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U.S. Presidential Election 2020

Who will win the 2020 U.S. Presidential Election?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 12 44.4%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 15 55.6%
  • Kanye West

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
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Merica is on the line.
I fear that there's almost certainly a whole lot more than just 'Merica riding on this!

Presuming DJT doesn't somehow manage to pull through, those favouring election of the Democrat party will only have themselves to blame for what comes next.
 
Sadly none of the court actions launch so far by Trump or others will change the out come, it appears to be about discrediting the election.

Sowing deeper divisions being the objective.

So much for public service.
The vote was split down the middle. I think the last 4 years of attacks on Trump will be paid in kind to Biden.

The divisiveness already peaked out when Democrats called on cutting family members if they were Republicans. The Russian collusion from the last election, isn't much different from what Trump is doing now.

A case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes applies
 
Really It's crazy .. Trump is wildly claiming that the Dems have rigged this election. He is desperately trying to undermine public confidence in the election process to what ? Gin up 500,000 suppporters to arm themselves and march on the White House to "protect their President ?"

Is that the endgame here ?
Consider the fraud BS for a millisec. If the Dems had in some universe managed to rig this election how come they haven't pinched the couple of Republican Senate seats they desperately need to have a workable Senate? How did the allow the House to lose seats to the Republicans ?

Trump is desperately digging his way to China trashing the voting system when it is quite clear there is not a sherrick of evidence for such claims. At some stage, I believe, a group of Republican Senators are going to stand and say "enough is enough" count the Votes , accept the result and take the consequences.

It's clear that Georgia and Pennsylvania are relentlessly turning blue. Biden will declare imminently .
 
Rumours are coming out that the Department of Homeland Security marked all the ballot papers with a IR watermark and also lodged each ballot paper on the QFS blockchain, to prevent tampering and so that everyone can check it themselves (this is the beauty of Blockchain technology if you understand how it works).



I think the official mail-in ballots that were mailed out by DHS were all water-marked. There are dots all over the pages that jump out at 640nm wavelength. (credit - perrarm2)


Ballot 01.jpeg




IR Watermak 01.jpeg


From another user - credit to Landcruzer94
I follow the crypto world a little bit, mainly ways to use blockchain to combat counterfeiting. In 2017/18, a company called INPI Asia developed a way to mark an item with an invisible identifier, everything from metal car parts to paper goods. This code could be linked to a blockchain to establish authenticity. There's not much info on it, but some governments have adopted it to secure their own documents. EDIT: It was the government of Jakarta that adopted this for all of their documents.
A better representation of how it works:


the code is transferred to the paper before the ballots are even printed.
Earlier this year, USPS quietly revealed some patents in blockchain voting that took some by surprise...
"A separation of voter identification and votes to ensure voter anonymity is the principal feature of the solution. The votes are stored on a blockchain attested by election officials. Obviously, this patent is too late to be developed and deployed for this election."
This could be the link. Why would we push SO hard for blockchain voting and not tout it just before the election? If you wanted to set the trap you wouldn't talk about it. These ballots could be blockchain voting in disguise, just not the way I thought they would be. EDIT: this actually makes the most sense. In an ideal world you'd push for a blockchain system that links you with how you vote that is tamper proof, Voter ID of the grandest scale if you will. Dems have been allergic to that forever and this is a sneaky way to integrate it.
Far fetched, but possible.
 
Georgia has just gone blue with Biden now ahead by 900 or so. Not called yet, but the trend is good for Biden with most uncounted votes from democratic orientated counties.
 
Really Trump should let it go, it would put a lot of pressuee on the Democrats, to perform over the nsxt 4 years.
My guess is things will be much worse, regards employment anx balance of payment with China.
Just let them stew in their own juice IMO.
 
The voter fraud thing isn't supported by any evidence just Trumps word which is worth what?

Listening to commentary today summed it up pretty well.

Its goes like this neither of the big parties even think about it because the risks are so great, its just not on the radar.

The count trend has actually gone as predicted, Trumps behaviour has gone as he predicted,

Interesting no one is talking about the biggest fraud, GOP gerrymander.

All Trumps behaviour (that of a tin pot dictator getting thrown out) does is embolden Americas enemies and makes them a laughing stock.

Can you imagine the reply next time another countries election is questioned by the US............ example Hahahahahaha

Trumps latest claims (remember he has already claimed victory, how did that work) are made without any evidence and no court action.
 
Biden takes lead in PA. 5.5K ahead and the trend is with him. Trump can't win without PA.
 
Oh well back to business as usual, more
I’ve said the same since the beginning of his presidency - he had some very valid points but was completely the wrong man to make them.

I’m expecting that Biden will in practice adopt some of Trump’s ideas just in a very different manner in terms of his own role.
 
Trump is still digging his way to China...

As the votes are counted and the reality of a lost election becomes clear and clearer Trump is still insisting he won because ... basically because he says so. With that behaviour he is dragging the Republican Party into complicity to undermine the democratic processes of electing government.

At this stage some Republicans are publicly disagreeing that the sort of alleged fraud is even remotely possible and that due electoral process has to be maintained despite Trumps insistence of either stopping or continuing the vote counting depending on how it suits him

Some examples of the pushback by current Republicians;

Illinois congressman Adam Kinzinger tweeted that the president’s lying “is getting insane” and pleaded with his party to “STOP Spreading debunked misinformation”.

Texas congressman Will Hurd tweeted: “Every American should have his or her vote counted.”
“A sitting president undermining our political process & questioning the legality of the voices of countless Americans without evidence is not only dangerous & wrong, it undermines the very foundation this nation was built upon,” he wrote.

GOP strategist Karl Rove, who on Wednesday morning said the mass fraud that Trump is alleging “isn’t going to happen” in America.
“Some hanky-panky always goes on, and there are already reports of poll watchers in Philadelphia not being allowed to do their jobs,” Rove said. “But stealing hundreds of thousands of votes would require a conspiracy on the scale of a James Bond movie. That isn’t going to happen. Let’s repeat that: that isn’t going to happen.”

former representative Carlos Curbelo called for “Republicans to stand up for our democracy at this hour”.


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Carlos Curbelo

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By “illegal votes” it seems
@potus
is referring to votes cast by mail which disproportionately benefitted his opponent this election. Those votes are not in any way illegal. Important for all public leaders, especially Republicans, to stand up for our democracy at this hour.

one GOP official involved in the ballot counting process has said behind closed doors that voter fraud isn’t an issue. Stuart Foster, a top state Republican official who trained ballot challengers in Michigan, told trainees just days ahead of the election that he was “confident with our election system”.

Foster can be heard making the comments in a recording of the training session leaked to the Guardian.

“I’ll get myself into trouble here. I basically made the comment like, so if fraud was so prevalent, then did the Democrats forget to do it in 2016? They just forgot to do it?” he said. “I mean, Trump … barely won. And it’s not because he didn’t win. [Democrats] just didn’t show up. Did they just forget? Fraud was so prevalent, but they just forgot to do it?”


 
Trump endgame scenarios.
If Trump continues to undermine public confidence in the US electoral process and deny the validity of the votes cast against him there is a strong possibility that the Republican Party as a whole will be seen as enabling this denial of process. There is also the scenario of a rapidly divisive breakdown in the US as Trump encourages his supporters to "protect his Presidency".

There may be legal challenges but every indication at the moment is these have no legs at all and the overall numbers against Trump are too big to allow any legal argument to succeed. Therefore the Republicans would face a complete humiliation in the legal system.

So perhaps it is time for Mike Pence and other staff members to tap Trump on the shoulder and tell him to stand down and allow Pence to complete the Presidential term until inauguration.

Why ?
1) It defuses the whole political situation and averts a political bloodbath
2) It restores some measure of credibility to the Republican Party which has to continue after Trump has left. They need to play the long game
3) There can be a measured and respectful change of office which seems impossible with Donald Trump
3) It may be the only opportunity left to give Presidential pardons to people currently in trouble.

Thoughts ?
 
It will be a military coup but you won’t hear it in the mainstream. Trump will win guaranteed. Drain the swamp.
 
The problem was the media coverage, big tech suppression, mail in votes that were ballot harvested etc. Oh and zero scrutiny on Biden. Media basically passed him in. Riots and media suppression of that, or the right being blamed for them.

You can blame Trump as much as you like. But to say that Democrats have run a clean 4 years is an absolute joke. They never accepted the Trump presidency. Having only impeached him this year (during the coronavirus as an added distraction). Prior it was constant talk of the illegitimacy of the Trump Presidency.

Not only that, but the election was way closer then anyone thought. If Democrats hadn't had coronavirus save them. They would have lost by a huge margin.

You look at guys like bas who has posted every half truth or outright bullsht story for the past four years. Not once did he retract when he was wrong. People like him were replicated in the US x 10s of millions. It became a mental illness.

Why on earth would you now think Republicans are going to roll over after 4 years of being attacked?

We all watched it happen. So on that front, don't think Biden or the Democrats will be accepted. This won't be a smooth transition.
 
It will be a military coup but you won’t hear it in the mainstream. Trump will win guaranteed. Drain the swamp.
I think you lost your grand of cash believing this sort of stuff.
The military and the Republicans aren't going to support a coup , secret or otherwise. Most Americans greatly respect their constitution.
 
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