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Garpal Gumnut said:
No mate, what hurts us is that the Powerbrokers in the ALP are the Ruling Class and rule and become rich on the hopes and aspirations of good local ALP members.

As Kim Beasley Senior said on the decline of the ALP: "It turned its back on the cream of the working class in its rush to embrace the dregs of the middle class."

That was in the 70's and its now achieved it, a millionaire as PM and many in Cabinet in the monetary hold of the Chinese and Big Business.

Tony Abbott wouldn't tolerate that.

Its poor mugs like you who keep these silvertail ALP bosses in power, none of whom have ever done an honest days work in a proper job or run a business.

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Well spoken GG. You are a man after my own heart living in the best place in Aus.
Where? Townsville of course.
 
todster said:
People didn't vote for Kevin Rudd they voted Johnny out.
How long ago was a millionaire banker running your
mob?
Proper days work there all bloody lawyers spare me.
Besides industrial relations they have made no noticeable change either way to me.
The best part is how much it fires up the Libs supporters when not in office.
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Rudd sucked in the naive like you mate with his lies, spin, broken promises and absolute inefficency in his hair brain schemes which you and I will be paying for years with increased taxes. Please don't elude yourself.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
What is needed is more honesty in politics.

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I hope you're not holding your breath, gg.

noco said:
Rudd sucked in the naive like you mate with his lies, spin, broken promises and absolute inefficency in his hair brain schemes which you and I will be paying for years with increased taxes. Please don't elude yourself.
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Noco, I doubt that Todster is deluded, any more than he/she is a committed Labor voter. He/she suggested that Mr Howard was voted out, rather than Mr Rudd actually being voted in.
I agree.
Mr Howard had held on to power for about as long as it was reasonable to expect, and there's usually a mood for change after that many years.
Add to this the Libs' bad judgement in going too far with Work Choices, and I reckon that was all that was needed to tip previously loyal Lib voters over to vote ALP.

However, because of the growing realisation that Mr Rudd is more about spin than substance, the electorate is restless and nervous again. But Tony Abbott, with all his inconsistencies, and his tendency to run off at the mouth without thinking, isn't presenting a completely credible alternative.
Add to that, the considerable loss of talent from the Libs, most recently Malcolm Turnbull who was much liked by some voters. Nick Minchin also is a decided loss.

On the Rudd proposal re health, Mr Brumby's 7.30 Report interview was quite impressive this evening. Excellent to see someone so clearly standing up to Mr Rudd. As Mr Brumby said, Rudd is not offering any new money, and is simply expecting the States to relinquish a percentage of their GST revenue, so that Rudd can recycle it as Federal money. How does that benefit either the States or the health system?
The other point that Mr Brumby so correctly made is that the GST revenue to the States was agreed on the basis that the States abolished various State taxes. So would we now expect that with the loss of that GST revenue, some of these State taxes would be re-introduced?

Is there anyone who can actually see a benefit from the little we know of Rudd's health "reform"?
 
Yes, I agree Julia. No benefit at all. As Brumby states, it is just a recyle of the GST without any additional benefits of beds, doctors and nurses.
Brumby inherited a healthy hospital system from the previous Liberal Government and he realizes his 30% of the GST will go to the states most in need, or perhaps I should say the badly managed states who have hospital inefficencies.
 
noco said:
Yes, I agree Julia. No benefit at all. As Brumby states, it is just a recyle of the GST without any additional benefits of beds, doctors and nurses.
Brumby inherited a healthy hospital system from the previous Liberal Government and he realizes his 30% of the GST will go to the states most in need, or perhaps I should say the badly managed states who have hospital inefficencies.
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Excuse my ignorance but being from another state maybe you could tell who was the healthy system inherited from and when?
 
Maybe we need a national health takeover, if only to implement a competent system to pay staff on time.

Apparently about 1,000 Qld health staff have still not been paid for a month or so.
 
noco said:
Health has always been a State responsibility for years and the Labor states have not handled it very well at all.
Rudd said if the states did not get their act together by July1 2009, he would take them over fullstop. The buck was supposed to have stopped with him. He has gone to water knowing full well he does not have the confidence to impliment such a scheme. He can now leave the door open to blame someone else if his scheme fails.
Don't get me wrong, everybody wants health reform including me and that's why Rudd thinks he is on a winner. But can he do it without stuffing up like everything esle he has tried to do? As Brumby states, we can't wait untill 2014. He wants it now. Rudd will probably be out of office then. So what has got to loose?
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In your own words health is a state responsibility and you go on to say that Brumby inherited a healthy hospital system from previous liberal govt is that Jeff Kennett?
You can't have it both ways.
And you call me naive
 
Julia said:
I hope you're not holding your breath, gg.


Noco, I doubt that Todster is deluded, any more than he/she is a committed Labor voter. He/she suggested that Mr Howard was voted out, rather than Mr Rudd actually being voted in.
I agree.
Mr Howard had held on to power for about as long as it was reasonable to expect, and there's usually a mood for change after that many years.
Add to this the Libs' bad judgement in going too far with Work Choices, and I reckon that was all that was needed to tip previously loyal Lib voters over to vote ALP.

However, because of the growing realisation that Mr Rudd is more about spin than substance, the electorate is restless and nervous again. But Tony Abbott, with all his inconsistencies, and his tendency to run off at the mouth without thinking, isn't presenting a completely credible alternative.
Add to that, the considerable loss of talent from the Libs, most recently Malcolm Turnbull who was much liked by some voters. Nick Minchin also is a decided loss.

On the Rudd proposal re health, Mr Brumby's 7.30 Report interview was quite impressive this evening. Excellent to see someone so clearly standing up to Mr Rudd. As Mr Brumby said, Rudd is not offering any new money, and is simply expecting the States to relinquish a percentage of their GST revenue, so that Rudd can recycle it as Federal money. How does that benefit either the States or the health system?
The other point that Mr Brumby so correctly made is that the GST revenue to the States was agreed on the basis that the States abolished various State taxes. So would we now expect that with the loss of that GST revenue, some of these State taxes would be re-introduced?

Is there anyone who can actually see a benefit from the little we know of Rudd's health "reform"?
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Excellent post Julia. It would appear that if we are to look past the fanfare and sprooking of a federaly co-ordinated Hospital scheme, all that would be acheived is a centralising of control away from the states with no increase in funding.
This would enable existing funds to be distributed where the fat controller thinks most appropriate as against where the funds were being raised. With no increase in funds comming into the scheme, the only way areas in need of more support could be funded, would be to decrease funds from other areas. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
What appears to be needed is a long term investment in infrastructure (hospitals & beds), staffing(Doctors & Nurses) and education for future staffing.
You'd think, with all the information available from data collected by Health Insurance Funds, that it could be worked out where the infrastructure is needed now and where it will be needed in the future. Then some planning and development could be put in place through joint involvement of Federal and State Governments without the grandstanding and mud slinging.
 
todster said:
In your own words health is a state responsibility and you go on to say that Brumby inherited a healthy hospital system from previous liberal govt is that Jeff Kennett?
You can't have it both ways.
And you call me naive
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I don't understand your quote "You can't have it both ways".

Jeff Kennett was the Liberal leader of the Victorian state Government and had the hospital system in good shape. I repeat HEALTH has always been a state responsibilty. Queensland and NSW are a complete shambles and this is what Brumby fears will happen to a portion of his 30% of the GST. Rudd will distribute it to the poorly managed states with Victoria receiving less than their share.
 
todster said:
Excuse my ignorance but being from another state maybe you could tell who was the healthy system inherited from and when?
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First you apologise for you poor English and now you are asking us to excuse your ignorance. With a little bit of study you could overcome both these handicaps.
 
noco said:
I don't understand your quote "You can't have it both ways".

Jeff Kennett was the Liberal leader of the Victorian state Government and had the hospital system in good shape. I repeat HEALTH has always been a state responsibilty. Queensland and NSW are a complete shambles and this is what Brumby fears will happen to a portion of his 30% of the GST. Rudd will distribute it to the poorly managed states with Victoria receiving less than their share.
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What in 1999?
Steve Bracks 1999-2007?
The only reason Kennett would of had the hospitals in good shape was because everyone moved to QLD and WA
 
Calliope said:
First you apologise for you poor English and now you are asking us to excuse your ignorance. With a little bit of study you could overcome both these handicaps.
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The fact it seems to annoy you makes it no handicap to me :)
 
todster said:
The fact it seems to annoy you makes it no handicap to me :)
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Apparently your main intention is to annoy those whom you regard as your class enemies.

I am only trying to help you. If you are still at school it is not too late to apply a little diligence. If not, you should regard every day as a learning opportunity and overcome your resentment of those who have done better than you by self-improvement.
 
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS ! :banghead:
 

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Calliope said:
Apparently your main intention is to annoy those whom you regard as your class enemies.

I am only trying to help you. If you are still at school it is not too late to apply a little diligence. If not, you should regard every day as a learning opportunity and overcome your resentment of those who have done better than you by self-improvement.
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You could be on to something here!
Maybe i need a mentor
Are you keen?
Your on here a lot so you must have plenty of time
I could be your mini me
We could be a team and rid this place of poor grammar forever
 
While Abbott is indulging himself on a senseless bike ride, Premier Brumby is doing his job for him. His job is to kick Rudd ar*e, not waste time with the lycra set.
 
It would appear that if he is not in his budgie smugglers at the beach or dressed in lycra riding his bike the media really do not have too much to pin on the mad monk? If he keeps his mouth shut and watches Herr Rudd slowly implode before our very eyes his approval rating goes up? Admittedly this is only to do with homeland border security but is it enough to gain credibility with the voting public? Hmmmmmmmmmmm .. I think not !

The Newspoll shows that Mr Abbott's demands for a tougher line on illegal boat arrivals have attracted stronger support among Coalition voters than when Malcolm Turnbull was Liberal leader. In November last year, 54 per cent of Coalition supporters said they preferred the Coalition to handle the issue but last weekend that jumped 27 percentage points to 81 per cent.

Labor's primary vote has remained unchanged on 43 per cent while the Coalition's has gone from 38 to 40 per cent.

Maybe a gimp mask to silence him for awhile until the numbers improve would do the trick?
 
As I mentioned previously ... a gimp mask to stop this buffoon from shooting himself out of a media frenzied cannon only to be torn to shreds in the polls.

The Federal Opposition Leader raised the controversial idea during a two-hour meeting with senior resources industry leaders in Perth on Monday night, The Australian newspaper reports.

He said that cutting dole payments to people aged under 30 would take pressure off the welfare system and reduce the need to bring in large numbers of skilled migrants to staff mining projects in Western Australia and Queensland.

But Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Howes attacked Mr Abbott's remarks.

"If he genuinely thinks you are going to solve an economically crippling skills shortage by taking punitive measures against welfare recipients, he has clearly never lived in the real world," Mr Howes said.

http://www.news.com.au/money/money-...ns-the-under-30s/story-e6frfmd9-1225856181945

Who is next after Hockey? What about Peter Dutton and Christopher Pyne? Dutton is from the Right. Pyne is the leader of the moderates.
 
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