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Ukraine War

When you say "paying for it" do you mean funding them with no ties or interest?

I think the Vatican's support is most significant.

"As of March 2022, The Vatican has sent two Cardinals to Ukraine to provide “material and spiritual support” to the Ukrainian people"
 

UN chief Guterres holds press conference with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov​

So many topics, genocide, peace, climate change, human rights, UN issues, NATO's proxy war,banning of Russian language in Ukraine to the Taliban and much, much more.
Wow, just wow... FM Lavrov certainly knows how to spin it in favour of Russia especially around 17:30 mins onwards.

 
By the way, if anyone thinks it was Ukrainian missiles that sunk that Russian ship, think again.
Alternatively, read what experts have to say rather than a random poster boy at ASF:
"The United States is now confirming that the Ukrainians did indeed fire Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs) which led to the sinking of the Russian cruiser MOSKVA, flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet."​
 

I'm not sure if it was the poor translation or not, but that's just a rambling mess.
 
A viper on a soapbox is still a viper
 
We're reaching an inflection point when the proxy war turns into direct action between NATO and Russia. Then, China gets involved.

I wonder if in 5 years time we look back and see that Russia started WW3. I hope not.


In the Oz:

'Immediate proportional response': Russia warns UK

JACQUELIN MAGNAY

Australia was one of 40 countries agreeing to help Ukraine’s short term military needs and long term security issues at a United States-led meeting at the US defence airbase Ramstein in Germany overnight (AEST).

But the gathering – the first of proposed monthly meetings to bring together democratic and friendly countries to help thwart Russia’s aggression – was overshadowed by a sudden escalation in tensions between Moscow and London.

Britain's Armed Forces Minister James Heappey said it was completely legitimate for Ukraine to use British-donated weapons to attack Russian targets in Russia. He said such attacks on Russian supply lines would not necessarily be a problem.

“It’s completely legitimate for Ukraine to be targeting in Russia’s depth in order to disrupt the logistics that if they weren’t disrupted would directly contribute to death and carnage on Ukrainian soil,” Heappey said.

But Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov warned Britain of conducting a proxy war, saying if London and NATO allies continued to help Ukraine strike targets in Russia there would be “an immediate proportional response”.

Several oil and fuel depots in Bryansk, 100km inside Russian territory, and Belgorod, about 30km from the border have been attacked in recent days.

Lavrov said NATO countries were “pouring oil on the fire” by providing weapons, warning of “World War III”.

When asked directly about the possibility of a nuclear war, Lavrov replied: “The risks are very significant. I do not want the danger to be artificially inflated [but] it is serious, real. It cannot be underestimated.”
 
With the West’s combined spend in helping Ukraine passing the USA’s spend on the Afghan war, how much dry powder is available for all out war?
Rhetorical question if the nukes fall, but I do wonder what our, Australia’s cost will ultimately be, e.g. wasn’t payroll tax, introduced in 1941 to help with the war effort?
 
With Russia now playing another card, cutting gas to Poland, and destroying as much Ukrainian infrastructure, especially oil storage and railway system, it looks like a long period of attrition setting in. Expensive fuel for Europe while the Russians will have an advantage (if they can't sell it!).

On the Afghanistan war cost, I remember seeing a photo of line of petrol tankers snaking up the Khyber Pass, and reading that it took a tanker of fuel ex- Karachi to deliver a Jerry can to the front line. Such were the strained supply lines. Imagine how quickly a chopper or tank chewed through the juice.
 

When total war is declared then the national economy switches to the war effort. The government can sieze just about any asset they need to fund the war. Geez, they could intern people from the enemy's side if they wanted, which happened during previous WWs. If Russia declared war against NATO (which I don't think they will) then all Russian assets could be siezed by the government. This is where China will get into trouble if they try to take Taiwan by force. They have so many assets abroad owned by CCP affiliated cronies, they will be materially effected on a national level. Imagine Chinese owned mines being shut down around the World. Globalism has been great for China, but globalism may be their undoing also.
 
The UN SG had his first meeting with Vlad yesterday, a month after Russia invaded a sovereign nation and has killed thousands of civilians including women and children. The UN is a useless piece of crap while the P5 have veto powers to sanctions.

 
This is similar to how WW2 started in the Pacific. The analogy is reliance of energy supplies from other countries. In this case, it's Russia cutting off energy to the EU / NATO. Internal politics in Poland and Bulgaria will mean they have to respond. Do they acquiesce to Russia, or do they double down on support for Ukraine and seek back up from the EU? I think they've hitched their wagon to the EU and NATO. A concerning escalation.


Ukraine-Russia war: Russia cuts gas supplies to two NATO countries​

Vladimir Putin has begun ‘gas blackmail’ halting supplies to two European countries. It comes amid a new Russia threat against the UK.

Zoe Smith, Merryn Johns and AFP

Russia’s gas giant Gazprom has told Poland and highly dependent Bulgaria that it will halt its shipments of Russian gas to the two countries within hours.

“Bulgargaz received a notification today, April 26, that natural gas supplies from Gazprom Export will be suspended starting April 27,” Bulgaria’s economy ministry said late Tuesday local time in a statement.

“The Bulgarian side has fully met its obligations and has made all payments required under its current contract in a timely manner, strictly and in accordance with its terms,” it added.

Poland’s PGNiG gas firm also announced Tuesday that “On April 26, 2022, Gazprom informed PGNiG of its intention to completely suspend deliveries under the Yamal contract... on April 27.” The Polish operator said “all deliveries to customers are being made according to their demand”.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak accused Moscow of “beginning the gas blackmail of Europe”.

“Russia is trying to shatter the unity of our allies,” he said.

“Russia is also proving that energy resources are a weapon.

“That is why the EU needs to be united and impose an embargo on energy resources, depriving the Russians of their energy weapons.”
 
Further update to my previous post from this tweet:

As people joke in replies to
@the_ins_ru
- it is safer to be a trooper in the Ukrainian defense forces than a Gazprombank top manager
 
this is somewhat alarming, as the numerical strength just isn't there in the East to hold and to successfully ambush with Javelins and other anti-tank weapons.

From ISW:
 
this is somewhat alarming, as the numerical strength just isn't there in the East to hold and to successfully ambush with Javelins and other anti-tank weapons.

From ISW:

Yes, I think they'll be in trouble until Russia get up to the river. That will be an obstacle they won't be able to cross as the Ukrainians will probably destroy all the bridges as a last resort. I think this was always Russia's plan. Attacking Kiev from the N and W was a feint to divert Ukrainian effort from the real objective, to steal the Russian speaking part of Ukraine, pretty much everything east of Dnipro.
 
Six Australian M777 howitzers sent to Ukraine have arrived into Poland.

Economic relief for Ukraine from the EU and UK


 
I am still amazed at how poor the Russian military has performed. It is pleasing on one level but like a cornered rabid dog there's no knowing what will happen, until the end -

 
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