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TSLA - Tesla Motors Inc (NASDAQ)

There have been a few articles going round that BYD has or soon will have overtaken Tesla as the company that produces the most EV's worldwide.
From times of India



And here an older from the Washington Post.


The biggest hurdle for BYD is cracking the US market, butbthey plan to opn a plant in the USA this Fin year.
Mick
 

Yes no ice for byd, not sure they do hybrid
BYD did make ICE up until march 2022.

Now they do Hybrids, Plug-in Hybrids and Fully Electric.

Their Best selling car is a Plug-in Hybrid, So comparing to Tesla is not a great comparison, Tesla sells more pure Ev's than BYD but only just they have similar sales.
 


 
Hi John, can you give me any guidance iyo, or can anyone on this forum?
I need any help I can get investing with Tesla.
The reasons for it being my biggest SMSF investment is that it demonstrates to me the best of startup disruption and rapid evolvement plus it demonstrates the best of manufacturing with incredibly fast continuous improvement, cost reduction, productivity gains and direct access to the market. In terms of marketing it has data from every product, knowing the way its customers use their product in real time so it can forecast and innovate accurately being a software company. It also has the resources needed for expansion without the risk of being held to ransom or sidelined by venture capitalists. IMO the last time this happened was when Toyota dominated the other auto makers and this leap seems bigger and much better than that.
What I would value from this forum and possibly yourself is ideas about investment and trading patterns in regard to Tesla.
For product information I follow many Tesla fans on YouTube which is very helpful for keeping an eye on Tesla with points of difference, new product, analysis of the EV marketplace, futuristic predictions etc. I also listen to Cary Artec who produces videos on charting of the Tesla share price, I listen to Clear Value Tax for their analysis of the macro economic climate and as a result I decide when to sell my shares and when to buy again.
My aim is to increase my ownership of Tesla shares continuously via selling high and buying low. I believe Tesla is going to increase in price many times over the coming 5-10 yrs and I need to hold as much as possible by 2030 so I can enjoy retirement then. At present I run a small manufacturing business from home and work for another company casually.
It is not a foolproof system without risk, I have to consider all of the above advice and add my own thoughts, then take a plunge.
Could you comment please on what I do. I listen to other commentators as well, but not mainstream media, so I can develop a macro trend in general as I believe the Tesla share price is sensitive to the macro environment and will rise and fall with it if there is no other overriding factor. I also believe that Tesla shares are volatile and after a run up they generally take a dive down. I have to pick the possible maximum price to sell and later the possible lowest price to enter again. I divide my holdings into six and begin selling as the price goes up past my average selling price until I have sold all, then later I once again reinvest in six steps trying to cover the bottom.
At present I believe shares are close to their high and will decline over the next five or so months before rising sharply again.
Are there charts or systems that you think I could follow to help?
Can you see any big pitfalls?
 

I’m on my holiday break at the moment, but can offer you this resource -


Tesla is a long term hold for me, I started purchasing pre Covid and top up during a few of the lows.
 
Thanks John, I also follow Cathy Wood.

Apparently this is an Elon quote

“Since I’ve been asked a lot:
Buy stock in several companies that make products & services that *you* believe in.

Only sell if you think their products & services are trending worse. Don’t panic when the market does.

This will serve you well in the long-term.”

| Elon Musk

I think Tesla makes a few products that I believe in so one share is almost ‘diversified’.



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I found this interesting

Chamath Palihapitiya, Social Capital Founder and CEO and former Facebook executive, revealed that he sold his Tesla position last year. Palihapitiya has been bullish on Tesla for some time but exited his bet after last year’s stratospheric rise in Tesla shares. The high prices allowed him to generate cash to fund his other ideas.
Palihapitiya had said in January that he believed that Tesla could easily double or triple again in stock value due to its “distributed energy business” and the upcoming changes in energy infrastructure towards cleaner energy. While Palihapitiya said he was somewhat wrong about Tesla’s growth opportunities, as he “completely underestimated” the EV market, he was still bullish on Tesla’s growth.
“When you see it now, the market has flipped. ... Tesla will be very busy just being a best-in-class EV company,” he said.
But while Palihapitiya has expressed his confidence in Tesla, many others are not so sure about the Elon Musk-led company. Michael Burry, the legendary investor who predicted the real estate bubble collapse of 2008 and made $800 million off of it, has put options on 1.1 million shares of Tesla worth $731 million at the end of June. The put options from Burry’s Scion Asset Management are based on a bearish bet where if the price of Tesla shares falls before the expiration of the put contract, they stand to earn considerable profits.

 
I see it as the best vehicle manufacturer globally in terms of quality across software, build and performance and the best in lowest cost manufacturing. That is almost enough for anyone to invest, but I see that now as a given that will be maintained and the rest of the company poised to dominate again in energy, AI, data, robots and FSD.
I am also convinced the economy will dive this year up to June and Tesla shares with it. Hopefully I will be right and brave enough to hold out on buying again as it heads down. If it increases strongly in price I will be screwed.
 
I share generally similar ideas
 

Agreed, though I have not sold any in the past several years.

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I believe those BYD figures include ice and hybrid vehicles with Tesla way ahead on battery electric vehicles.

Well spotted, a true investors eye.


What many people don't know is what you have pointed out before; Tesla is more than a car company and they have the lowest cost production.
 
Well spotted, a true investors eye.



What many people don't know is what you have pointed out before; Tesla is more than a car company and they have the lowest cost production.
According to Teslas own sales figures , tesla sold around 1.81 million cars in 2023, all pure electric.

According to BYD's own sales figures , BYD sold a bit over 3 million units, all either pure electric or hybrids,
According to ArenaEV , all electric EV's contribution to the 3 million sales was just over 1.57 million vehicles, so yes the Tesla did sell more pure EV's than BYD.

BYD is also more than a car company, like Tesla it produces batteries.
From ArenaEV


Mick
 
It also does EV buses..and their taxi fleet was kind of specific purposes car.
 

Tesla is more than a car company, and that is why their valuation is higher than their competition.

Tesla’s market capitalisation today of U.S.$777 billion is more than the combined market capitalisation of the next eight biggest manufacturers, including (in descending order) Toyota, Porsche, BYD, Mercedes Benz, VinFast Auto, BMW, Volkswagen, and Ferrari.

You're looking at the obvious and missing the bits behind it.

But like any company involved in disruptive technologies, profits and share prices can fall. Will that happen to Tesla? Maybe, but I think that the older and more established they become the less likely.

Tesla revenue goes beyond electric vehicle sales. Here's how the automaker generates revenues

The Tech Revolution Of Tesla: Why It's Worth The Investment

BYD may have sold more vehicles, but where did they get their technology from, what is their profit margin, what other revenue do they bring in?



When investing your hard earned money, Always do your own research.
 
Regarding BYD in China their vehicle Ave price is heaps less than Tesla so they should be selling multiples of Tesla numbers, but instead they are way behind with battery electric vehicles. With no advertising or dealers the organic growth of Teslas is nothing short of amazing. Globally too, not just China. Tesla future looks very good to me. Fingers crossed.
 
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