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Duckman#72 said:
That's fine, but I have a big problem with the inconsistant line of questioning towards Abbott. Please explain how Abbott's "values" are different to those of Rudd's. Are Catholics more religious than Anglicans? Are Catholic values stronger than Anglican values? Why does Abbott have to reconcile his religious faith with his position as Opposition Leader but Kevin Rudd is not required to reconcile his policies back to his Church's teachings? It is an irrelevant, double-standard, mischievious nonsense.



I thought he answered the question as well as he could. What is the right answer anyway? Who would really know? Obviously Tony Jones and ALP supporters were wanting him to admit that Jesus would "open his arms to refugees". I thought Tony did a good job providing an example of Jesus taking a stance on an issue.

Duckman
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Honest and thought-provoking post Duckman. It would be great for Mr.Limelight (The P.M.) to extrapolate a little on his devout inner-spiritual thoughts on these matters. Nah! Back to Abbott. :eek:
 
A balanced view could be achieved by watching the ABC and being on this forum.
Cant remember the last time i read anything positive on the Rudd machine on here.
What has the mad monk got to offer, watered down work choices and a health system which they had plenty of time to fix in office.

If Abbott is there best option for leader i think there chances are laughable.
 
todster said:
A balanced view could be achieved by watching the ABC and being on this forum.
Cant remember the last time i read anything positive on the Rudd machine on here.
What has the mad monk got to offer, watered down work choices and a health system which they had plenty of time to fix in office.

If Abbott is there best option for leader i think there chances are laughable.
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Totally. Wouldn't it be great if we (ASF) could have the backing of a marketing mailboxing branch-stacking machine to further our own views to reach the ultimate pinnacle? THE U.N.

Impossible. Just pay your taxes and shut-up!!!

Oh and I'm not sorry Senator Conroy.
 

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todster said:
A balanced view could be achieved by watching the ABC and being on this forum.
Cant remember the last time i read anything positive on the Rudd machine on here.
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The big difference between the ABC and ASF is that the former is owned by all Australians and should represent the views of all Australians, whereas the latter is owned by Joe and allows a wide range of political opinions.

On my listening, viewing and surfing of the ABC, it primarily caters for the hairy legged microbrains of all three sexes, braindead greens and anyone on the left who has graduated from a second rate Uni such as the ANU with a mickey mouse degree in politics, media or marketing.

The ABC resents the mainstream, any policies of the right and for entertainment primarily broadcasts BBC and Yankee shows.

The last time anyone on the ABC had an original fair dinkum Australian thought was on the last episode of Counterpoint in any week since its first broadcast.

And they hate Abbott, because he's got the guts to go over their heads to the Australian people and they fear him because of this.

gg
 
todster said:
A balanced view could be achieved by watching the ABC and being on this forum.
Cant remember the last time i read anything positive on the Rudd machine on here.
What has the mad monk got to offer, watered down work choices and a health system which they had plenty of time to fix in office.

If Abbott is there best option for leader i think there chances are laughable.
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Health has always been a State responsibility for years and the Labor states have not handled it very well at all.
Rudd said if the states did not get their act together by July1 2009, he would take them over fullstop. The buck was supposed to have stopped with him. He has gone to water knowing full well he does not have the confidence to impliment such a scheme. He can now leave the door open to blame someone else if his scheme fails.
Don't get me wrong, everybody wants health reform including me and that's why Rudd thinks he is on a winner. But can he do it without stuffing up like everything esle he has tried to do? As Brumby states, we can't wait untill 2014. He wants it now. Rudd will probably be out of office then. So what has got to loose?
 
When we're considering Mr Rudd's proposal of increased Federal funding and responsibility for health (and it's not a takeover, remember, just a shift in the split!), let's remember that the Commonwealth has for as long as I can remember had total responsibility for aged care.

There would not be another aspect of the health system, barring perhaps mental health, which is so lacking in funding and appropriate supervision.

If this is the best the Commonwealth can do, it's difficult to see how the health system in general is going to be improved by a small shift in the financial arrangements. No more hospital beds. No more doctors. No more nurses in the foreseeable future.

Do we have any ASF members who can actually say what real benefits the proposed health 'reforms' will bring to us, the users of the health system?
Do any health care workers actually see how these proposed reforms will improve their workplace, the care they deliver, or benefit their patients?
 
I was impressed with Abbott, I felt he handled himself well considering the barrage of questions he received which were of a often subjective manner. In saying that I believe it is important he is drilled on this as Australians fear his conservative theology, the jury is still out on that one.
I was expecting the usual antagonistic Abbott that denounces Rudd at every opportunity but it was good see his direction on topics even if it was obscure at times.
I was disappointed that he is sitting on the fence regarding the mandatory internet filtering.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
The big difference between the ABC and ASF is that the former is owned by all Australians and should represent the views of all Australians, whereas the latter is owned by Joe and allows a wide range of political opinions.

On my listening, viewing and surfing of the ABC, it primarily caters for the hairy legged microbrains of all three sexes, braindead greens and anyone on the left who has graduated from a second rate Uni such as the ANU with a mickey mouse degree in politics, media or marketing.

The ABC resents the mainstream, any policies of the right and for entertainment primarily broadcasts BBC and Yankee shows.

The last time anyone on the ABC had an original fair dinkum Australian thought was on the last episode of Counterpoint in any week since its first broadcast.

And they hate Abbott, because he's got the guts to go over their heads to the Australian people and they fear him because of this.

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Still can't find a pinko leftie here though.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
On my listening, viewing and surfing of the ABC, it primarily caters for the hairy legged microbrains of all three sexes, braindead greens and anyone on the left who has graduated from a second rate Uni such as the ANU with a mickey mouse degree in politics, media or marketing.

gg
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You should also include those graduates with degrees in the "yarts".
 
thanks Caliope, i wanted to say that. :)

and hey, my first degree was in 'yarts'... and i was vegetarian for years. I might have once been a pinko, by asf standards - does that count? I'm a pretty poor trader though, probably due to being born and raised by pinko lefties. :cautious:

So much as I love liberty, democracy, capitalism and free markets and all that, i can't actually draw much personal gain from it, through complete lack of knowledge and talent. I just hang out here in the hope i will someday get smarter. :D

I didn't vote for krudd, and still wouldn't, and can't wait to see the back of him; every move this government makes is like an execution :(
 
Geez it must be hurting you people from the ruling class that the ALP are in power and will remain in power.
Sorry for poor english Calliope
 
todster said:
Geez it must be hurting you people from the ruling class that the ALP are in power and will remain in power.
Sorry for poor english Calliope
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No mate, what hurts us is that the Powerbrokers in the ALP are the Ruling Class and rule and become rich on the hopes and aspirations of good local ALP members.

As Kim Beasley Senior said on the decline of the ALP: "It turned its back on the cream of the working class in its rush to embrace the dregs of the middle class."

That was in the 70's and its now achieved it, a millionaire as PM and many in Cabinet in the monetary hold of the Chinese and Big Business.

Tony Abbott wouldn't tolerate that.

Its poor mugs like you who keep these silvertail ALP bosses in power, none of whom have ever done an honest days work in a proper job or run a business.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
No mate, what hurts us is that the Powerbrokers in the ALP are the Ruling Class and rule and become rich on the hopes and aspirations of good local ALP members.

As Kim Beasley Senior said on the decline of the ALP: "It turned its back on the cream of the working class in its rush to embrace the dregs of the middle class."

That was in the 70's and its now achieved it, a millionaire as PM and many in Cabinet in the monetary hold of the Chinese and Big Business.

Tony Abbott wouldn't tolerate that.

Its poor mugs like you who keep these silvertail ALP bosses in power, none of whom have ever done an honest days work in a proper job or run a business.

gg
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People didn't vote for Kevin Rudd they voted Johnny out.
How long ago was a millionaire banker running your
mob?
Proper days work there all bloody lawyers spare me.
Besides industrial relations they have made no noticeable change either way to me.
The best part is how much it fires up the Libs supporters when not in office.
 
todster said:
People didn't vote for Kevin Rudd they voted Johnny out.
How long ago was a millionaire banker running your
mob?
Proper days work there all bloody lawyers spare me.
Besides industrial relations they have made no noticeable change either way to me.
The best part is how much it fires up the Libs supporters when not in office.
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Thats a fair point Todster.

I'm an anarchist anyhow, so whoever is in power is abusing people's freedoms imho.

I do have connections however with Federal Libs and NSW ALP Right, so I play both sides.

What is needed is more honesty in politics.

gg

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