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U.S. Presidential Election 2020

Who will win the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 12 44.4%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 15 55.6%
  • Kanye West

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
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They only reason why this ridiculous conversation about electoral fraud is running is because Donald Trump decided from the beginning of his run that the only way he could lose was by electoral fraud. He ran that line in 2016 but of course he won. So there couldn't have been fraud could there ?

In 2020 he sowed the seeds of "electoral fraud" from the start of his campaign. This was the "only way he was going to lose". He watered those seeds at every opportunity creating the mindset amongst supporters that "if he lost it was all rigged".

The election came. Trump (not necessarily the Republican Party ) suffered a clear loss. The margins in all the seats are far too big to overcome with minor electoral vote issues. So Donald announced that this apparent loss meant the election was a fraud and demanded that his followers find the evidence that would back up this new reality. Naturally every true Trump supporter found/created any possible story that could undermine the results. Dead voters, missing ballots, found ballots, computers that would switch votes - whatever it took.

Most of these stories have been identified as completely false. To date there has been no evidence for widespread fraud of the sort that could impact the current voter margins.

What I found interesting was the Georgian Secretary of State response to the pressure from Trump to roll over on the votes.

'Integrity still matters': the unlikely Republican standing up to Trump's voter fraud lies
The Georgia secretary of state tells the Guardian he’s received death threats for pushing back against the president’s claims

...“I’m a conservative Republican. Yes, I wanted President Trump to win. But as secretary of state we have to do our job,” he said in an interview with the Guardian. “I’m gonna walk that fine, straight, line with integrity. I think that integrity still matters.”

He added there were 24,000 Republicans who voted by mail in Georgia’s primary, but did not turn out to vote in November. Those voters didn’t vote again in November, Raffensperger suggested, because Trump railed against voting by mail.

“Voters listened to the president, they didn’t show up,” he said. “That would have been a 10,000 person cushion that President Trump would have had if those folks would have come back out. They just stayed at home.”

“Democrats really strongly pushed it,” he added. “I hope that, as a Republican, our party becomes very active.
 
The Death of Satire. Why it is impossible to make satirical observations about politicians whose absurdities make satire meaningless.


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Donald Trump has invited Michigan Republicans leaders to the White House to see if they will overturn the electoral results and install Trump supporters in the electoral college. In 2016 Trump won Michigan by 10,700 votes. He lost this election by 153,000 votes.
Breathtaking treason..

 
This video shows the insanity that is driving Trump supporters to declare that their President won in a landslide with 410 electoral votes and that the election was stolen.

It is a total fabrication. Yet it is reported as news by the OAN (One America Network) which Trump is now promoting as the new source of information for his followers.



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Fact checking this story
 
Trump will stay in

Voter Fraud evidence will be laid out shortly.

"Massive Election Fraud" is Provable Says Trump Campaign





The left is clutching at straws...

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Trump will stay in

Voter Fraud evidence will be laid out shortly.

"Massive Election Fraud" is Provable Says Trump Campaign





The left is clutching at straws...

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I don't think they will find enough evidence or votes to change it. Saying "Fraud" is the easy part. Proving it would be difficult. In fact I would say near impossible.

Dominion software is a whole other kettle of fish. I hope it is exposed completely along with those linked to it.
But I still don't think there is enough to change any results. I'm not sure that everything she said in the video is true either.
 
Slopes on dominion:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/eric-coomer-dominion-trump/

That's the antifa-dominion link accusation. Surely that can be quickly verified or not by law enforcement.

https://fair.org/home/corporate-media-condone-destruction-of-venezuelas-voting-machines/
This popped up thought it was funny.
So Smartmatic apparently owns these machines on further investigation. But I don't know how Smartmatic and dominion are linked.

Another pre election link about smartmatic:
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/washington/29ballot.html


All these links are pre election. I'm not seeing any link between dominion and Smartmatic though the search engine results are tainted now accusations have been made. I'm looking at 2020 June or previous results.

I'm aware of every news outlet pointing out that its "Lies".

But if Smartmatic and dominion get linked then the election will blow up.

That's still a big maybe. In my mind it's possible all these theories are coming out to change votes and keep their base engaged two years from now.
 
The attorney in the press conference, Sidney Powell, has never taken on a case she can't win in a court room.

I guess the big positive that is going to come out of all this, is that voting will be a lot more transparent in the future.

Dominion (Smartmatic) are already doing a runner.
 
Dug this link up.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_620084?guccounter=1

Story from a leftist paper pre 2020 published.


"Intellectual Property’ of voting systems still owned by firm linked to Venezuelan President, despite press statement to the contrary"


I didn't read through it. Just thought it was interesting that a few of these allegations had been round for a while.

The other thing of interest is that a lot seems to be getting scrubbed off the net.
I had to use ghostery browser (which is great by the way. Pre google level browsing). Results get flooded by mainstream news or ads otherwise.
 
I have yet to see any evidence of wide scale or even minor corruption of the voting system. Even the governments own director of the agency in charge of the election stated that it was an extremely secure election.

So supposing that there was a means of altering votes as is now claimed. Why was it never raised as an issue prior to the election and why has Trump and the GOP who controlled most of the election processes during his presidency done nothing to shore up any weaknesses?

As far as I can see, they only things they have ever tried to do is to invent means to disenfranchise those they know that were likely to vote Democrats.
 
This video also came up of another person who alleged irregularities in Michigan elections. Listen to it and you can understand why the Judge threw her claim out of court as simply not credible.

After this exercise Giuliani decided he didn't want to identify the people making the affidavits. Good choice. .:laugh:

 
I have yet to see any evidence of wide scale or even minor corruption of the voting system. Even the governments own director of the agency in charge of the election stated that it was an extremely secure election.

So supposing that there was a means of altering votes as is now claimed. Why was it never raised as an issue prior to the election and why has Trump and the GOP who controlled most of the election processes during his presidency done nothing to shore up any weaknesses?

As far as I can see, they only things they have ever tried to do is to invent means to disenfranchise those they know that were likely to vote Democrats.
I never realised you were privy to such information bellanuit.

I have never seen any evidence that Ivan milat was a mass murderer... But that damned pesky and inconvenient prosecutor dredged up something up from somewhere ;)
 
I never realised you were privy to such information bellanuit.

I have never seen any evidence that Ivan milat was a mass murderer... But that damned pesky and inconvenient prosecutor dredged up something up from somewhere ;)

Silly comparison. They have had ample opportunity to show the evidence and have always failed to produce anything of consequence. Unlike Milat where there wasn't anyone in authority vouching for his innocence, in the case of the election, not only has the director responsible for overseeing the election (a Trump appointee), but those responsible at a state level for the states in dispute have also vouched for the accuracy of their data.

Even Tucker Carlson of Fox found the White House lawyer who is at the forefront of the claims completely unwilling to back up her claims and he also stated that other white house personnel have had the same silence from her. A huge difference from the Milat case.

They won't make their claims of fraud in front of a judge because they know that would be a serious offence if proven to be made up. They simply want to throw dirt around to throw doubt on the legitimacy of Biden's presidency. It too will fade like the Hunter Biden allegations.

Jump to the 2:40 mark if you find it difficult, like most sane people do, to listen to the hypocritical s**** he dishes up in the pre-amble

 
Silly comparison. They have had ample opportunity to show the evidence and have always failed to produce anything of consequence. Unlike Milat where there wasn't anyone in authority vouching for his innocence, in the case of the election, not only has the director responsible for overseeing the election (a Trump appointee), but those responsible at a state level for the states in dispute have also vouched for the accuracy of their data.

Even Tucker Carlson of Fox found the White House lawyer who is at the forefront of the claims completely unwilling to back up her claims and he also stated that other white house personnel have had the same silence from her. A huge difference from the Milat case.

They won't make their claims of fraud in front of a judge because they know that would be a serious offence if proven to be made up. They simply want to throw dirt around to throw doubt on the legitimacy of Biden's presidency. It too will fade like the Hunter Biden allegations.

Jump to the 2:40 mark if you find it difficult, like most sane people do, to listen to the hypocritical s**** he dishes up in the pre-amble


Comments that start around the 7 minute mark are good.
 
Perhaps we might yet see Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani in court, on oath, explaining and defending their views on the corruption of the voting systems in Michigan. :) That will be worth seeing..

 
Interesting to check out Judge Branns background. Very centrist. Worked for the Republican Party. Active in The Federalist Society which has the more conservative legal views.

I would think any judge with even the slightest integrity would be foolish to countenance the farce that the Trump legal team is putting forward. I would suspect that many of the long established judges with a republican leaning would be just as disgusted with the Trump antics as everyone else.

I even think Supreme Court judge Amy Coney Barrett may turn out to be a surprise in some ways. She certainly will push a conservative viewpoint on most social issues, but I think it is unlikely that she will be part of the cavalry that comes to rescue Trump, should any of his lawsuits get to the Supreme Court. Why would a young up and coming judge with a huge future ahead of her allow her career to be permanently tainted by making an unwarranted and politically motivated decision to find in favour of Trump when the facts might point the opposite way. By siding with the facts rather than Trump, she kills two birds with the one stone. She partly cleanses the stain of how she was appointed and by ensuring Trump is out of the White House, she gets a bogey off her back that would come calling time and again for special favours.
 
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