U.S. Presidential Election 2020

[bellenuit]

2) It restores some measure of credibility to the Republican Party which has to continue after Trump has left. They need to play the long game

Any bastardly by the GOP could quickly backfire on them. As far as I understand it, there are two senate seats in Georgia, won by the GOP, that may involve a run-off in January. If the dems can flip these, then there will be an even number of senators from both side, with the deciding vote going to the speaker. (This is how I understand it).

Should the GOP spend the next two months acting irresponsibly and aiding Trump's ridiculous claims of fraud, they may find that those two seats will be lost.

 

[Lucky777]

We’ll see next month then ?

 

[bellenuit]

Senate Majority in Balance as Perdue Re-election Race Goes to Runoff in Georgia

Mr. Perdue, a first-term Republican, narrowly failed to clear 50 percent of the vote, sending the race to a January runoff that, along with another runoff contest, will probably determine which party controls the Senate.

Senate Majority in Balance as Perdue Re-election Race Goes to Runoff in Georgia (Published 2020)

Mr. Perdue, a first-term Republican, narrowly failed to clear 50 percent of the vote, sending the race to a January runoff that, along with another runoff contest, will probably determine which party controls the Senate.

www.nytimes.com

 

[wayneL]

E Abrams, AOC et al now threatening retribution on Trump supporters.

And you all thought I was overstating things when I was talking about brownshirts?

Dark days ahead for the USA, my friends.

 

[IFocus]

Have there been any claims of electoral fraud from any of the senate or congress races?

Wayne surely you understand that its the institutions (heavily undermined by Trump and his sycophants) that enforce security and the law not politicians and these are military style agency's complete with heavy weapons.

Are you saying they are going rogue?

 

[IFocus]

Just to add to the above the people you name have no power within the DNC we saw that in nominations for the Democratic nominee a centrist was chosen not ever Bernie got a look in.

You also have a VP that's an ex prosecutor that's before you get to the GOP controlled senate.

 

[IFocus]

The real danger / threat to democratic rule in the US is now manifesting itself now with the current administration fuelling anger for the sake of the incumbent not for the people.

Trump has very real problems outside of the presidency where he will lose much of his bargaining power not only against court cases waiting for him but really serious business issues around out standing loans and refinancing them.

Remember banks stopped lending to him he needs the presidency to refinance.

That's all before you get to the fact Trumps uses government to profit from his properties for income that will all go, all this in the midst of a pandemic that's rapidly increasing in the US adding to his lost making businesses.

None of the current calamity is for the benefit of people its all about Trump and his exposure.

IMHO

 

[moXJO]

The real danger / threat to democratic rule in the US is now manifesting itself now with the current administration fuelling anger for the sake of the incumbent not for the people.

Trump has very real problems outside of the presidency where he will lose much of his bargaining power not only against court cases waiting for him but really serious business issues around out standing loans and refinancing them.

Remember banks stopped lending to him he needs the presidency to refinance.

That's all before you get to the fact Trumps uses government to profit from his properties for income that will all go, all this in the midst of a pandemic that's rapidly increasing in the US adding to his lost making businesses.

None of the current calamity is for the benefit of people its all about Trump and his exposure.

IMHO

Where did you get this rubbish that banks stop lending to him?

And covid stopped polling. Watch it disappear from the Democrats vocabulary.

The late votes that were allowed into PA without post marks was being questioned. I'd have to look into a bit more but there are questions with:
Votes by mail received after 8pm.
Votes being delivered, opened and counted instead of being set aside as late. No way to prove they were late if set aside. And the gop watchers were set back at 25 feet or blocked altogether. This was in PA.

The big hit is the ballot harvesting that went on.

They need a governing body similar to what Australia has. Too many corrupt state officials. This has been one of the worst election run ups and election day I've seen.

 

[satanoperca]

Where did you get this rubbish that banks stop lending to him?

And covid stopped polling. Watch it disappear from the Democrats vocabulary.

The late votes that were allowed into PA without post marks was being questioned. I'd have to look into a bit more but there are questions with:
Votes by mail received after 8pm.
Votes being delivered, opened and counted instead of being set aside as late. No way to prove they were late if set aside. And the gop watchers were set back at 25 feet or blocked altogether. This was in PA.

The big hit is the ballot harvesting that went on.

They need a governing body similar to what Australia has. Too many corrupt state officials. This has been one of the worst election run ups and election day I've seen.

NEW YORK/FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Deutsche Bank AG is looking for ways to end its relationship with President Donald Trump after the U.S. elections, as it tires of the negative publicity stemming from the ties, according to three senior bank officials with direct knowledge of the matter.

 

[bellenuit]

And covid stopped polling. Watch it disappear from the Democrats vocabulary.

BREAKING
Mark Meadows, Trump’s Chief of Staff, Has the Coronavirus
Mr. Meadows aided President Trump’s efforts to play down the virus throughout the summer. A second White House aide is also said to have tested positive.

 

[moXJO]

NEW YORK/FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Deutsche Bank AG is looking for ways to end its relationship with President Donald Trump after the U.S. elections, as it tires of the negative publicity stemming from the ties, according to three senior bank officials with direct knowledge of the matter.

That's hardly to do with finances. That's activism via sleeping giants. And I doubt anything will come of it anyway. Its not official.

 

[moXJO]

BREAKING
Mark Meadows, Trump’s Chief of Staff, Has the Coronavirus
Mr. Meadows aided President Trump’s efforts to play down the virus throughout the summer. A second White House aide is also said to have tested positive.

It polled at 18% or less, as to its importance. It will be dropped.

 

[moXJO]

Software 'Glitch' In Michigan Erroneously Gave 1000s Of Votes To Biden; Up To 47 Counties Compromised




A glitch goes both ways. Not all to one candidate.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...ave-1000s-votes-biden-47-counties-compromised


Meanwhile, in Oakland County, Michigan, another computer glitch was uncovered which gave an upset win to Democrat Melanie Hartman. Once it was fixed, her win was nullified and incumbent Adam Kochenderfer was declared the winner.



So a few things need to be cleared up.

 

[IFocus]

Where did you get this rubbish that banks stop lending to him?

And covid stopped polling. Watch it disappear from the Democrats vocabulary.

The late votes that were allowed into PA without post marks was being questioned. I'd have to look into a bit more but there are questions with:
Votes by mail received after 8pm.
Votes being delivered, opened and counted instead of being set aside as late. No way to prove they were late if set aside. And the gop watchers were set back at 25 feet or blocked altogether. This was in PA.

The big hit is the ballot harvesting that went on.

They need a governing body similar to what Australia has. Too many corrupt state officials. This has been one of the worst election run ups and election day I've seen.

The issue around Trumps lending and banks has been well covered.

I seen questions repeated time and again up to the present time asking what court actions Trump can take about the vote issues.

The answers have all been the same, actions taken so far will have no bearing on the out come none, nada, zip they have been minor nit picking delaying actions and there is nothing that can be taken to the supreme court as yet, none of the accusations being made have any evidence to support them none, nada, zip if there was it would be presented to a court ASP that hasn't happened.

Clearly Biden is winning, the polls were again well out but the shape of the vote count is playing almost to script.

Trump supporters were told to vote on the day, Democrats were told to vote by mail in due to the pandemic.

Trump has spent weeks demonising mail in ballots (falsely) setting up the current false claims.

How anyone can buy into any of this is beyond me.

You do know PV state legislature is controlled by the Republican Party.

Georgia is also Republican

Again nothing comes close to GOP gerrymander of boundary's ....nothing.

 

[Lucky777]

Soon....Democrats

 

[basilio]

Murdoch US Press are now asking Trump to act with grace and respect for the democratic processes.

Rupert Murdoch-owned US outlets turn on Trump, urging him to act with 'grace'

Fox News, Wall Street Journal and New York Post all show stark change of tone as their former champion faces ‘presidential endgame’

www.theguardian.com

Meanwhile Biden is preparing for the final vote count which he believes will give him 300 plus electoral votes.
Had a message for all Americans

In America, we hold strong views, we have strong disagreements, and that is OK," he said.

"Strong disagreements are inevitable in a democracy. Strong disagreements are healthy. They are a sign of a vigorous debate of deeply held views, but we have to remember the purpose of our politics isn't total unrelenting warfare.

"No, the purpose of our politics, the work of the nation, isn't to fan the flames of conflict but to solve problems, to guarantee justice, to give everybody a fair shot and improve the lives of our people.

"We may be opponents but we are not enemies, we are Americans.

"No matter who you voted for, I'm certain of one thing — the vast majority of them, 150 million who voted, they want the vitriol out of our politics.

Biden says 'it is clear' he will win US election, but Trump team says it's not over yet

Without formally declaring victory, Joe Biden says the numbers tell a "clear and convincing" story he will win the presidency, despite Donald Trump's team preparing legal challenges to keep the race alive.

www.abc.net.au

 

[basilio]

It will be interesting to see how Trump responds to the message change from his normal media supporters. He only has one opportunity to make a gracious concession speech that somehow makes him seem "Presidential" . He has, at the most 24-36 hours before the votes across a number of states makes it clear he has lost.

Be interesting to see if he decides to burn down the house or resign gracefully. Goes back to what I said earlier about whether the Republican Party will countenance an extended legal fight on spurious grounds when the electroral figures become so stark that there is no realistic way they can hold the Presidency short of a coup.

And of course they have to go back to the Georgia Electorate in January and fight for the last 2 critical Senate seats

 

[dutchie]

2000 people have already died of the China virus on Joe's watch! Come on man!

 

[Knobby22]

2000 people have already died of the China virus on Joe's watch! Come on man!

He doesn't get in till January I thought?
If say, China attacked Taiwan, not out of the bounds of possibility, would not Trump be in charge? Anyone know?
In the Aussie//UK system, the removalists would be at the Lodge/ 10 Downing Street by now.

 

[dutchie]

He doesn't get in till January I thought?
If say, China attacked Taiwan, not out of the bounds of possibility, would not Trump be in charge? Anyone know?

Good point.
China will need to build more landing craft before it initiates an attack. It should be ready to do so early 2022.
The US, under Biden, will not interfere.