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GumbyLearner said:
....As for Abbott or Rudd, I won't be voting for either.
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Yep, me too.

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Garpal Gumnut said:
The margin of error is usually defined as the radius of a confidence interval for a particular statistic from a survey. When a single, global margin of error is reported for a survey, it refers to the maximum margin of error for all reported percentages using the full sample from the survey. If the statistic is a percentage, this maximum margin of error can be calculated as the radius of the confidence interval for a reported percentage of 50%. I suggest that a poll with a random sample of larger numbers than were standing in the Ross River Hotel that night having a margin of sampling error of 3% for the estimated percentage of the whole population. A 3% margin of error means that if the same procedure is used a large number of times, 95% of the time the true population average will be within the 95% confidence interval of the sample estimate plus or minus 3%. The margin of error can be reduced by using a larger sample, however if a pollster wishes to reduce the margin of error to 1% they would need a sample of around 10,000 people.

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You heard it here first ASfer's. Surely this confirms that GG is connected to the machine men pollsters eg. AC Nielsen, Morgan Gallup etc..

But one must doubt his stratified-sampling . :rolleyes:
 
LOL @ Labor lackie. Why is it that if you dont agree with something, you are a Labor voter?

btw, what happened to Mr Burns, havent seen any posts from him in ages.
 
noco said:
Why can't you Labor lackies be honest for once. Open your eyes man and don't believe everything you read in the paper of statements made by our dear Julia. Overtime pay and penalty rates were well and truly compensated with increased rates in Work Place Agreements. The calculations on pays were also made easier without having to be menaced with time and a half or double time or what you should receive on a public holidays or whether one worked on night shift or day shift
You can't tell me in the majority of mining projects that work place agreements still don't exist where one works a 12 hour day in some cases two weeks straight in mines that operate 24/7.
I know of a case in Townsville where this woman has worked for a well known Hotel for 25years. She is on rostered days which may include Saturdays and Sundays. She works a 38 hour week and her pay never varies from one week to the next, however the rate of pay is well over the award for the duty she performs. I believe in the vicinity of some + 15%. She receives sick leave, 4 weeks annual holidays and long sevice leave. The variation in wage rates are agreed to every 2 years. Any employee who is worth his/her 'SALT" will, in the majority of cases, be well and truly compensated by his /her employer.
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Same pay from one week to next sounds like a salary to me.
Take away penalties for a equal flat pay rate just to make it easier on the pay clerk?
Trust me we'll look after ya mate bahahaha.
 
noco said:
What on Earth is Peter Costello trying to do to Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party with his criticism of the Parental Maternity leave?

Is Costello now working for the Labor Party?

What a feast those Labor Party stooges will have in Question time today!!
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Maybe Peter Costello is trying prevent the Coaltion from winning the next election with his terse remarks. I'm beginning to beleive Costello has a premonition of a double dip recession in 2011 and wants to keep the Coalition free of the problem. Maybe Rudd wants to loose the next election for the same reason.
 
noco said:
Maybe Peter Costello is trying prevent the Coaltion from winning the next election with his terse remarks. I'm beginning to beleive Costello has a premonition of a double dip recession in 2011 and wants to keep the Coalition free of the problem. Maybe Rudd wants to loose the next election for the same reason.
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Noco, you're attributing lofty motivation to Mr Costello for his damaging remarks, i.e. that he is essentially concerned for the wellbeing of the Liberal Party.

Did it occur to you that he is still mightily put out by what he sees as John Howard's failure to keep to their agreement to hand over the leadership before the last election, and is enjoying very much the opportunity to take some revenge.

Consider how long he sat tauntingly on the back bench, refusing to say whether he intended to stay on or not, thus preventing the party from moving on while they waited and hoped he would accept the leadership.

My definite guess is that his motivation is much more likely personal revenge plus a genuine wish not to align himself with Mr Abbott's stupid parental leave plan.
 
I concur with Julia. What I fail to comprehend with my tiny little brain is that these so called "stalwarts" of the party room proper turn into windowlicking felchers that are capable of committing the cardinal sin of "Et tu, Brute?" once their self serving egos have been depraved of the media spotlight for greater than 5 minutes. Costello had his chance and chose not to. Grow some fur on them or get out of the road IMO. :mad:
 
Julia said:
Noco, you're attributing lofty motivation to Mr Costello for his damaging remarks, i.e. that he is essentially concerned for the wellbeing of the Liberal Party.

Did it occur to you that he is still mightily put out by what he sees as John Howard's failure to keep to their agreement to hand over the leadership before the last election, and is enjoying very much the opportunity to take some revenge.

Consider how long he sat tauntingly on the back bench, refusing to say whether he intended to stay on or not, thus preventing the party from moving on while they waited and hoped he would accept the leadership.

My definite guess is that his motivation is much more likely personal revenge plus a genuine wish not to align himself with Mr Abbott's stupid parental leave plan.
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Costello is a has been, and always will be.

Tony Abbott has a great chance to damage Rudd next Tuesday.

I am on my way south to assist, as I want to ensure that Tony does not damage him too much, lest Julia Gillard topples Rudd. She would be a much more formidable ALP PM opponent for the Coalition in a General Election or Double Dissolution.

I do like to see Rudd when he is just a bit damaged, he makes such a fool of himself.

I am in the balmy Stanthorpe tonight, so much cooler than Townsville. Best wishes and safety to all my North Queensland and Central Queensland fellow ASFers through the Cyclone.

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noco said:
You can't tell me in the majority of mining projects that work place agreements still don't exist where one works a 12 hour day in some cases two weeks straight in mines that operate 24/7.
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I know guys working those shifts and pulling 120K per year

noco said:
I know of a case in Townsville where this woman has worked for a well known Hotel for 25years. She is on rostered days which may include Saturdays and Sundays. She works a 38 hour week and her pay never varies from one week to the next, however the rate of pay is well over the award for the duty she performs.
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And i guarantee she's not pulling even half that 120K in fact lucky to get a third of it...so its a :bs: comparison. :2twocents

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Lets see how the election betting market is travelling now?......oh dear, it seem electoral annihilation for the Liberals is still the firm favourite. :)

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2010/02/12/betting-market-friday-2/
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Looks like we have double Labor victory's in TAS and SA with South Aussie looking like a real 'true believers ' Labor victory...big swing against Labor in TAS but not enough to change the status quo.

Strange how the Greens poll so well there..:dunno: TA certainly has a job ahead of him.
 
todster said:
Same pay from one week to next sounds like a salary to me.
Take away penalties for a equal flat pay rate just to make it easier on the pay clerk?
Trust me we'll look after ya mate bahahaha.
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Thats correct.

If my pay went to a salary and was reviewed every 2 years, right now I would be worse off with the increase costs of living with NO WAY of earning any extra money without getting a second job.

Well right now from time to time I get the option of overtime.

In fact last year I earned about 10K above my standard rate of pay due to overtime. Thats NOT something I could acheive without penalty rates! My employer wouldn't pay me that as a salary.

As for award wages.....:headshake...don't get me started on that!

The "award" rates are so far behind the times its not funny. Businesses, with our labour market would be flat out employing someone just on the award rate of pay in my industry.

Engineering Award...C10 ( which is a qualified tradesperson)....min $662 per week:eek:
I assume that BEFORE tax.

So i disagree, wages would not have been reviewed and employees compensated for lost overtime pay. As if I'd believe a politician telling me that!
And personaly IF the Liberals brought that in, I would have done a 38hr week and nothing more...they could sack me if they didn't like it.
Plenty more jobs out there.

ps todster...correct me if I'm wrong but most salary postions are on some kind of bonus structure. Would that have extended to wage earners who lost penalty rates........
 
So_Cynical said:
Looks like we have double Labor victory's in TAS and SA with South Aussie looking like a real 'true believers ' Labor victory...big swing against Labor in TAS but not enough to change the status quo.

Strange how the Greens poll so well there..:dunno: TA certainly has a job ahead of him.
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QLD will be right up there too.

Read some of the comments from the Courier Mail here in QLD. Anna Blight is taxing the **** out of us here and will lose the next election.

From what I'm reading, people don't like the oppostion much better but are going broke under Anna Blight!
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Tony Abbott has a great chance to damage Rudd next Tuesday.
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Or vice versa. Rudds's whole election strategy is based on the public perception that he has a panacea for our ailing hospital and health systems. He doesn't actually have to do anything. All he has to do is to maintain this perception through the next election. The vast majority of the electorate has already been won over.

He can't afford to let Abbott put any dents in this perception. The Labor machine is determined to paint Abbott as an obstructionist who is trying to derail a great health initiative. The front bench worked on this all the week.

Rudd can't afford to lose this debate.
 
Watching the debate on TV and notice the infamous worm more often + or going up for Rudd and going down for Abbot! :eek:

PS: When Abbot was talking about local boards for hospitals the worm liked him. Crititism of unions and mention of workplace relations he went sour.
 
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