Two-way block

[Garpal Gumnut]

That's where this whole blocking thing falls over. QldFrog has obviously doubled blocked you so you can't see his posts and any replies to it are not meaningful to you.

FYI here is the post I was replying to:-

"
I disagree, as stated before, if i am not interested in any way by what someone has to say, why should i do it manually?
In that case and to take into account your opinion, which is fair, i think the real question is :
should we have a 2 way block?
I can block someone, but have no issue with this person reading my own posts, even replying and bagging me or turning read in anger in these.
As long as i do not have to read them, i could not care less..
So isnt it the only real question? The 2 way?
"

If we have to keep doing this to keep people in the loop it will get tedious.

If it helps I would be quite happy to get my man, Švejk, to keep an eye out for conversations between @qldfrog and others that are going astray.

He could then report them to the Intel Committee here at the Hotel who following consultation could send those suitable and appropriate for me to read on to me to post.

This would be on an FSEO ( For Švejk's eyes only ) to avoid any embarrassment to me or @qldfrog or any other partygoers who don't want to party with me, and to ensure if anyone else blocked me we could provide alternate arrangements, perhaps Australia Post or Fed Ex.

Telegram is another alternative and I believe the AFP can sell a person a device for forwarding messages that is very secure.

I could then post them with an alert. Perhaps a new Thread called " Orphan's Party Posts" could be made specifically for those posts in the Members Only Area.

Next month I will be in Cooloongatta and The Northern Rivers getting my man from England who has finally been allowed back in to Australia to sort out the Arnage, so this arrangement with Švejk and the Intel Committee may be only temporary.

gg

 

[SirRumpole]

If it helps I would be quite happy to get my man, Švejk, to keep an eye out for conversations between @qldfrog and others that are going astray.

He could then report them to the Intel Committee here at the Hotel who following consultation could send those suitable and appropriate for me to read on to me to post.

This would be on an FSEO ( For Švejk's eyes only ) to avoid any embarrassment to me or @qldfrog or any other partygoers who don't want to party with me, and to ensure if anyone else blocked me we could provide alternate arrangements, perhaps Australia Post or Fed Ex.

Telegram is another alternative and I believe the AFP can sell a person a device for forwarding messages that is very secure.

I could then post them with an alert. Perhaps a new Thread called " Orphan's Party Posts" could be made specifically for those posts in the Members Only Area.

Next month I will be in Cooloongatta and The Northern Rivers getting my man from England who has finally been allowed back in to Australia to sort out the Arnage, so this arrangement with Švejk and the Intel Committee may be only temporary.

gg

Excellent idea. Please implement earliest opportunity.

Out.

 

[qldfrog]

That's where this whole blocking thing falls over. QldFrog has obviously doubled blocked you so you can't see his posts and any replies to it are not meaningful to you.

FYI here is the post I was replying to:-

"
I disagree, as stated before, if i am not interested in any way by what someone has to say, why should i do it manually?
In that case and to take into account your opinion, which is fair, i think the real question is :
should we have a 2 way block?
I can block someone, but have no issue with this person reading my own posts, even replying and bagging me or turning read in anger in these.
As long as i do not have to read them, i could not care less..
So isnt it the only real question? The 2 way?
"

If we have to keep doing this to keep people in the loop it will get tedious.

I check if i can remove the double bit

 

[qldfrog]

I check if i can remove the double bit

Yes there is this option and i just checked it, so i ignore/block as per my lenghty posts above, yet by not having the 2 way block option on, i should not interfere on threads smooth work and remove issue such as the one above
Done for all of my blocks?

 

[galumay]

Still believe the ability to two way block should remain, I specifically want it for the many I have blocked. As I said, it has no negative impact for anyone.

 

[galumay]

Looking back to the start of the thread, nothing has changed for me from when the 2 way block was implemented.

As someone who has used the ignore/block feature to avoid aggressive personal attacks, and then had the members I blocked, stalk me and troll every subsequent post I made, I am a big fan of the 2 way block.

I can only imagine trolls and flamers being against the 2 way block, obviously it disempowers their agenda and so I am not surprised they see it as "cowardly". As for an "echo chamber mentality" I think thats nonsense, I encourage the opinions and views of those who have different perspectives to mine - its the ad hominem attacks and trolling that I object to.

There are plenty of members who I have little in common with as a long term investor, but I enjoy reading their comments and discussing approaches with them.

Seriously, if I couldn't block some of the members here, I would leave the forum. Life is too short for that ****.

 

[qldfrog]

Looking back to the start of the thread, nothing has changed for me from when the 2 way block was 1.

Hi @galumay ,
I am a blocker so no mistake there but do you really care if any of your blocked member can see what you write, and even reply...?
Once people are blocked, i could not care less .

 

[galumay]

I care because it allows the flamers and trolls to stalk me and launch ad hominem attacks that all the other members can see. Then their responses are visible to me so the trolls still get heard. The one way block is just fuel for their hate and vitriol. Thats why they are so opposed to the 2 way block, it completely de-powers them.

 

[PZ99]

I care because it allows the flamers and trolls to stalk me and launch ad hominem attacks that all the other members can see. Then their responses are visible to me so the trolls still get heard. The one way block is just fuel for their hate and vitriol. Thats why they are so opposed to the 2 way block, it completely de-powers them.

+1 on this.

I don't want flamers, trolls and conspiracy theorists reading my posts thanks very much.

Prior to the two way block there was so much trolling it nearly ruined the site. Two way block is a lesser evil.

 

[bux2000]

Perhaps Crocodile Dundee had it sorted when he said
If I have a problem I tell Wal
Wal tells everyone
The problem is out in the open
Everyone knows
Problem Solved

Yeh and BTW I would far rather talk to a Frog than a Toad any day

bux

 

[wayneL]

I think it works fine. Sometimes a thread can be a bit confusing, but dialling down the irrits has been good as far as I am concerned.

 

[Smurf1976]

As a rule I'm not keen on celebrity worship and all that but I do see that anything in public has a lot of similarities. Be it standing on a stage, speaking on radio or commenting online it all has the common element that you're putting yourself out there in public for all to see. If you want hate and crazy people, that's one way to attract them your way.

With that in mind I won't post the full conversation but quoting a couple of comments from someone who cops far more crap online than most here would be likely to.

Lzzy Hale, frontwoman of the band Halestorm:

Ah no worries. It’s not my first rodeo. Most of these dudes would never say it to my face… they hide behind anonymity and sticky keyboards

...

I feel bad for them. They want to be the victim, because they can’t face themselves. They are so unhappy that they feel the need to put someone else down for that very vapid blast of pleasure it brings them. I wish them joy.

Context was some fairly rude criticism that was getting personal, it wasn't about the music.

Sums up my own view pretty well really.

The great thing about the internet is it enables the exchange of everything from music to personal communications to financial and weather data between anyone just about anywhere on the planet. Heck it can even translate language when required.

The bad thing about the internet is exactly the same. It enables those with nothing better to do than attempt to destroy others to go about their evil deeds from the privacy of their own home with anonymity.

Now personally well I don't front a band, I ain't got my face on the front of an album and I couldn't play guitar if my life depended on it so I don't have the scrutiny which comes with that but the same concepts apply at some level to anything done in public. Put yourself in front of enough people and sooner or later you'll find some crazies in the audience.

In a past life I've done public speaking in various contexts. It doesn't come with anywhere near as much crap as I'd imagine a musician cops but it comes with some, it brings out the conspiracy theorists and so on who want to rant about nonsense.

So I won't be stopping anyone from reading my comments online just as I didn't stop anyone hearing my comments face to face and musicians don't stop people listening to their music. It's not hurting me to have the haters listening, not even slightly.

I do however reserve the right to suggest to the moderators that anyone being disruptive to the point of derailing discussion be thrown out at the moderators' discretion. As a concept that's much like what musicians do and it's much like what happens with talkback radio or standing at the Show talking to the public. You're entitled to your opinion and you're free to walk out or turn the radio off at any time but there's a line in the sand. Become too disruptive to others and there's a point where security throws you out of the venue or the radio presenter hangs up the call.

That said, well I do see the dilemma regarding the blocking function and why others will deem it necessary. Personally I haven't used it and have no intention of doing so. That said, well I do think it would be reasonable to know not their identity but how many people are blocking me in total. That's a fair and relevant thing to know I think - if there's a lot of people blocking me then "it's not them, it's me" is probably true. Painful though it may be, sometimes we all need a slap in the face and to be presented with the truth.

Prompted by the above, I've posted an appropriate song on the music thread: https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/music-what-are-asf-members-listening-to.2569/page-334

 

[qldfrog]

I care because it allows the flamers and trolls to stalk me and launch ad hominem attacks that all the other members can see. Then their responses are visible to me so the trolls still get heard. The one way block is just fuel for their hate and vitriol. Thats why they are so opposed to the 2 way block, it completely de-powers them.

Fair.i guess i had few of these and had so low appreciation of the individuals involved that it did not affect me the least.but to each his own ( is that the expression?)
So blocking with optional 2 ways is maybe the best after all.
Is 2 way option available per member blocked @Joe Blow ? I do not think so?More work for you software but a possible refinement?
I think i have contributed all my views so now will read this thread silently.
Enjoy the weekend, weather is nice,market closed ,your blocks are working and politicians silent for the day!?

 

[qldfrog]

Fair.i guess i had few of these and had so low appreciation of the individuals involved that it did not affect me the least.but to each his own ( is that the expression?)
So blocking with optional 2 ways is maybe the best after all.
Is 2 way option available per member blocked @Joe Blow ? I do not think so?More work for you software but a possible refinement?
I think i have contributed all my views so now will read this thread silently.
Enjoy the weekend, weather is nice,market closed ,your blocks are working and politicians silent for the day!?

Just unignored 2 members, the ones i could have a face to face chat with, irritating but maybe i can handle them with the covid heat removed?.
Small acts of kindness?

 

[qldfrog]

And truly my last post here...for the time being?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Well said Frog.

For some reason I can't see your posts again.

Stay safe, happy and well.

gg

 

[Dona Ferentes]

there's a conflation of virtue happening here.

1. I have been blocked by qldfrog for many months
2. Very recently, that block has lifted
3. I would prefer to participate in the broad church of ASF, not some selective subset .
4. I do not consider myself a troll. I do have a sense of humour, I generally don't rise to the bait.
5. If anyone thinks I am a troll, please tell me. Maybe a good filtration will do me the world of good; I will go to the reeducation camp of your choice.

 

[Country Lad]

there's a conflation of virtue happening here.

1. I have been blocked by qldfrog for many months
2. Very recently, that block has lifted
3. I would prefer to participate in the broad church of ASF, not some selective subset .
4. I do not consider myself a troll. I do have a sense of humour, I generally don't rise to the bait.
5. If anyone thinks I am a troll, please tell me. Maybe a good filtration will do me the world of good; I will go to the reeducation camp of your choice.

What he said, same.

 

[finicky]

Doesn't anyone else feel it ironic that one of the most active threads here is about blocking people? On an under trafficked forum like asf? Even if Xi Jinping or Vlad the Impaler dropped in for a chat they should be warmly welcomed and engaged in lively conversation.

 

[finicky]

I take this every day and can guarantee it for regular bowel motions. It's fantastic.