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drsmith said:
Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd looked like they were almost making love in Parliament the day the carbon tax legislation passed the Reps, well, as close as those two would ever get anyway.
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I think Rudd is going to end up with a similar result to Gillard, the way he is going.

It's o.k the press having a love fest, the general public will be thinking "what the hell is going on" IMO
 
sptrawler said:
Talk it up as much as you like Syd.

Rudd has undone everything they say they stood for, "This carbon tax is about saving the world" Blah, blah ffing blah.
What a joke, the whole Labor Party have sold theirs, and the auction is ongoing.

No wonder Ferguson and Crean pulled the pin, this is Labor Party Advertising Co we can sell anything, we can BS and get away with it. Just tell them what they want to hear and "would you like fries with that"lol
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So when the ALP do it, that's wrong, but when the Coalition does it, that's OK?

Tony keeps harping on about how the next election will be a matter of trust, yet he's been caught out telling so many porkies I'm quite shocked.

Whether it's his claims the AFP has had $250M ripped out of their budget (correction they had an increase of $300M under the ALP), or telling farmers on the east coast that they should have the right to block resource companies access to their land, then hops over to WA and tells the resource companies they need easier access to private property.

Lest we forget Tony's pensioner electricity bill he tabled in parliament that had doubled due to the carbon tax - oh er well the pensioner had nearly doubled her electricity use but that wasn't relevant. I'm willing to believe Tony just isn't able to correctly read a power bill, because I know he's too hones to have tried to deceive the Australian public and parliament. Got to wonder why one of his staff didn't pick up the mistake though :rolleyes:

Then there was his claims that BHP canned the Olympic Dam expansion due to the MRRT and Carbon tax, yet Marius Cloppers specifically stated neither were a factor in the decision. Oh and Tony, the MRRT is not applicable to copper and uranium, or gold.

Remember last year Tony was too much of a wimp to actually discuss his tow back policy mano e mano with SBY when he was in Indonesia, and his whining that Julia Gillard was in NYC talking to Africans rather than the Indonesian President..only SBY was in NYC and doing a speaking engagement with Gillard.

Another tailoring of his messages is the GST carve up. In WA he says it should be more along the lines of a per capita basis, then hops over to Tasmania just 2 day later and DENIES that he ever made a suggestion to support a per capita GST distribution. Seriously, how does he get away with lies like that?

Then we have Abbtot in his 2010 budget reply speach saying there will be NO redundancies in the first 2 years of a Coalition term, but then Hockey states in 2012 that 12000 redundancies will be just a starting point. Who do we believe? Abbott was reading from his script so that sort of means it's the gospel truth? Doesn't it?

Does anyone remember Michael Johnson and the recording of Tony promising to "fix" his legal problems?
 
All small beer Syd in comparison to a Labor government that introduced a new economy wide tax after it said it wouldn't and is now scrambling to give the appearance it is running from it as fast as it can.

As always, it's a question of relativities for the electorate.
 
sydboy007 said:
So when the ALP do it, that's wrong, but when the Coalition does it, that's OK?

Tony keeps harping on about how the next election will be a matter of trust, yet he's been caught out telling so many porkies I'm quite shocked.

Whether it's his claims the AFP has had $250M ripped out of their budget (correction they had an increase of $300M under the ALP), or telling farmers on the east coast that they should have the right to block resource companies access to their land, then hops over to WA and tells the resource companies they need easier access to private property.

Lest we forget Tony's pensioner electricity bill he tabled in parliament that had doubled due to the carbon tax - oh er well the pensioner had nearly doubled her electricity use but that wasn't relevant.

Then there was his claims that BHP canned the Olympic Dam expansion due to the MRRT and Carbon tax, yet Marius Cloppers specifically stated neither were a factor in the decision. Oh and Tony, the MRRT is not applicable to copper and uranmium, or gold.

Remember last year Tony was too much of a wimp to actually discuss his tow back policy mano e mano with SBY when he was in Indonesia, and his whining that Julia Gillard was in NYC talking to Africans rather than the Indonesia President..only SBY was in NYC and doing a speaking engagement with Gillard.

Another tailoring of his messages is the GST carve up. In WA he says it should be more along the lines of a per capita basis, then hops over to Tasmania just 2 day later and DENIES that he ever made a suggestion to support a per capita GST distribution. Seriously, how does he get away with lies like that?

Then we have Abbtot in his 2010 budget reply speach saying there will be NO redundancies in the first 2 years of a Coalition term, but then Hockey states in 2012 that 12000 redundancies will be just a starting point. Who do we believe? Abbott was reading from his script so that sort of means it's the gospel truth? Doesn't it?

Does anyone remember Michael Johnson and the recording of Tony promising to "fix" his legal problems?
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You do have to keep a grasp on reality Syd, this is the government, backflipping on enacted policy, not an opposition throwing barbs.

Jeez it's hard work, you were telling us how negative Abbott was when they were bringing in the carbon tax.

Now it's o.k Labor are throwing it out, What The?
This was going to pay for and bring about, our nation changing, clean energy jobs.lol,lol

All of a sudden it is o.k to say the asylum seekers aren't genuine and they are taking the pi$$, which is what we've being saying for five years.
But now it's o.k because Labor backflips on it and your still going on about Tony, get a life.

It actually wouldn't suprise me, to see Rudd say they are going fibre to the node, due of course to financial conservatism.

We will see what the majority think at the election.
 
sptrawler said:
You do have to keep a grasp on reality Syd, this is the government, backflipping on enacted policy, not an opposition throwing barbs.

Jeez it's hard work, you were telling us how negative Abbott was when they were bringing in the carbon tax.

Now it's o.k Labor are throwing it out, What The?
This was going to pay for and bring about, our nation changing, clean energy jobs.lol,lol

All of a sudden it is o.k to say the asylum seekers aren't genuine and they are taking the pi$$, which is what we've being saying for five years.
But now it's o.k because Labor backflips on it and your still going on about Tony, get a life.

We will see what the majority think at the election.
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The fixed pricing of the trading scheme is being changed to a floating rate a year earlier.

The goal of a 5% reduction hasn't been changed.

For a backflip it's a pretty small one.

Tony is an aspiring PM. Do you deny any of the issues I've highlighted? Will he push for a per capita GST carve up or not? Will he push for resource companies to have easier access to private land or not?

How can someone decide to vote for the guy when on so many issues he seems to have 2 distinct views. Which one will he do if elected as PM?

Shouldn't the leader of the Opposition keep to the facts and not lie. If they've told the public something factually incorrect, then they should correct the information?

I just find that actions by the coalition seem to be accepted, but something similar from the ALP is condemned.

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drsmith said:
All small beer Syd in comparison to a Labor government that introduced a new economy wide tax after it said it wouldn't and is now scrambling to give the appearance it is running from it as fast as it can.

As always, it's a question of relativities for the electorate.
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So you think being two faced is a small issue for the public?

A few more small beers from Tony and I bet the public will tune out because they will no longer have any trust in what he says
 
sydboy007 said:
The fixed pricing of the trading scheme is being changed to a floating rate a year earlier.

The goal of a 5% reduction hasn't been changed.

For a backflip it's a pretty small one.
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No, no!

It's being terminated. :rolleyes:

From Labor's resurrected Messiah himself,

The government has decided to terminate the carbon tax.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-16/government-to-dump-carbon-tax-but-not-compensation/4822916

sydboy007 said:
So you think being two faced is a small issue for the public?
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I can't wait to see the Coalition ad with Julia Gillard's now infamous words on the carbon tax during the 2010 election campaign followed by that gem from Kev.

Who do you trust ?

As I said, it's all relative.
 
sydboy007 said:
The fixed pricing of the trading scheme is being changed to a floating rate a year earlier.

The goal of a 5% reduction hasn't been changed.

For a backflip it's a pretty small one.
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Pretty small one, you think so, the issue was complicit in Gillard losing her job.lol
Also probably caused about 10 other members to be moving out of politics, shows how your perception is different to mine.:xyxthumbs

sydboy007 said:
Tony is an aspiring PM. Do you deny any of the issues I've highlighted? Will he push for a per capita GST carve up or not? Will he push for resource companies to have easier access to private land or not?

How can someone decide to vote for the guy when on so many issues he seems to have 2 distinct views. Which one will he do if elected as PM?.
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Didn't seem to bother you last election.lol

sydboy007 said:
So you think being two faced is a small issue for the public?
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Not at all, that's why I think the coalition will win.

You are going to have to do better if you are going to talk up Kev.:xyxthumbs
Hope your not doing it for a living. Check out internal polling.:xyxthumbs
 
Well
In my view Abbotts stuffed it up.

He had every opportunity to show real leadership and get on the front foot and really dig in the boot.
Instead he arrogantly sits back and does nothing.

Rudds come out guns blazing promising the muppets with short memories the world.
The muppets are sucked in again.

Lets face it as long as the dole isnt tampered with and the promises keep on rolling out---youll win everytime.

What a sad state Australian politics---Not a leader for miles!
Both self interested self centered I ams!

Wheres Dick Smith when you need him!
Trouble is he'd be surrounded by incompetent Members who have no idea how to run a business let alone a company.

Australia needs a TEAM of Champions!
 
tech/a said:
Well
In my view Abbotts stuffed it up.

He had every opportunity to show real leadership and get on the front foot and really dig in the boot.
Instead he arrogantly sits back and does nothing.

Rudds come out guns blazing promising the muppets with short memories the world.
The muppets are sucked in again.

Lets face it as long as the dole isnt tampered with and the promises keep on rolling out---youll win everytime.

What a sad state Australian politics---Not a leader for miles!
Both self interested self centered I ams!

Wheres Dick Smith when you need him!
Trouble is he'd be surrounded by incompetent Members who have no idea how to run a business let alone a company.

Australia needs a TEAM of Champions!
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Very apt description, of both sides, Tech.:xyxthumbs
 
tech/a said:
Well
In my view Abbotts stuffed it up.

He had every opportunity to show real leadership and get on the front foot and really dig in the boot.
Instead he arrogantly sits back and does nothing.

Rudds come out guns blazing promising the muppets with short memories the world.
The muppets are sucked in again.
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I still of the view that Tony Abbott and the Coalition are happy to let Kev blaze away because at this rate, it won't be to long before he blazes his own head off. Enough rope comes to mind here with this egomaniac.

It's interesting that the Coalition are suggesting Kev recall Parliament over the asylum issue. This could well blow open the doors of Kevin's political cupboard for all to see again just how bare it actually is.

Labor have had a track record of underestimating Tony Abbott and they could well be doing it again. It will only take one political blunder on policy from Kevin Rudd and the whole etiface will come crashing down.
 
drsmith said:
I still of the view that Tony Abbott and the Coalition are happy to let Kev blaze away because at this rate, it won't be to long before he blazes his own head off. Enough rope comes to mind here with this egomaniac.

It's interesting that the Coalition are suggesting Kev recall Parliament over the asylum issue. This could well blow open the doors of Kevin's political cupboard for all to see again just how bare it actually is.

Labor have had a track record of underestimating Tony Abbott and they could well be doing it again. It will only take one political blunder on policy from Kevin Rudd and the whole etiface will come crashing down.
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Yes, at the moment he is playing to an enamoured press gallery. Can't wait to see what happens when the real action starts.

I'm sure it is just as frustrating for Rudd and his supporters, that Abbott isn't jumping in to the policy on the run election campaign.

When the dust settles, this ad hock policy development, will fall on its ar$e as with all his policies.:xyxthumbs
 
sptrawler said:
Yes, at the moment he is playing to an enamoured press gallery. Can't wait to see what happens when the real action starts.

I'm sure it is just as frustrating for Rudd, that Abbott isn't jumping in to the policy on the run election campaign, as it is for Rudd supporters.

When the dust settles, this ad hock policy development, will fall on its ar$e as with all his policies.:xyxthumbs
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Kev may end up being the Napoleon of Australian politics with his sacking as PM in 2010 his Moscow moment and his recent resurrection as PM the return from exile.

All that's left is Waterloo. The asylum issue could well be the start of that.
 
Rudd certainly could fall over and make significant mistakes and perhaps Tony Abbott is biding his time before he makes some significant moves.

At the moment however momentum has shifted and for the first time in ages Labor looks like it has a reasonable chance of victory and a purposeful PM who is cutting through to far more people than Julia Gilliard could. In that context the rest of the Labor party will be bitting their lips and actually having a go at preparing for the election rather than looking for a bolthole to escape. This will be a contest.
 
basilio said:
At the moment however momentum has shifted and for the first time in ages Labor looks like it has a reasonable chance of victory and a purposeful PM who is cutting through to far more people than Julia Gilliard could. In that context the rest of the Labor party will be bitting their lips and actually having a go at preparing for the election rather than looking for a bolthole to escape. This will be a contest.
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Kevin's race is more against time than it is against the Coalition.

Both his and Labor's resurgence in popularity is built on hope. Kevin's race is to get the election done and dusted before this hope is exposed as false.

It's a house of cards that stands on even weaker ground than Julia Gillard's during the 2010 election campaign given Labor's continuing track record in government.
 
basilio said:
Rudd certainly could fall over and make significant mistakes and perhaps Tony Abbott is biding his time before he makes some significant moves.

At the moment however momentum has shifted and for the first time in ages Labor looks like it has a reasonable chance of victory and a purposeful PM who is cutting through to far more people than Julia Gilliard could. In that context the rest of the Labor party will be bitting their lips and actually having a go at preparing for the election rather than looking for a bolthole to escape. This will be a contest.
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Rational assessment. Good to see some objectivity, basilio.:)

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tech/a said:
He had every opportunity to show real leadership and get on the front foot and really dig in the boot.
Instead he arrogantly sits back and does nothing.
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I think perhaps you're mistaking bewilderment and a sense of not knowing how to cope with the resurgent Rudd for arrogance. Mr Abbott has many faults, of course, but I wouldn't include arrogance amongst them.
 
I have general but not unqualified support for the Labor Party. I am still very uncertain about Kevin Rudds capacity to be an effective PM and not blow the Labor Party apart. It just seems so unlikely that he can have changed his modus operandi so much in the past 2 years.

On the other hand I have absolutely no time for Tony Abbott. He is not the person I would want to see leading a country. So its unfortunately a choice between a certain disaster and a probable one..

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Re Tony Abbott. I don't believe he is arrogantly standing back. As I see it he is just not sure how to cope with a more capable debater and better personality. He must be doing a lot of thinking at the moment.
 
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