Tony Abbott for PM

[Calliope]

There was 21.18M australians in 2007 and currently 23.112M. So is it not reasonable to expect that a roughly 10% increase in population will also see an increase in public servants?

By your union standards maybe. As a taxpayer (their employer) I would expect a tad (your word) increase in productivity. Perhaps spending a few minutes less per day at the water cooler or the photocopier or texting.

 

[moXJO]

Poor ole Tony seems to have faded into the wilderness.

In fact the attention is now on the Ashes series as Rudd in peoples mind is home and hosed.

So it's time to close this thead down.

ALP 55%, Coalition 45%

Libs are just reloading. Rudd will implode within the month

 

[sptrawler]

Libs are just reloading. Rudd will implode within the month

I think he already has, just saw an election campaign advert and an election hasn't been called.
Very Tuman experience, hope we are ready for it.lol

 

[sydboy007]

By your union standards maybe. As a taxpayer (their employer) I would expect a tad (your word) increase in productivity. Perhaps spending a few minutes less per day at the water cooler or the photocopier or texting.

I've never worked in the public sector, though my first job was working for a disability charity. The above complaints happen in the private sector. I'd say most of us have done the same while at work.

Some people abuse the flexibility, most of us make a personal call or pay a bill online then back to work.

People seem to berate Public Servants for doing something at work that is fairly common in the private sector.

I'm not arguing for a 10% increase in staffing numbers, but if you are supporting another 10% of customers I'd dare say most private companies would be hiring additional staff to cope with the extra demand.

 

[moXJO]

I've never worked in the public sector, though my first job was working for a disability charity. The above complaints happen in the private sector. I'd say most of us have done the same while at work.

Some people abuse the flexibility, most of us make a personal call or pay a bill online then back to work.

People seem to berate Public Servants for doing something at work that is fairly common in the private sector.

I'm not arguing for a 10% increase in staffing numbers, but if you are supporting another 10% of customers I'd dare say most private companies would be hiring additional staff to cope with the extra demand.

We have multi billion dollar services open such as nbn and climate change who decked out their office with the best money could buy are you sure its only 11000 new pub servs and they havent glossed over some numbers?

 

[sydboy007]

We have multi billion dollar services open such as nbn and climate change who decked out their office with the best money could buy are you sure its only 11000 new pub servs and they havent glossed over some numbers?

I've put in the effort and done my research. If you think my figures are rubbery then spend a few minutes googling to prove me right or wrong

 

[sydboy007]

Just got to love Tony when he goes off script

‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’

Reminds me of an SBS doco talking to teenage boys in Islamic countries and they were explaining why women shouldn't be allowed to drive or in general work as they have "mushy brains".


‘What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up, every year…’

He might have been better to talk about the 60" plasma since I'd say those housewives are probably using it more than the iron, but women stil do more house work than men, and a lot of them ain't housewives these days since they're out working too.

‘Climate change is absolute crap’

So why does he have the direct action policy? Does he just see it as an easy way to funnel billions for the Nationals to spend?

Mal T makes a good point though

If Margaret Thatcher took climate change seriously and believed that we should take action to reduce global greenhouse emissions, then taking action and supporting and accepting the science can hardly be the mark of incipient Bolshevism.

 

[Tink]

Agree moXJO
The way works are done in the public sector makes you shake your head at the waste of money just thrown down the drain. No organization. Empty floors but still adding more extensions. No accountability.

 

[Knobby22]

If you look at the Neilsen poll results you the the amazing results in the 18-24 age group of labor 46%, Coalition 28%, Green 18%. Abbott has done nothing for Gen Y.

 

[MrBurns]

If you look at the Neilsen poll results you the the amazing results in the 18-24 age group of labor 46%, Coalition 28%, Green 18%. Abbott has done nothing for Gen Y.

Abbott this morning asked about the polls said, "I always said it would be like climbing Mt Everest" AGAIN, doesn't the party realise people don't want the same lines regurgitated over and over.

Abbott was struggling the be more popular than Gillard who was the most unpopular leader since Homer Simpson was Mayor of Springfield, he's got no hope against that BS artist Rudd.
Rudd now has it easy.......

The Libs have to decide , do they take their chances hold their nerve and hope the Australian electorate are smart enough to get rid of Labor OR do they move to Turnbull ASAP to try to ensure victory..........they have a week to decide.

 

[Ijustnewit]

If you look at the Neilsen poll results you the the amazing results in the 18-24 age group of labor 46%, Coalition 28%, Green 18%. Abbott has done nothing for Gen Y.

Amazing that's for sure . How many of the 18 - 24 group are still in Uni or unemployed ? How many are still living at home ? How many would have a mortgage or life savings being eroded ? How many of these Gen Y's are being affected in this moment in time by decisions from a poor Government ?
As I've said before we are about to have a Government elected by popularity on Facebook .
If you also take into consideration that the Greens will distribute preferences the chances of a Coalition victory are not looking healthy.
I've also wanted to ask this question for some time .
" Given the popularity of Labor with Gen Y and the demise of the Baby Boomers , could we be looking at decades of successive Labor Governments ? "

 

[sails]

...The Libs have to decide , do they take their chances hold their nerve and hope the Australian electorate are smart enough to get rid of Labor OR do they move to Turnbull ASAP to try to ensure victory..........they have a week to decide.

Turnbull performed dismally against Rudd last time - Abbott did better than Turnbull. If there is a change, perhaps the amicable Hockey would be better against Rudd?


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This is how Turnbull fared against Rudd before Turnbull was dumped:



http://polling.newspoll.com.au/imag...Intention & Leaders Ratings + Best Leader.pdf


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This is how Abbott fared against Rudd before Rudd was dumped:



http://polling.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/100605 Federal Voting Intention & Leaders Ratings.pdf

 

[Julia]

With all the polls, including recent ones, I'm always a bit surprised at the quite high percentage of Uncommitted.

 

[MrBurns]

Turnbull performed dismally against Rudd last time - Abbott did better than Turnbull. If there is a change, perhaps the amicable Hockey would be better against Rudd?

I don't think Joe is PM material, perhaps we should plan for a Labor win, sell everything that relies on good Govt to succeed.

 

[Some Dude]

I don't think Joe is PM material, perhaps we should plan for a Labor win, sell everything that relies on good Govt to succeed.

I don't think anyone should be locking in either side winning at this stage.

I remember an Aunt when I was younger telling me that if Bob Hawke won the 1983 election, that everyone may as well leave the country and/or lock their money under their beds. While I am not asking people to change their minds about what they consider good or bad governments, is it possible that people overreact about these things?

 

[Calliope]

" Given the popularity of Labor with Gen Y and the demise of the Baby Boomers , could we be looking at decades of successive Labor Governments ? "

Yes, governments could be elected by the 18-24s...the Rudd culters. Perhaps we are lucky that many do not bother to register to vote. An early election would favour Abbott, before the Labor machine could round them up.

 

[Julia]

If you look at the Neilsen poll results you the the amazing results in the 18-24 age group of labor 46%, Coalition 28%, Green 18%. Abbott has done nothing for Gen Y.

Um, what exactly has Rudd done for Gen Y?
You're always going to get fewer conservative votes in that age group.
They haven't been around long enough to witness good and bad governments.
Kevin is all about himself. This perhaps resonates with the suggestion that Gen Y is the 'me generation'.
(PS I dislike such generalisations and think it's more likely they're impressed by the way he 'zips' everywhere, seeing this as a sign of enthusiasm and energy, rather than the frenetic behaviour of someone who finds it difficult to focus on seeing something through rather than flipping between thought bubbles and talk fests.)

I don't think Joe is PM material,

I don't think he is either, not by a long shot. My preferred option would be George Brandis.

 

[MrBurns]

Um, what exactly has Rudd done for Gen Y?
You're always going to get fewer conservative votes in that age group.
They haven't been around long enough to witness good and bad governments.
Kevin is all about himself. This perhaps resonates with the suggestion that Gen Y is the 'me generation'.
(PS I dislike such generalisations and think it's more likely they're impressed by the way he 'zips' everywhere, seeing this as a sign of enthusiasm and energy, rather than the frenetic behaviour of someone who finds it difficult to focus on seeing something through rather than flipping between thought bubbles and talk fests.)


I don't think he is either, not by a long shot. My preferred option would be George Brandis.

George Brandis or Christopher Pyne but no one would vote for him, he's not the character type that appeals.

 

[Knobby22]

Um, what exactly has Rudd done for Gen Y?
You're always going to get fewer conservative votes in that age group.
They haven't been around long enough to witness good and bad governments.
Kevin is all about himself. This perhaps resonates with the suggestion that Gen Y is the 'me generation'.
(PS I dislike such generalisations and think it's more likely they're impressed by the way he 'zips' everywhere, seeing this as a sign of enthusiasm and energy, rather than the frenetic behaviour of someone who finds it difficult to focus on seeing something through rather than flipping between thought bubbles and talk fests.)


I don't think he is either, not by a long shot. My preferred option would be George Brandis.

I think Abbott is seen as representing older people i.e. pensioners and retirees. I agree with the zip generalisation, the showmanship of Rudd. Still in GBR the young people are all voting conservative. there is a good article about that in today's Age. So, I don't think you can say that young people are voting labor because they are too innocent.

 

[FxTrader]

With the resurgence of Rudd in the polls Abbott is now forced to open his mouth more often with the usual consequences...

From http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/abbott-hit-by-backlash-20130715-2q0dw.html

"Mr Abbott's assertion that an ETS - to be introduced on July 1, 2014, as the government will announce on Tuesday - was a ''so-called market in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one'' sparked an immediate backlash, with critics pointing out that former Liberal prime minister John Howard designed a similar scheme.

Professor Richard Dennis, an economist at the Australian National University, said Mr Abbott should make it clear whether he thinks radiation was harmful or not.

''The notion that something now has to be visible to be valuable or harmful is an entirely new concept in Australian politics and one that will concern and confuse many,'' he said.

''If Tony Abbott is concerned about people paying for invisible things, then anyone who owns intellectual property should be very concerned, likewise people in the futures and financial derivatives market.''

Martijn Wilder, a climate change lawyer at global law firm Baker & McKenzie, said: ''You might not be able to see carbon dioxide but that doesn't mean you shouldn't regulate it.

''An emissions trading scheme is a market for trading permits to pollute. It's no different to trading water licences. An ETS is something that is what the Howard government proposed and what is in existence to differing degrees in Europe, China, California and Korea. [The Coalition scheme] Direct Action is a similar tool.''

Poor Tony, the good old days of saying nothing of substance and maintaining a winning margin are over now and every new day brings us the potential for yet another Abbott verbal blunder. Bring it on Tony, keep talking.