the back of a serviette.....There was no business plan.....no accurate costings.....and no cost benefit.

 

[SirRumpole]

Mr.Burns what else would you expect from the Green/Labor socialist left.....The majority of Labor MPs are ex union hacks with absolutely no knowledge in the fundamentals of how a business in run....The NBN was worked out on the back of a serviette.....There was no business plan.....no accurate costings.....and no cost benefit.

Ha what a joke.

Abbott, almost sacked by his own party, has gone back on so many promises he can't remember what he did say or didn't and now suffers from permanent spine curvature (what spine he has which is not much), from all the backflips. First supported an iron ore enquiry then did another backflip after being sat on by his real bosses in the BHP boardroom.

And lets not forget the pathetic PPL scheme he had to back down on.


Hockey, couldn't manage to get his first Budget through the Senate and was forced into an embarrassing backdown, turning from a tiger to a kitten in less than a year.

Kevin Andrews sacked from the Health portfolio for incompetence, and then given Defence God help us.

David Johnston sacked from Defence for incompetence.

What a right lot of Charlies.

 

[sydboy007]

I thought it was nope, nope, nope to people smugglers....you seem to be in a muddle with your rhetoric.

The Useless Labor Party costs us over $11 billion with their stupid policy on open borders and we are still counting.

Very true, but the same effect when considered in his no changes EVER under a Liberal Govt to super taxation. Not sure how that's sustainable.

How much has the baby bonus cost us? How much tax free super for the over 60s? How much from the unsustainable income tax cuts from the Howard years? How much did the poorly managed asset sales from the Howard years cost us? Buildings sold and leased back at rents that cost more than the sale price within 5-7 years.

The we have the Abbott budget. Raising an extra $20B in tax and cutting the deficit by just $6B. Talk about high tax and spending, the largest such Govt spending spree since the GFC, and at least Labor was facing the largest drop in global economic activity in a couple of generations. In the last 30 years, there have been 10 occasions when the tax to GDP ratio has been below 22.0 per cent of GDP and all 10 were under a Labor Government. In terms of government spending, there have been only five years in the four decades leading up to 2012-13 when government spending was cut in real terms. None of those cuts were delivered by a Coalition government. There there have been only seven occasions where the tax to GDP ratio has been in excess of 23.5 per cent of GDP all occurred under a Liberal Govt. Hows does this tally with the myth of liberal economic exceptionalism?

 

[noco]

Very true, but the same effect when considered in his no changes EVER under a Liberal Govt to super taxation. Not sure how that's sustainable.

How much has the baby bonus cost us? How much tax free super for the over 60s? How much from the unsustainable income tax cuts from the Howard years? How much did the poorly managed asset sales from the Howard years cost us? Buildings sold and leased back at rents that cost more than the sale price within 5-7 years.

The we have the Abbott budget. Raising an extra $20B in tax and cutting the deficit by just $6B. Talk about high tax and spending, the largest such Govt spending spree since the GFC, and at least Labor was facing the largest drop in global economic activity in a couple of generations. In the last 30 years, there have been 10 occasions when the tax to GDP ratio has been below 22.0 per cent of GDP and all 10 were under a Labor Government. In terms of government spending, there have been only five years in the four decades leading up to 2012-13 when government spending was cut in real terms. None of those cuts were delivered by a Coalition government. There there have been only seven occasions where the tax to GDP ratio has been in excess of 23.5 per cent of GDP all occurred under a Liberal Govt. Hows does this tally with the myth of liberal economic exceptionalism?

How much did the Green/Labor socialist left wing cost us in borrowings on hare brain schemes of over priced school halls ans pink bats during their term in office 2007/2013......$300 billion?...$400 billion?..and if they had still been in office it would have blown out to $667 billion.

Oh I see, you don't want to talk about the Labor inefficiencies...What a shame.

 

[MrBurns]

How much did the Green/Labor socialist left wing cost us in borrowings on hare brain schemes of over priced school halls ans pink bats during their term in office 2007/2013......$300 billion?...$400 billion?..and if they had still been in office it would have blown out to $667 billion.

Oh I see, you don't want to talk about the Labor inefficiencies...What a shame.

Not only that but here in Vic dopey Andrews kicks off proceedings with a $1B handout to developers NOT to build a road. In the meantime car rego is $750, enough for many poorer people to buy another car, and property stamp duty is theft at present levels.
No, politics isn't good at present, but the ALP stands out as the most incompetent party at all levels, they would be deregistered if there was any justice.

 

[trainspotter]

VThe we have the Abbott budget. Raising an extra $20B in tax and cutting the deficit by just $6B. Talk about high tax and spending, the largest such Govt spending spree since the GFC, and at least Labor was facing the largest drop in global economic activity in a couple of generations. In the last 30 years, there have been 10 occasions when the tax to GDP ratio has been below 22.0 per cent of GDP and all 10 were under a Labor Government. In terms of government spending, there have been only five years in the four decades leading up to 2012-13 when government spending was cut in real terms. None of those cuts were delivered by a Coalition government. There there have been only seven occasions where the tax to GDP ratio has been in excess of 23.5 per cent of GDP all occurred under a Liberal Govt. Hows does this tally with the myth of liberal economic exceptionalism?

Got a link to back up these statements syd? I know you are correct but a verification from an independent source would be nice. I do remember posting not that long ago that the AVERAGE tax to GDP was LESS under a LIBERAL government. Ooopsies ... cherry picking again.

Anyone remember the 64 GP Super Clinics we were promised by Labor in the 2010 election? Anyone care to tell me how many of them were actually built and how much money was wasted?

Just the tip of the iceberg on the WASTE and BROKEN PROMISES by Labor so PLEASE let's not go down that winding path as I am sure that LABOR has the monopoly on this score.

 

[sydboy007]

How much did the Green/Labor socialist left wing cost us in borrowings on hare brain schemes of over priced school halls ans pink bats during their term in office 2007/2013......$300 billion?...$400 billion?..and if they had still been in office it would have blown out to $667 billion.

Oh I see, you don't want to talk about the Labor inefficiencies...What a shame.

How much of the deficit was caused by the unsustainable spending spree of the Howard years. tax cuts are pretty much forever. At least Labor was smart enough to do one off spending increases to get through the GFC. Have you forgotten that the Abbott Govt is 2 budgets and 2 deficits. Their forecasts are unicorns and pixie dust laced with no hope of being achieved, yet they're not projecting to get to break-even till end of the decade. Abbott made balancing the budget sound so easy in opposition, heck even Pyne crowed that the Liberals would have run surpluses through the GFC, so what's changed? Why have the Liberals continued to add debt and more debt? Why haven't they followed in labor's footsteps and kept the growth in spending less than CPI? $20B in extra tax and only $6B loped off the budget deficit. Spend spend spend says Abbott and give me a go at a second term.

Not only that but here in Vic dopey Andrews kicks off proceedings with a $1B handout to developers NOT to build a road. In the meantime car rego is $750, enough for many poorer people to buy another car, and property stamp duty is theft at present levels.
No, politics isn't good at present, but the ALP stands out as the most incompetent party at all levels, they would be deregistered if there was any justice.

* Labor signaled they would not build the road before the state election.

* Voters showed strong polling intent to vote Labor

* Liberal Govt thumbs it's nose at democracy and for no economic reason rushes to sign contracts to build the $1M per meter tunnel that would generate a sub economic return of $45c in the $ - why do you support he building of sub economic infrastructure??

* Documents released now show the Liberals knew the project was subeconomic and were unwilling to submit it to Infrastructure Australia for fear of the negative press it would generate

* Liberal Government then signs a secret agreement with the contract holders basically tying the new Govts hands in terms of compensation.

So you're saying that you fully support what the Liberals did pre the election and that the whole issue is purely due to Labor? How one eyed can you be. How can you support the Liberals for pushing through when they had no clear mandate, when in effect the election gave a resounding mandate for Labor to not proceed with the project? The Vic Liberals should hold their heads in shame for what they did. I'm hoping Labor decides to do an Abbott-esq witch-hunt and RC into what the State and Federal Libs did, what correspondence was done with the various companies bidding on the contract. I'm sure it would make for very interesting reading.

Vic Labor should introduce the Liberal Road Scandal tax to registrations to help fund the loss of money, and remind Victorians of how poorly the Liberals treated them.

 

[sydboy007]

Got a link to back up these statements syd? I know you are correct but a verification from an independent source would be nice. I do remember posting not that long ago that the AVERAGE tax to GDP was LESS under a LIBERAL government. Ooopsies ... cherry picking again.

Anyone remember the 64 GP Super Clinics we were promised by Labor in the 2010 election? Anyone care to tell me how many of them were actually built and how much money was wasted?

Just the tip of the iceberg on the WASTE and BROKEN PROMISES by Labor so PLEASE let's not go down that winding path as I am sure that LABOR has the monopoly on this score.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...f-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1426163692

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-12/dunlop-the-myth-of-coalition-economic-management/6308704

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/13/myth-of-coalition-govts-howard-the-biggest-spender-of-all/

I wish I could find an article I read that really hacked into the economic credentials of Howard, especially the sale and leaseback of buildings that left tax payers financially dudded for decades, and IT projects reminiscent of QLD Labor and IBM.

Care to backup you claims that Labor has a monopoly on broken promises. Do you know how many Abbott has already broken?

Hey remember when Howard claimed interest rates would always be lower under the Liberals, then he continued to spend spend spend while the economy was overheating and the RBA jacked interest rates up so mortgage hit 9%? An extra 1% interest on over a trillion dollars of debt. Those high interest rates also crushed loval manufacturing.

Now if that extra mortgage interest had been added to the federal deficit people might realise how dudded they were, and that the Liberals are not really that savvy when it comes to other people's money

 

[noco]

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...f-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1426163692

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-12/dunlop-the-myth-of-coalition-economic-management/6308704

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/13/myth-of-coalition-govts-howard-the-biggest-spender-of-all/

I wish I could find an article I read that really hacked into the economic credentials of Howard, especially the sale and leaseback of buildings that left tax payers financially dudded for decades, and IT projects reminiscent of QLD Labor and IBM.

Care to backup you claims that Labor has a monopoly on broken promises. Do you know how many Abbott has already broken?

Hey remember when Howard claimed interest rates would always be lower under the Liberals, then he continued to spend spend spend while the economy was overheating and the RBA jacked interest rates up so mortgage hit 9%? An extra 1% interest on over a trillion dollars of debt. Those high interest rates also crushed loval manufacturing.

Now if that extra mortgage interest had been added to the federal deficit people might realise how dudded they were, and that the Liberals are not really that savvy when it comes to other people's money

What a lot of rubbish you have come up with.

Those articles are all associated with left wing columnist, so what else would you expect?
The Drum part of the left wing ABC......Tim Dunlop writes for the Drum...Cricket....Oz Politics are all left wing organizations....Of course it would be so easy for them to fabricate these false stories...I hope the ASF readers take it all with a grain of salt.

Very clever Sydboy but it won't work with me.

Responding to the IMF report, shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, who was a minister for financial services in the Howard government, said the Coalition left Labor with a $20 billion surplus and no net debt.

"It was not John Howard and Peter Costello who wasted billions of taxpayer dollars on dangerous pink batts and overpriced school halls, it was this Labor government," he said.

 

[SirRumpole]

Responding to the IMF report, shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, who was a minister for financial services in the Howard government, said the Coalition left Labor with a $20 billion surplus and no net debt.

"It was not John Howard and Peter Costello who wasted billions of taxpayer dollars on dangerous pink batts and overpriced school halls, it was this Labor government," he said.

And what else would you expect from a Right Wing neo con Tory ?

 

[Tisme]

And what else would you expect from a Right Wing neo con Tory ?

I think the predilection of the govt lads to bare face lie, denigrate and talk down Australia when in opposition leaves them with no authority to speak truthfully about anything. They are simply untrustworthy, more so than bygone politicians IMO. It seems political colours are more important to some voters than the stature of the individual with a bum on a parliamentary seat.

 

[SirRumpole]

It seems political colours are more important to some voters than the stature of the individual with a bum on a parliamentary seat.

Definitely the perceived "least worst" option is being selected by a large number of voters, and many still vote one way because their parents did etc, or for a perception that Liberals stand for "freedom" (while bringing down draconian privacy invading metadata bull$hite laws) and that Labor stands for Socialist oppression.

Remind you of anyone ?

 

[sydboy007]

What a lot of rubbish you have come up with.

Those articles are all associated with left wing columnist, so what else would you expect?
The Drum part of the left wing ABC......Tim Dunlop writes for the Drum...Cricket....Oz Politics are all left wing organizations....Of course it would be so easy for them to fabricate these false stories...I hope the ASF readers take it all with a grain of salt.

Very clever Sydboy but it won't work with me.

Responding to the IMF report, shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, who was a minister for financial services in the Howard government, said the Coalition left Labor with a $20 billion surplus and no net debt.

"It was not John Howard and Peter Costello who wasted billions of taxpayer dollars on dangerous pink batts and overpriced school halls, it was this Labor government," he said.

No. it was John Howard who set spending at unsustainable levels. As can be seen by how difficult it is to get even small changes made to reduce spending, it's very easy to throw the money away, much harder to stop the loss of revenue.

The surpluses under howard were too small. More money should have been saved. Howard and Costello needed to educate the public that the revenue coming in was a one off, that tax cuts and spending increases year after year were not good for the long term budget. Instead we had far to much wasteful spending. Instead of Howard saving more he spent it, leaving the RBA to jack up interest rates to try and cool the economy, leading to a massively overvalued AUD that decimated local manufacturing.

Chile was able to save plenty from the copper boom. Heck even Russia was able to set aside large chunks of money from the oil boom. The lucky country decided to expand middle class welfare on a whitlam esq scale. Do a bit of research outside The Australian and Fox News and you'll start to get a better understanding.

It was John Howard who gave us the USAUS FTA where we're out of pocket some $200M+ a year in PBS payments. It was John Howard who signed us up for the Iraq war, costing $2.5B and counting, with how many returned soldiers lives damaged?? It was John Howard who signed up for the JSF, and now Abbott doubling down on a fighter jet where over 100 have bene built but not one is ready for military operations. the JSF can't even fly on a cloudy day, it can't fly near clouds or lightning - it can explode if struck - so pilots are instructed to keep 30kms away from any inclement weather. So close to vicotry but the rain lead to defeat.

From the green left daily: http://www.news.com.au/technology/i...ity-combat-risks/story-fnpjxnlk-1227269104114

The DoD Quality Assurance Assessment, released late last week, states that 21 out of 462 specification requirements were unlikely to be met under the program’s already heavily revised and delayed delivery schedule.

But it’s what those 21 specifications are that raise alarm bells.

“Examples of these 21 requirements included: Maintainability, manoeuvrability, payload requirements, ballistic vulnerability, and ... internal gun accuracy,” the DoD report reads. “However, Lockheed Martin did not consider these 21 requirements as risks and did not handle them in accordance with its risk management process.

For some more issues - http://www.alternet.org/fail-400-billion-military-jet-cant-fly-cloudy-weather

If the Pilot Can Eject, He'll Be Lucky Not to Drown

The report's executive summary gives a sense of what some of the "current restrictions" of the F-35 are:

Aircraft operating limitations prohibit flying the aircraft at night or in instrument meteorological conditions, hence pilots must avoid clouds and other weather. These restrictions are in place because testing has not been completed to certify the aircraft for night and instrument flight.

The aircraft also is currently prohibited from flying close formation, aerobatics, and stalls, all of which would normally be in the familiarization phase of transition training?.

The F-35A does not yet have the capability to train in these phases, nor any actual combat capability, because it is still early in system development.

Also, little can be learned from evaluating training in a system this immature?.

The radar, the pilot's helmet-mounted display (HMD), and the cockpit interfaces for controlling the radios and navigational functions should be improved.

The report also notes that the pilot escape system is not yet reliable, especially if a pilot were to eject over water.

So why would an economically responsible Government increase their order by 58? Remember it was Howard who did the initial order and it's Abbott that's gone all the way with JSF.

 

[noco]

And what else would you expect from a Right Wing neo con Tory ?

Responding to the IMF report, shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, who was a minister for financial services in the Howard government, said the Coalition left Labor with a $20 billion surplus and no net debt.

"It was not John Howard and Peter Costello who wasted billions of taxpayer dollars on dangerous pink batts and overpriced school halls, it was this Labor government," he said.

The above statement was made by Peter Martin another left wing socialist.

 

[explod]

Noco, re-read the first two para's of Sydboy's last post.

You are biased and selective ole pal.

 

[noco]

Noco, re-read the first two para's of Sydboy's last post.

You are biased and selective ole pal.

Hmmmm....I would say it is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[IFocus]

How much did the Green/Labor socialist left wing cost us in borrowings on hare brain schemes of over priced school halls ans pink bats during their term in office 2007/2013......$300 billion?...$400 billion?..and if they had still been in office it would have blown out to $667 billion.

Oh I see, you don't want to talk about the Labor inefficiencies...What a shame.

GFC was $40 bil..............current Coalition spends same as Labors during the GFC............Liberals has totally loss control

 

[explod]

Hmmmm....I would say it is the pot calling the kettle black.

And again dodging the question.

 

[noco]

GFC was $40 bil..............current Coalition spends same as Labors during the GFC............Liberals has totally loss control

You are dreaming

 

[sydboy007]

Hmmmm....I would say it is the pot calling the kettle black.

So Noco, what are you views on Abbott increasing the order for the JSF? Another 58 of them.

Remember this is a plane that's had 100 produced and not one certified to do much but look pretty on the ground and fly in clear weather.

Would you increase an order of the fighter jets before it was clear that all the issues that have been highlighted in multiple reports were resolved, or at least shown to have a resolution?

You condemn Labor for looking at producing the next gen of subs in Australia, but seem to be OK with Abbott spending an extra $12B, though the end purchase price will be much higher as the cost of each jet just keeps on going up. What sane person would commit to spending that much money when the risks are so high? The cost for each jet was already over budget by 93% in 2012, and things have only gotten worse since.

Even Liberal members think Abbott has made a huge mistake. Liberal MP Dennis Jensen has attacked the party for not having the balls to cancel the order. He should know as he was a former defence department analyst.

Me thinks it was a very very expensive photo opp for the PM