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Trump Era 2025-2029 : Stock and Economic Comment

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It just gets worse every day.

The Dumbest Trade War in History

Trump will impose 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico for no good reason.


President Trump will fire his first tariff salvo on Saturday against those notorious American adversaries . . . Mexico and Canada. They’ll get hit with a 25% border tax, while China, a real adversary, will endure 10%. This reminds us of the old Bernard Lewis joke that it’s risky to be America’s enemy but it can be fatal to be its friend.

Leaving China aside, Mr. Trump’s justification for this economic assault on the neighbors makes no sense. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt says they’ve “enabled illegal drugs to pour into America.” But drugs have flowed into the U.S. for decades, and will continue to do so as long as Americans keep using them. Neither country can stop it.
Drugs may be an excuse since Mr. Trump has made clear he likes tariffs for their own sake. “We don’t need the products that they have,” Mr. Trump said on Thursday. “We have all the oil you need. We have all the trees you need, meaning the lumber.”
Mr. Trump sometimes sounds as if the U.S. shouldn’t import anything at all, that America can be a perfectly closed economy making everything at home. This is called autarky, and it isn’t the world we live in, or one that we should want to live in, as Mr. Trump may soon find out.

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Take the U.S. auto industry, which is really a North American industry because supply chains in the three countries are highly integrated. In 2024 Canada supplied almost 13% of U.S. imports of auto parts and Mexico nearly 42%. Industry experts say a vehicle made on the continent goes back and forth across borders a half dozen times or more, as companies source components and add value in the most cost-effective ways.
And everyone benefits. The office of the U.S. Trade Representative says that in 2023 the industry added more than $809 billion to the U.S. economy, or about 11.2% of total U.S. manufacturing output, supporting “9.7 million direct and indirect U.S. jobs.” In 2022 the U.S. exported $75.4 billion in vehicles and parts to Canada and Mexico. That number jumped 14% in 2023 to $86.2 billion, according to the American Automotive Policy Council.
American car makers would be much less competitive without this trade. Regional integration is now an industry-wide manufacturing strategy—also employed in Japan, Korea and Europe—aimed at using a variety of high-skilled and low-cost labor markets to source components, software and assembly.


The result has been that U.S. industrial capacity in autos has grown alongside an increase in imported motor vehicles, engines and parts. From 1995-2019, imports of autos, engines and parts rose 169% while U.S. industrial capacity in autos, engines and parts rose 71%.
As the Cato Institute’s Scott Lincicome puts it, the data show that “as imports go up, U.S. production goes up.” Thousands of good-paying auto jobs in Texas, Ohio, Illinois and Michigan owe their competitiveness to this ecosystem, relying heavily on suppliers in Mexico and Canada.
Tariffs will also cause mayhem in the cross-border trade in farm goods. In fiscal 2024, Mexican food exports made up about 23% of total U.S. agricultural imports while Canada supplied some 20%. Many top U.S. growers have moved to Mexico because limits on legal immigration have made it hard to find workers in the U.S. Mexico now supplies 90% of avocados sold in the U.S. Is Mr. Trump now an avocado nationalist?

Then there’s the prospect of retaliation, which Canada and Mexico have shown they know how to do for maximum political impact. In 2009 the Obama Administration and Congressional Democrats ended a pilot program that allowed Mexican long-haul truckers into the U.S. as stipulated in Nafta. Mexico responded with targeted retaliation on 90 U.S. goods to pressure industries in key Congressional districts.
These included California grapes and wine, Oregon Christmas trees and cherries, jams and jellies from Ohio and North Dakota soy. When Mr. Trump imposed steel and aluminum tariffs in 2018, Mexico got results using the same tactic, putting tariffs on steel, pork products, fresh cheese and bourbon.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has promised to respond to U.S. tariffs on a dollar-for-dollar basis. Canada could suffer a larger GDP hit since its economy is so much smaller, but American consumers will feel the bite of higher costs for some goods.

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None of this is supposed to happen under the U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade agreement that Mr. Trump negotiated and signed in his first term. The U.S. willingness to ignore its treaty obligations, even with friends, won’t make other countries eager to do deals. Maybe Mr. Trump will claim victory and pull back if he wins some token concessions. But if a North American trade war persists, it will qualify as one of the dumbest in history.
 
Talk is that pharmaceuticals are the next tariff target.
Will effect Polynovo , CSL etc.
WHEW !!

i normally dodge that niche , too many damn regulations , approvals and policy changes , give me imaging companies and bandages, bedpans stuff with little chance being stuffed by a new wonder drug/treatment

BTW way i DO hols VLS as a consolation prize for having BKL taken over ( nice profit but i would have rather kept the shares )
 
China had already faced some tariffs ( and sanctions ) the EU has been giving out subsidies for decades ( butter mountains , cheese mountains etc etc )

he probably should have slashed regulations and regulators first before resorting to tariffs , but then tariffs can do placed/removed at the stroke of a pen , not weeks of bickering in Congress/Senate to get approval
 
Had this sent to me this morning, not sure of its origin.

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well his strategy won't work with me , i watched the Greece/Cyprus collapse and the haircuts dished out by the ECB and IMF

given the rise of China , India ,Indonesia , and the US debt dilemma i would need a 10% ( per annum ) return on investment for US Treasuries ( and not at any price for Euro-bonds )
 
We keep overlooking the fiscal and debt positions of governments across the world.

Tariffs are actually a tax increase under another name.

Food for thought.
 
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All that red is all the manufacturing lost (offshored) over the last 30 years. Meanwhile, in the age of the internet, it's becoming very easy to offshore the green (email your invoices etc off to a guy in india to do your book keeping for you), hence if something isn't done then the green, as you can see by its trend reversal in about 2018, would go next.

Tariff raising is a straight up sledgehammer to the race to the bottom/globalisation of the labour force that globalisation created. Smashing that system to smithereens, whilst trying to do something to fix the fiscal position of the government is its purpose.
 
I’m sure Americans will be thrilled when prices for imported goods start climbing much higher, especially his supporter base, “but Trump told us prices were coming down!”,
 
I’m sure Americans will be thrilled when prices for imported goods start climbing much higher, especially his supporter base, “but Trump told us prices were coming down!”,
Take a look at how little america actually trades with the world and then spread that tariff amount through three, four, five layers of production and you'll see it's a fairly small number.

E.g if microchips were 10% of a car's cost, add 25% tariff, car cost only goes up by 2.5%. Hardly world ending.
 
Meanwhile, after a brief rebound yesterday, U.S markets continue the slaughter tonight.

Considering that fridays usually end in the red more often than the green and especially so during times of uncertainty, the week's looking to be an absolute catastrophe.
 


Accurate. In a game of who can be the most pig-headed, the idea that you're going to win against trump is just... ugh.
 
Steel and aluminium are definitely a huge cost base across many sectors, then add taxes to the increased price.
 
Must be full fear mode, BRK B is up
 
plenty of room on the downside before 'catastrophe'

you would need to test 2022 yearly lows before getting concerned

and Buffet still has a wad of cash to lift something(s)
 
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