Tommy Robinson and the new Totalitarianism

[wayneL]

With whom ?

Well that's a good question. It would depend what the Liberal Party sees itself as, going forward. I would hope it's not another iteration of the Labor party, as it is now, that's what Mal represents imo.

Right now, the leader(s) I'd like to see aren't even in the party .

 

[SirRumpole]

Well that's a good question. It would depend what the Liberal Party sees itself as, going forward. I would hope it's not another iteration of the Labor party, as it is now, that's what Mal represents imo.

Right now, the leader(s) I'd like to see aren't even in the party .

For someone who says he leans Left, I'm surprised that you disparage a Left leaning (in your opinion) Prime Minister.

It sounds like you are looking for someone more like Donald Trump. (Cory Bernadi, Peter Dutton, Mark Latham ?)

 

[wayneL]

For someone who says he leans Left, I'm surprised that you disparage a Left leaning (in your opinion) Prime Minister.

It sounds like you are looking for someone more like Donald Trump. (Cory Bernadi, Peter Dutton, Mark Latham ?)

I guess there is a difference in perception of what left lean means.

To repeat, I am a classical liberal with some concessions to social liberalism. You can look these terms up on Wikipedia. As such, Im an individualist and reject excessive collectivism (recognising there is *some role for it) and absolutely reject identarianism.

This used to be the core value of the Liberal Party.

However, I will allow myself a dalliance with the right until such times as our culture centers itself again. At that point, you will see me bitching about both the right and the left, just like I have in the past on ASF.

How many times do I have to repeat this?

 

[SirRumpole]

However, I will allow myself a dalliance with the right until such times as our culture centers itself again.

The Labor Party moved sharply to the Right after Whitlam when Hawke and Keating took over.

Hawke was a unionist who wanted to hob nob with the rich and famous whereas Keating was a realist who it seemed hated everyone.

The Labor party has moved too far into the social fabric with all this gender equality stuff that has resulted in some egregious candidates like Husar and ones who just didn't work out like Nova Peris.

However I'll still take their economic policy of the trickle down trash thrown up by the Libs.

 

[SirRumpole]

However I'll still take their economic policy of the trickle down trash thrown up by the Libs.

However I'll still take their economic policy over the trickle down trash thrown up by the Libs.

 

[wayneL]

I'll take Von Mises, et al... Again, with concessions.

 

[Kerway]

I am originally from the North of England. An area that has deteriorated in a similar manner to the Luton area where Robinson comes from. There is no doubt in my mind that excessive immigration has played a large part in this deterioration. Robinson is a hero to many amongst the white working classes in the UK who have seen jobs and available housing taken up by a tsunami of immigrants into the UK from the EU and elsewhere.

 

[SirRumpole]

I am originally from the North of England. An area that has deteriorated in a similar manner to the Luton area where Robinson comes from. There is no doubt in my mind that excessive immigration has played a large part in this deterioration. Robinson is a hero to many amongst the white working classes in the UK who have seen jobs and available housing taken up by a tsunami of immigrants into the UK from the EU and elsewhere.

Unfortunately , Australia is making the same mistakes.

 

[Lantern]

I am originally from the North of England. An area that has deteriorated in a similar manner to the Luton area where Robinson comes from.

Me too. I remember what Maggie did to the miners, the three day week cos there was no coal, sitting at home freezing cos we couldn't light the fire, strike lines that divided familys.
Those living in "nice" suburbs in the South haven't got a freaking clue.
It's also so sad to see that there a whole load of folk who have bee almost brainwashed into believing that there is something wrong with Tommy. He speaks for the British working class.

 

[PZ99]

Happy to sympathise with the British working class.

But..... can't they find a law abiding citizen to speak their values?

 

[cynic]

Happy to sympathise with the British working class.

But..... can't they find a law abiding citizen to speak their values?

How is any citizen to be expected to maintain such status, when speaking one's values has become an indictable offence?

 

[PZ99]

How is any citizen to be expected to maintain such status, when speaking one's values has become an indictable offence?

It's not an offense to speak values. Has Boris Johnson ever been jailed for speaking his values?

Free speech is a value we all desire. Breaking the law merely diminishes that value and plays right into the hands of the very SJW you are opposing. It's not very smart and it's why idiots like Tommy Robinson are doing more harm than good.

They need a better player ♠

 

[cynic]

It's not an offense to speak values. Has Boris Johnson ever been jailed for speaking his values?

Free speech is a value we all desire. Breaking the law merely diminishes that value and plays right into the hands of the very SJW you are opposing. It's not very smart and it's why idiots like Tommy Robinson are doing more harm than good.

They need a better player ♠

And what of the laws that were violated by those tasked with Tommy's arraignment and subsequent incarceration?

Also what of the laws violated by mainstream media in their persistent misreporting of events?

 

[PZ99]

And what of the laws that were violated by those tasked with Tommy's arraignment and subsequent incarceration?

Also what of the laws violated by mainstream media in their persistent misreporting of events?

They are separate issues that are widespread around the world including here but they have nothing to do with Tommys' criminal history as a fraud, a thug and a previous guilty plea for contempt of court all culminating to porridge. Most people struggle to even get there once. He's been there several times and his latest stint has him quivering in fear about his treatment.

But no doubt he can't wait to re-offend and go back inside

Maybe he should come out here and join all the thugs making life hell for people all over Victoria, clearly they'll welcome him - after all, he's the good guy, right?

 

[cynic]

They are separate issues that are widespread around the world including here but they have nothing to do with Tommys' criminal history as a fraud, a thug and a previous guilty plea for contempt of court all culminating to porridge. Most people struggle to even get there once. He's been there several times and his latest stint has him quivering in fear about his treatment.

But no doubt he can't wait to re-offend and go back inside

Maybe he should come out here and join all the thugs making life hell for people all over Victoria, clearly they'll welcome him - after all, he's the good guy, right?

Are you trying to suggest that these events are unrelated and not the result of concerted censorship efforts?
Are you also suggesting that Tommy was treated with impartiality by the judicial system, and the mainstream media, in relation to their respective management and reporting of these issues?

 

[PZ99]

Are you trying to suggest that these events are unrelated and not the result of concerted censorship efforts?
Are you also suggesting that Tommy was treated with impartiality by the judicial system, and the mainstream media, in relation to their respective management and reporting of these issues?

I am stating his unsuitability for being a far right activist based on his own admissions of guilt to previous criminal offenses including contempt of court. Blame the media? It's akin to David Hicks starting a movement here and having a support group blaming the media for his past evils

I shouldn't laugh, this is one country where it might actually happen...

And just for the record, I don't believe half of Tommys' claims of mistreatment. Until I see proof of his claims I think he's either lying, or delusional, or both.

 

[cynic]

I am stating his unsuitability for being a far right activist based on his own admissions of guilt to previous criminal offenses including contempt of court. Blame the media? It's akin to David Hicks starting a movement here and having a support group blaming the media for his past evils

I shouldn't laugh, this is one country where it might actually happen...

You seem to be avoiding my actual questions!

Do you understand how a number of your cited reasons, for holding your stated view, seem to be based upon information received via media sources, that were nothing short of highly prejudicial, in their reporting on Tommy?

 

[PZ99]

You seem to be avoiding my actual questions!

Nope, you are avoiding my answers by clinging onto something that has zip to do with my original point.
Free speech is not a criminal offense. Violence / fraud / contempt of court is.

Do you understand how a number of your cited reasons, for holding your stated view, seem to be based upon information received via media sources, that were nothing short of highly prejudicial, in their reporting on Tommy?

Please show me what media sources I've used to state my claims?

Unless you are saying the entire internet is faking his criminal history ?

 

[cynic]

Nope, you are clinging onto something that has zip to do with my original point.


Please show me what media sources I've used to state my claims?

Are you saying the entire internet is faking his criminal history?

Nope!! It is you who is avoiding a counterpoint that has been made!

Are you saying that your views have been derived without reference to sources originating from the media?

 

[PZ99]

Nope!! It is you who is avoiding a counterpoint that has been made!

Sorry, but ...irrelevant statements don't constitute a counterpoint.

Are you saying that your views have been derived without reference to sources originating from the media?

What media? Just using the internet, mate. Prove me wrong, if you can