Tony Abbott for PM

[chops_a_must]

Exactly. It's ironic that he was elected leader essentially as a protest against Malcolm Turnbull's unilateral behaviour, and now he is doing the same thing. If the Libs once again descend into a squabbling rabble, they can forget about even being competitive.
Pretty depressing looking at both parties imo.

It is ironic, especially considering Abbott was very well known as a turkey, shoot your mouth off type bomb thrower, who wouldn't even consult his advisors before saying something. So... the Libs have what they deserve, I guess.

 

[wayneL]

Its about the complete loss of productivity for a minimum of 26 weeks that concerns employers. This would be a major deterrent for a small business to employ a female of child bearing age. Most country's with paid maternity leave offer 12-16 weeks, its absurd for Abbott to offer 26 weeks.
So if your an employer with the choice between a young female in a healthy relationship or a young male, assuming similar qualifications and experience who would you employ?

Abso-bloody-lutely!!

I like female employees. Back in the old days when I ran a business the median female would outperform the median male, (with males occupying both extremities of the bell curve). If they wanted to start a family is was with sadness that we bid them adieu.

As a true liberal (not the socialist facsimile), I find parental leave is an abomination and an economic madness... more middle class welfare essentially.

...not to mention cognitively dissonant (agw etc)

I do believe we need paid maternity leave to close the gap on the private vs public sector but Abbott's proposal is a joke.

I do believe it should be removed altogether. (with caveats)

 

[Duckman#72]

It's a little concerning the direction both parties seem to be taking. But now maternity leave is on the agenda, it will be a choice between Rudd’s or Abbotts. I have an issue currently with the liberals opposing everything in the senate as well just for the sake of it.

I cannot understand what the hell is going on with Australian politics!!:bonk:

On one hand you have Kevin Rudd openly aggressive against the States/Medical Fraternity and anyone else that dares suggest to ask questions about his health plan. Did he learn anything from "Insulation-gate", or his attempt to crash through with the ETS??

On the other hand you have Abbott trying to bend over backwards to cater to the women's liber's. Who ironically wouldn't support Abbott in a month of Sundays. He's deliberately set fire to his own house.

They've all gone mad.

Duckman

 

[Julia]

They've all gone mad.

Duckman

That's about right, Duckman. It's becoming farcical and hence quite depressing.
It's so hard to understand why they don't seem to learn from their previous heinous errors. You also have to wonder what the armies of media advisers and policy wonks are actually doing to earn their money.

Even Kerry O'Brien in an interview with Lindsay Tanner this evening was hammering the ridiculous withholding of the Henry Tax Review which has been in the government's possession since Christmas.

Good on Kristina Keneally in NSW for insisting that this be released before NSW at least will give any decision on the health reforms (such as they are.)
What is in the Henry Report that the government are so unwilling to face up to?

 

[nulla nulla]

That's about right, Duckman. It's becoming farcical and hence quite depressing.
It's so hard to understand why they don't seem to learn from their previous heinous errors. You also have to wonder what the armies of media advisers and policy wonks are actually doing to earn their money.

Even Kerry O'Brien in an interview with Lindsay Tanner this evening was hammering the ridiculous withholding of the Henry Tax Review which has been in the government's possession since Christmas.

Good on Kristina Keneally in NSW for insisting that this be released before NSW at least will give any decision on the health reforms (such as they are.)
What is in the Henry Report that the government are so unwilling to face up to?

Kerry seemed to lose his pro labor gloss as he had a good go at Tanner. "If T Abbott is as blocking as the Labor goverment wants us to believe, why doesn't K Rudd call a double dissolution now and go to the polls?".
Tanners response about the government being determined to govern for the full term almost suggested a lack of confidence by the government in winning a second term in a double dissolution scenario. Lessons learnt from history perhaps?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I did some polling at the Ross Island Hotel last night, a good average pub, very representative of many throughout Australia, as to who would me best PM..


Rudd 14%
Abbott 58%
Fugov 10%
Too Pissed, 8%
Too Stoned 8%
Too Demented 2%



It doesn't look good for the ALP.


Tony Abbott will be PM., this year.

gg

 

[noco]

That's about right, Duckman. It's becoming farcical and hence quite depressing.
It's so hard to understand why they don't seem to learn from their previous heinous errors. You also have to wonder what the armies of media advisers and policy wonks are actually doing to earn their money.

Even Kerry O'Brien in an interview with Lindsay Tanner this evening was hammering the ridiculous withholding of the Henry Tax Review which has been in the government's possession since Christmas.

Good on Kristina Keneally in NSW for insisting that this be released before NSW at least will give any decision on the health reforms (such as they are.)
What is in the Henry Report that the government are so unwilling to face up to?

Julia, I have the belief there are some nasties in the Henry Tax Review like an increase in the GST to 12.5% and Rudd would be keen to try and withhold its release untill after the election. To release it before would undoubtedly have a detrimental effort on their chances of winning. They would be viewed upon as absolute hypocrites in light of the fact the Labor Party were going to dismantle the GST under Beasely. They know they will be crucified if they attempted to increase it.
Kritina Keneally might just get her way!

 

[nioka]

I did some polling at the Ross Island Hotel last night, a good average pub, very representative of many throughout Australia, as to who would me best PM..


Rudd 14%
Abbott 58%
Fugov 10%
Too Pissed, 8%
Too Stoned 8%
Too Demented 2%



It doesn't look good for the ALP.


Tony Abbott will be PM., this year.

gg

I've just taken a poll at my building site. A few wage earners and a few subbies. 100% Rudd.

Doesn't look good for Abbott being PM this year.

There are polls and there are polls. Then again we have a great active Labor member after a century of Nationals or CP. This election will get down to local members.
The talk was "Rudd is a pansy, Abbott is a sleeze bag".?????????????????

 

[dutchie]

The talk was "Rudd is a pansy, Abbott is a sleeze bag".?????????????????

Pretty incisive of them.

 

[Julia]

Julia, I have the belief there are some nasties in the Henry Tax Review like an increase in the GST to 12.5% and Rudd would be keen to try and withhold its release untill after the election. To release it before would undoubtedly have a detrimental effort on their chances of winning. They would be viewed upon as absolute hypocrites in light of the fact the Labor Party were going to dismantle the GST under Beasely. They know they will be crucified if they attempted to increase it.
Kritina Keneally might just get her way!

Yes, obviously the report has come up with some electorally distasteful suggestions, hence they are unwilling to release it.
I don't think it will be to do with the GST though. Unless I have misunderstood the terms and refs given to Dr Henry, this included the GST specifically being excepted from his considerations.

 

[noco]

I've just taken a poll at my building site. A few wage earners and a few subbies. 100% Rudd.

Doesn't look good for Abbott being PM this year.

There are polls and there are polls. Then again we have a great active Labor member after a century of Nationals or CP. This election will get down to local members.
The talk was "Rudd is a pansy, Abbott is a sleeze bag".?????????????????

nioka, are you a union leader swingin' a baseball bat around their heads. If that was the case, I too would be terrified to say anythimg against KRUDD.

GG took that poll in a strong Labor area of Railway Estate Townsville where many ordinary working people live. There are three State Labor MP's in Townsville who absolutely useless. Is it any wonder Labor are on the nose in Townsville.

 

[overhang]

nioka, are you a union leader swingin' a baseball bat around their heads. If that was the case, I too would be terrified to say anythimg against KRUDD.

GG took that poll in a strong Labor area of Railway Estate Townsville where many ordinary working people live. There are three State Labor MP's in Townsville who absolutely useless. Is it any wonder Labor are on the nose in Townsville.

Yes because GG's unbiased poll seems definitive, clearly a large sample size that represents people from all demographics.......

 

[GumbyLearner]

Yes because GG's unbiased poll seems definitive, clearly a large sample size that represents people from all demographics.......

If I were allowed to paticipate in GG's sample, I would have been counted in the slavic demographic of Fugov.

At least he didn't do it in Pauline Hanson's old fish & chip shop. Where the menu certainly didn't encourage much in the way of choice.

Such as:

No blackfish, no jewfish, no bombay duck and certainly no battered swedes served here.

 

[todster]

nioka, are you a union leader swingin' a baseball bat around their heads. If that was the case, I too would be terrified to say anythimg against KRUDD.

GG took that poll in a strong Labor area of Railway Estate Townsville where many ordinary working people live. There are three State Labor MP's in Townsville who absolutely useless. Is it any wonder Labor are on the nose in Townsville.

From the state that had Joh for PM

 

[nulla nulla]

Now never you mind about that. Here, have one of Floe's pumpkin scones.

 

[nioka]

nioka, are you a union leader swingin' a baseball bat around their heads. If that was the case, I too would be terrified to say anythimg against KRUDD.
.

You obviously have not read my previous posts over the years. To repeat.

I have never been a union member.

I lost a job in my early years for refusing to join a union.

I have only ever voted Labor once. ( In the last election to help get rid of Howard)

I voted National/ Country party for over 50 years.

I was "on the other side" in mamagement during my early working life.

I was an employer as a businessman for many years.

I have never been terrified to say my piece. Even in the forces I was charged with insubordination for just that.

As a manager of a business years ago I found it reasonable and profitable to accept the union as a partner in the business and not an enemy. That business had over 640 employees represented by many different unions.

I have also held membership in employer organisations.

So what is your angle in your comments.

What terrifies you? If anything terrifies me it is the prospect of Abbott for PM.

Do more research I suggest.

 

[nioka]

Yes because GG's unbiased poll seems definitive, clearly a large sample size that represents people from all demographics.......

In a pub? definitive? Large sample? percentages not numbers? Represents all demographics?

There is a specific thread for the joke of the day.

 

[overhang]

In a pub? definitive? Large sample? percentages not numbers? Represents all demographics?

There is a specific thread for the joke of the day.

I thought my sarcasm was pretty obvious, guess not.

 

[nulla nulla]

In a pub? definitive? Large sample? percentages not numbers? Represents all demographics?

There is a specific thread for the joke of the day.

Maybe Joe should transfers all the posts in this thread to "Joke of the Day"?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Yes because GG's unbiased poll seems definitive, clearly a large sample size that represents people from all demographics.......

If I were allowed to paticipate in GG's sample, I would have been counted in the slavic demographic of Fugov.

At least he didn't do it in Pauline Hanson's old fish & chip shop. Where the menu certainly didn't encourage much in the way of choice.

Such as:

No blackfish, no jewfish, no bombay duck and certainly no battered swedes served here.

In a pub? definitive? Large sample? percentages not numbers? Represents all demographics?

There is a specific thread for the joke of the day.

Some ASF members disappoint me in their insinuation that the poll at the Ross River Hotel this week was not "definitive"

This is not unusual from southerners who feel threatened whenever anyone in the North of Australia threatens their groupmindthink.

I do agree that polls based on samples of populations are subject to sampling error which reflects the effects of chance and uncertainty in the sampling process.

I was scrupulous in calculating my margin of error as I was assisted by a well known Townsville identity affectionately known as "Bong".

The margin of error is usually defined as the radius of a confidence interval for a particular statistic from a survey. When a single, global margin of error is reported for a survey, it refers to the maximum margin of error for all reported percentages using the full sample from the survey. If the statistic is a percentage, this maximum margin of error can be calculated as the radius of the confidence interval for a reported percentage of 50%. I suggest that a poll with a random sample of larger numbers than were standing in the Ross River Hotel that night having a margin of sampling error of 3% for the estimated percentage of the whole population. A 3% margin of error means that if the same procedure is used a large number of times, 95% of the time the true population average will be within the 95% confidence interval of the sample estimate plus or minus 3%. The margin of error can be reduced by using a larger sample, however if a pollster wishes to reduce the margin of error to 1% they would need a sample of around 10,000 people.

I trust this satisfies all those naysayers who questioned the validity of the poll.

Bong, by the way got a migraine after his sterling work, which failing to go away after his usual cure, some High Range dope and Tequila , was admitted to the Townsville Hospital overnight.

Abbott won by a large margin as I reported above.

gg