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FxTrader said:
Poor Tony, the good old days of saying nothing of substance and maintaining a winning margin are over now and every new day brings us the potential for yet another Abbott verbal blunder. Bring it on Tony, keep talking.
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Yes, much better to sit back in gormless wonderment, listening to Rudd explain away six years of diabolical government. LOl

How everyone still focuses on Abbott, while excusing the fiasco of the last six years, is beyond comprehension.:xyxthumbs

Just shows an amazingly gormless fan club, have they forgotten, not six weeks ago they threw out a PM because it was toxic.

Now it's all good, new leader, let's forget and move on.lol,lol

Then if the government is still useless, which one would think it will be, as Rudd was there before, during and after.
What is the next answer parachute in Daffy Duck, Pluto and Mickey Mouse.lol

What an absolute shamozzle.
 
FxTrader said:
"Mr Abbott's assertion that an ETS - to be introduced on July 1, 2014, as the government will announce on Tuesday - was a ''so-called market in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one'' sparked an immediate backlash, with critics pointing out that former Liberal prime minister John Howard designed a similar scheme.
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What does this have to do with the price of fish?

That is like blaming Kevin Rudd for Paul Keating's 'recession we had to have'

Separate governments, separate policy.

That is amongst the longest bows I have seen drawn in a while.
 
Agree, sptrawler.

Labor has sat on their bums and done nothing for 6 years.
Now they are trying to dismantle all their stuff ups that us the public have had to endure and pay for, for the last 6 years

How people can want to put them back in to govern when they are admitting their own mistakes, beats me.
I dont see that in the best interests of Australia.
They have continued just doing what they want all this time and now that an election is coming, they are trying to clean their mess.
Just shows they had no interest in listening before,and wont again.

Rudd was part of all this so no point saying its because he got rid of a bad government, Gillard.
Stop passing the buck, he created this mess and I still see the old crew sitting right next to him
 
Thought this was the Tony Abbott thread.

Another annoying own goal by him which made the front page of the Age.

"An ETS is a so-called market in the non delivery of an invisible substance by no one"

Way to take the pressure off Rudd and get more youth vote against you:rolleyes:

Doesn't he get it? The Chinese are building massive billion dollar ships to transport oil from the tar sands of Canada across the arctic ocean. They wouldn't build them if they didn't think the world was warming.

To quote the Wiggles "Wake up Jeff".
 
Knobby22 said:
Thought this was the Tony Abbott thread.

Another annoying own goal by him which made the front page of the Age.

"An ETS is a so-called market in the non delivery of an invisible substance by no one"

Way to take the pressure off Rudd and get more youth vote against you:rolleyes:

Doesn't he get it? The Chinese are building massive billion dollar ships to transport oil from the tar sands of Canada across the arctic ocean. They wouldn't build them if they didn't think the world was warming.

To quote the Wiggles "Wake up Jeff".
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Is my sarcasm detector turned off this morning?

So the Chinese are spending those billions to transport non-renewable, polluting, fossil fuels instead of investing that very same money in clean, green, renewable energy???

That is the example you are using to suggest the Chinese are concerned about global warming.... oops, climate change?
 
Knobby22 said:
Thought this was the Tony Abbott thread.

Another annoying own goal by him which made the front page of the Age.

"An ETS is a so-called market in the non delivery of an invisible substance by no one"

Way to take the pressure off Rudd and get more youth vote against you:rolleyes:
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There is a huge pressure on Abbott to be careful with every word he utters. Just telling a nagging Guardian reporter Bridie Jabour to "calm down" sent the twitterati into overdrive.
 
springhill said:
Is my sarcasm detector turned off this morning?

So the Chinese are spending those billions to transport non-renewable, polluting, fossil fuels instead of investing that very same money in clean, green, renewable energy???

That is the example you are using to suggest the Chinese are concerned about global warming.... oops, climate change?
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No, its the example being used to show that climate change is real and people are investing billions based on this. Tony acting like a troglodyte doesn't impress most people.

BTW The Chinese are investing heaps in renewable energy.

That's why our top solar scientist who improved the efficiency of solar panels by nearly 100% using the inter-reflection technology invented in Australia now works for the Chinese. That's why the Chinese are leaders in this field and export them everywhere. Remember he tried to stay in Australia but didn't get government support. We are brainless here.

And plainly dumb comments by Abbott does him no good at all in getting the swinging voters.
 
Calliope said:
There is a huge pressure on Abbott to be careful with every word he utters. Just telling a nagging Guardian reporter Bridie Jabour to "calm down" sent the twitterati into overdrive.
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The question is would he have said the same thing to a male journalist?

I wonder why he mentions housewives and irons, but forgot all those husbands - not househusbands mind you - revving up their electrical power tools that probably use up as much electricity as mum doing the weekly ironing.
 
sydboy007 said:
The question is would he have said the same thing to a male journalist?
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I don't see any problem in asking any rude person, male or female, to calm down. What is your problem. Surely you don't count yourself among the "deliriously stupid"?

Like a petulant toddler who doesn't want to hear that ice cream isn't a proper dinner, Bridie Jabour asked the same question in hostile tones no less than nine times.

After answering her eight times, Abbott told her to "calm down" before adding that Gary Gray, the Labor special minister of state at the time, looked at the matter two years ago and said there was nothing to it. Cue Twitter outrage.

Now in the real world, not much consideration would be given to such a pointless exchange. It's not the first time a young activist journalist has made a nuisance of herself at a press conference and it's not the first time a politician has lost their patience.

Being told to "calm down" in those circumstances wouldn't lead to much analysis or anger in the general public but in the Twittersphere, the reaction was fast and furious.

It sparked not just your garden-variety faux outrage that the site is renowned for, but full-blown, unadulterated fury. The deliriously stupid were positively hyperventilating with rage.
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(My bolds)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...tt-is-on-the-run/story-fni0fhh1-1226679223609
 
FxTrader said:
Poor Tony, the good old days of saying nothing of substance and maintaining a winning margin are over now and every new day brings us the potential for yet another Abbott verbal blunder. Bring it on Tony, keep talking.
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sptrawler said:
Yes, much better to sit back in gormless wonderment, listening to Rudd explain away six years of diabolical government. LOl
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There is perhaps a happy medium here. It was a pretty stupid statement by Mr Abbott in a purely political sense. It would have alienated many climate change believers considering voting for the Coalition, and is yet just another rather silly slogan. Mr Abbott would be much better focusing on the inequity of Australia's disadvantage vis a vis most of the rest of the world when we have any sort of carbon tax/ETS in the absence of a global system. Or pointing out some of the rorts that have occurred in the European system. Or the possibility of the floating price increasing when European economies eventually recover.

This is what gets me about Mr Abbott: he takes the really risky political option of saying something that is inevitably going to cause a wide backlash when there are valid and much safer options that his opponents cannot dismiss.

How everyone still focuses on Abbott, while excusing the fiasco of the last six years, is beyond comprehension.:xyxthumbs
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I don't see it that way. I am appalled and horrified at Labor, but that doesn't excuse silly statements from the Opposition leader who, if he keeps it up, is going to lose what a few weeks ago was absolutely the unloseable election.
 
The Labor Party has its own Suite of exquisitely painful self inflicted problems. Tony Abbott falls into the same(big) basket for the Liberals. After hearing this... 'invisible nothing to nowhere'... and now soon be asked to number a box giving the utterer the heads up for policy decisions, beggars belief.
It's as though he feels he's addressing an audience at a sheltered workshop. Oh... that's right I'm on the 'Tony Abbott for PM Thread'
 
Tony Abbotts glib comments about "the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one." exposed his true beliefs about the impact of CO2 on climate change. In climate denier circles one of the common mantras is deriding CO2 as something you can't see. taste touch or smell and therefore clearly can't be causing us any harm. Obvious isn't it ? Certainly if he had made his comments with Gina Rinehart and co he would have been warmly applauded.

In theory TA accepts the science behind Climate change caused by excess human CO2 emissions. But when he describe CO2 in the terms used by climate change deniers he sounds like he's singing off the same hymn book. It would be interesting to see how he responded to an in depth discussion on the topic.

Tony Abbott caught wolf-whistling to climate change denialists

Abbott's latest remarks on carbon pricing betray the fact that his views on climate change are inspired from the depths of the climate denier blogosphere
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...bbott-climate-change-denial#start-of-comments
 
basilio said:
Tony Abbotts glib comments about "the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one." exposed his true beliefs about the impact of CO2 on climate change. In climate denier circles one of the common mantras is deriding CO2 as something you can't see. taste touch or smell and therefore clearly can't be causing us any harm. Obvious isn't it ? Certainly if he had made his comments with Gina Rinehart and co he would have been warmly applauded.
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My understanding is Tony sees buying land near Fukushima a rare opportunity since prices are now so low. He's perplexed over the whole fear over an invisible substance that is naturally occurring all around us.

By his reasoning an increase in CO2 levels and radiation levels are both irrelevant.
 
It would have been better if Abbott had explained that's an ETS can go much higher and unlikely to stay around $6-10. Apparently the EU price was about $60 only five years ago.

From the article below:

And now, Kobad Bhavnagri, Australian head of Bloomberg New Energy Finance, predicts the EU price will drop to $5 next year but climb towards $70 by 2020 as Europe's economy starts to recover and member states cut the current oversupply of permits.
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So is Rudd deceiving the electorate? That would be far worse than what Abbott said, IMO


Read full article:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-on-horizon-20130714-2py85.html#ixzz2Z548IES1
 
Those who insist on using the word 'denier', a pox on your house. Stop crapping on about science when you ar actually playing politics.
 
wayneL said:
Those who insist on using the word 'denier', a pox on your house. Stop crapping on about science when you ar actually playing politics.
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Actually TA is the one who is playing with fire in this skirmish. One one level he is supposed to be saying he accepts the science and reality behind climate change but has a different policy to address the problem. But when he uses the language of climate deniers to deride any apparent reality to CO2 and its effects (something you can't see. taste touch smell etc) he casts serious doubt on his alleged acceptance of climate change science. I believe he will come in for very close scrutiny in the next few days to explain his understanding of the effects of CO2 in teh atmosphere.

Obviously in this forum people can have their own very strong views and clearly many here think almost all mainstream cliamte scientists are lying, delusional or psychopaths. But TA really can't be seen in that company as potential leader of the country.
 
basilio said:
Actually TA is the one who is playing with fire in this skirmish. One one level he is supposed to be saying he accepts the science and reality behind climate change but has a different policy to address the problem. But when he uses the language of climate deniers to deride any apparent reality to CO2 and its effects (something you can't see. taste touch smell etc) he casts serious doubt on his alleged acceptance of climate change science.
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Spot on :xyxthumbs

He's showing signs of cognitive dissonance, which might explain some of his foot in mouth comments recently.

He needs to come out and state categorically if he believes the science on climate change or not. No more trying to appeal to both sides of the debate. He's got a very expensive direct action policy, so one would assume he believes in the science, yet too often lately he's making statements that sound like he is rejecting the science.

It's this kind of equivocation I detest in politicians. They all do it to differing degrees. Stand up and be counted Tony. I think I'd have more respect for him to just come out and say he's yet to accept that climate change is happening than his double faced yes it's true / no it's no depending on what audience he's trying to appeal to.
 
Coalition is at $1.40 and Labor now at $2.83

Things are tightening up, yet still no election date. Abbott will be getting nervous
 
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