U.S. Presidential Election 2020

[satanoperca]

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[PZ99]

Anyone got the full version of that conference ?

Because there's more to it

Such as...

“Speaking of our vote being held and processed, tabulated overseas,”

“there is reports that there was a piece of hardware, possibly a server picked up in Germany. Is that true, and is it related to this?”

“That is true,” Powell replied. “It is somehow related to this, but I do not know whether good guys got it or bad guys got it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/19/heres-how-seriously-you-should-take-trump-legal-teams-conspiracy-theories/

Sidney Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[moXJO]

Mo, I do not think either side is pure but you are failing simple tests such as the GOP and Trump are not disputing the seats won by GOP Senators and those in Congress.

How strange?

Wasn't it the same election or did it all happen on a different day and there were no mail in ballots for that part?

Then there is voter suppression taken to new levels this election.

How about GOP gerrymander.

And you believe ballot assistance stole the election, or ballots suddenly found stole the election.

US politics is really bent, GOP = white hats / Democrats = black hats ....yeah nah.

Trumps / GOP behaviour is seeking to delegitimise the Biden presidency but the real casualty is US democracy, thank god those idols don't reign here in Oz.

Last word from me its gotten beyond the absurd.

You are looking at the whole and not at the targeted swing states. To swing the election you needed a few key states or counties within those states. Efforts don't need to be country wide.

And that's where its being carefully looked at.

I'm saying two things:
Trump lost, nothing will save him. He will be turfed. Thats the beauty of the constitution.

Democrats ran a dodgy campaign. Ballot harvesting should be illegal. Along with all the other crap to abuse the vote.

To add
Those discrepancies should absolutely be checked, if only to clear everyone involved.

Please provide some references to your statements.

The court action I posted above was one. Along with the twitter link I posted before had multiple "references".

As I have said before: Trump inadvertently, (through zero intention and most likely incompetence), will create a situation that ends with cleaning up parts of a corrupt voting system.

 

[moXJO]

Its hard finding many people that have taken the numbers. Here is a video of a guy that "said" he went through 2 million calls on suspicious votes (hired a call centre) and ran the numbers.
Released tomorrow. Will be interesting to see.

 

[satanoperca]

Its hard finding many people that have taken the numbers. Here is a video of a guy that "said" he went through 2 million calls on suspicious votes (hired a call centre) and ran the numbers.
Released tomorrow. Will be interesting to see.

Old Matt looks like he can be trusted.


Matt Braynard
@MattBraynard
Executive Director of Look Ahead America. Former Data Chief and Strategist for Trump for President. matt@braynard.com.

 

[SirRumpole]

Trump can ask for a recount in Wisconsin - if he can pony up $10m. Good luck with that.

Interesting that you have to pay for a recount.

Does that happen in Australia ?

 

[moXJO]

Old Matt looks like he can be trusted.


Matt Braynard
@MattBraynard
Executive Director of Look Ahead America. Former Data Chief and Strategist for Trump for President. matt@braynard.com.

Numbers matter. Are you arguing the methodology of the way data was collected was incorrect?
He is looking for fraud that will be used in court. It will get torn to shreds if its fake.


If its tainted its easily spotted and verified.
What isn't easily verifiable is that once a mail in envelope is opened and thrown, it is next to impossible to prove voter fraud. The case where the official witnesses (who video every vote open and counted) were told to move back, were blocked from entering, told to leave early is a big deal for that reason.

The envelopes get tossed and that's the part that shows the vote is legit. Mail ins are a magnet for fraud.
So now you need time to find enough people who will come forward and say that someone else took their vote ( 15000 in one state turned up to be told they had already voted via mail ins) or crunch the numbers in an audit. Even then good luck with it.

Even if their was voter fraud on a huge scale its difficult to prove. We already had the numbers not match up in a few states. But realistically what's going to be done.

Im sure it happened. I am positive it won't help Trump.

 

[moXJO]

Interesting that you have to pay for a recount.

Does that happen in Australia ?

Only certain states. US

If its close its automatic in most US states. Its also run by the states in the US. Which is why the rules are not as uniform.

Australia has an independent body.

 

[wayneL]

@satanoperca

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^^saving a bit of space so we don't p155 everyone else off

 

[SirRumpole]

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I wouldn't say "utterly consistent" wayne .

 

[wayneL]

I wouldn't say "utterly consistent" wayne .

I have been, but, let's just focus on the topic instead of getting all ad hom, shall we Horace?

Council for the God Emperor is getting fair dinkum.

Sidney Powell: Trump Legal Team Will Sue Election Officials Who Certify Fraudulent Results for Biden

A zero tolerance policy for fraud.

rumble.com

 

[satanoperca]

So riddle me this:
If the Dem could stack the votes, why did they only stack for presidency?
If they could commit fraud, then why not go for lower and senate seats as well?
I think if you applied the pub rule, Chump is full of s....t and still cannot provide any evidence except hot air.

 

[wayneL]

So riddle me this:
If the Dem could stack the votes, why did they only stack for presidency?
If they could commit fraud, then why not go for lower and senate seats as well?
I think if you applied the pub rule, Chump is full of s....t and still cannot provide any evidence except hot air.

Look, I don't know, you don't know, and probably 99.99% of people out there don't know what the hell is going on.

We might get some clues via some of the statements such as I have posted above, but that in no way adds any sort of certainty to anything.

One thing I am absolutely certain of is that whatever is wrong with their electoral system, it really must be fixed to ensure the integrity of all future elections.

 

[bellenuit]

Presidential Transition Live Updates: Georgia Completes Full Recount, Reaffirming Biden’s Win

Presidential Transition Live Updates: Georgia Completes Full Recount, Reaffirming Biden’s Win

The Georgia secretary of state’s office confirmed the results after six days of hand counting. President Trump has forcefully inserted himself into vote-counting in Michigan, where he lost decisively, as his legal efforts in other states continue to fizzle.

www.nytimes.com

 

[SirRumpole]

Look, I don't know, you don't know, and probably 99.99% of people out there don't know what the hell is going on.

We might get some clues via some of the statements such as I have posted above, but that in no way adds any sort of certainty to anything.

One thing I am absolutely certain of is that whatever is wrong with their electoral system, it really must be fixed to ensure the integrity of all future elections.

Assuming that there is something wrong with it, which is far from proven.

Whatever its faults, it has elected Republicans and Democrat Presidents in almost equal measure (14 Democrat, 19 Republican) for two hundred years.

For the Repubs to now claim fraud is laughable.

 

[wayneL]

It is clear there is no confidence in the system, compare the relative certitude that we have here in Australia and in other Western democracies.

There may be nothing in this or maybe not enough in this to swing the result, I don't know. but the fact that there are serious questions is not good enough in a Western democracy such as the United States.

I realise supporters of the democrats really want this result, but the fact remains that if elections are able to be rorted than they are able to be rorted by either side.

That is not good.

In fact, that is very bad... very very bad.

The fact that there can be legitimate questions about a electoral fraud is also very bad and it will on this occasion, result in violence. I'm certain of that.

That is very very very bad.

Here's the thing, if you are supporters of democracy, then the result here is unimportant in the long-term, but the integrity of the result is extremely important, in the long-term.

While I am on record as hoping for a Trump victory and I don't resile from that, I am more interested in a fair result.

 

[moXJO]

Presidential Transition Live Updates: Georgia Completes Full Recount, Reaffirming Biden’s Win

Presidential Transition Live Updates: Georgia Completes Full Recount, Reaffirming Biden’s Win

The Georgia secretary of state’s office confirmed the results after six days of hand counting. President Trump has forcefully inserted himself into vote-counting in Michigan, where he lost decisively, as his legal efforts in other states continue to fizzle.

www.nytimes.com

Recounts don't mean a lot as per my post above. If he won because of mail ins then that is where the problem lies. The ballot envelopes with all the details get chucked. If official witnesses were standing over the counters then there shouldn't be a problem. But that wasn't always the case.

That paper is biased sht as well.

 

[PZ99]

Australia isn't immune from controversial election results. Even today I hear folks at work claiming the postal vote for SSM was either rigged / wrong and wouldn't have passed if it was a plebiscite etc.

Rudy Giuliani will accept the result eventually - but not before you buy him two beers

 

[moXJO]

Assuming that there is something wrong with it, which is far from proven.

Whatever its faults, it has elected Republicans and Democrat Presidents in almost equal measure (14 Democrat, 19 Republican) for two hundred years.

For the Repubs to now claim fraud is laughable.

Mail ins of this magnitude were never a problem before. This election is a first of its kind that's the problem. Absentee votes have been around yes, not the mass voter mail ins we saw this election.



I'm not supporting the fraud angle. But many here don't understand what many are finding a problem with.
Its a few key states. Not the safe red or blue states. Below is what is being accused of happening.

So, mail-in ballots come with a ballot and generally two envelopes. The outer envelope has all the details but gets thrown away after opening. The inner envelope is to protect privacy and integrity of vote. Ballot has who you vote for and zero details of who voted.

If official watchers are not there to document then you can end up with a bunch of ballots added to the tally. Or Donald duck can vote 50 times so long as its for the right party.

The other problem is the states dem or Republican employ the officials. You can get fanatics either side. If the official witnesses are being blocked from doing their duty its a problem.

From what I know at least one Democrat official watcher has lodged a complaint. I'm not hugely up to speed on it all because Trump doesn't in my opinion have a way forward.

 

[moXJO]

Australia isn't immune from controversial election results. Even today I hear folks at work claiming the postal vote for SSM was either rigged / wrong and wouldn't have passed if it was a plebiscite etc.

Rudy Giuliani will accept the result eventually - but not before you buy him two beers

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Nah here's what we do. Only because I knew the guy that run.

Close election?
Wellll, we run a high profile figure to draw votes away from the candidate. Eg against a lib we run someone that will steal votes on a similar, but loud platform. Then have them preference a favourable party to our side once it dribbles down.