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cynic said:
Did you notice how quickly that video got taken down?
Why would that be happening, I wonder?
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Doesn't fit the PC agenda. You aren't allowed to view anything hateful and have an opinion. You might catch Nazism.

Welcome to "Safe Space" 2018.
 
moXJO said:
Doesn't fit the PC agenda. You aren't allowed to view anything hateful and have an opinion. You might catch Nazism.

Welcome to "Safe Space" 2018.
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These days we call it "Hate speech".

Many people think that alllowing the robust expression of ideas like "Kill the Jews" "All muslims are terrorists" or other such choice ideas isn't cool. There are consequences.

But hey this is 2018 and we have someone like Donald Trump as Prez to show that, really, you can say whatever the xxxx you want and as long your big enough, ugly enough and strong enough you can get away with it. The times are a changing.
 
basilio said:
These days we call it "Hate speech".

Many people think that alllowing the robust expression of ideas like "Kill the Jews" "All muslims are terrorists" or other such choice ideas isn't cool. There are consequences.

But hey this is 2018 and we have someone like Donald Trump as Prez to show that, really, you can say whatever the xxxx you want and as long your big enough, ugly enough and strong enough you can get away with it. The times are a changing.
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I think its a representation of the rift forming between left and right fueld by suspect media stories (both sides). Attack groups silencing voices either side, doxing, shaming, calling your boss to get you fired. Each twitter account has their own little social media attack squad.
It then pushes those at the edges further down the rabbit hole. If it gets more poisonous it will lead to more violent attacks. Look at incidents like the Bolt attack. How long till house visits when someone on twitter pushes to far.
 
basilio said:
These days we call it "Hate speech".

Many people think that alllowing the robust expression of ideas like "Kill the Jews" "All muslims are terrorists" or other such choice ideas isn't cool. There are consequences.

But hey this is 2018 and we have someone like Donald Trump as Prez to show that, really, you can say whatever the xxxx you want and as long your big enough, ugly enough and strong enough you can get away with it. The times are a changing.
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Bas, did you actually watch that particular video before it got taken down?

There seems to be a level of censorship occurring that has nothing whatsoever to do with hate speech.

I am of the impression, labels of convenience are being inappropriately applied, in disengenuous efforts at justifying the censorship and vilification of ideological opposition.
 
cynic said:
Bas, did you actually watch that particular video before it got taken down?

There seems to be a level of censorship occurring that has nothing whatsoever to do with hate speech.

I am of the impression, labels of convenience are being inappropriately applied, in disengenuous efforts at justifying the censorship and vilification of ideological opposition.
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I thought it was lame and tame and I failed to hear him say the things that the various articles said what was said,
 
basilio said:
These days we call it "Hate speech".

Many people think that alllowing the robust expression of ideas like "Kill the Jews" "All muslims are terrorists" or other such choice ideas isn't cool. There are consequences.

But hey this is 2018 and we have someone like Donald Trump as Prez to show that, really, you can say whatever the xxxx you want and as long your big enough, ugly enough and strong enough you can get away with it. The times are a changing.
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There is none more guilty of hate speech than the extreme left. Unteneble accusations of Nazism, Fascism, Racism etc is in fact hate speech of the highest order, often followed by actual violence.

The problem with legislating against it, is in defining what is and isn't and seems to be at the whim of one or another bureaucrat.... And totally assymetrical in enforcement... and also simply a matter of stating the truth, eg re Sud gangs etc.

Its a bloody quagmire that your side created well before your Trump Anxiety Syndrome.
 
That's a big call Wayne. Got anything to back it up? We've had the self righteous Right trigger a race riot or two right here in THIS country long before they produced their own GAS of Gillard-Anxiety-Syndrome whilst complaining about their own odour...

Rank hypocrisy and hate are a lexicon of the elitist Right and it was only a matter of time before their books get thrown back to the unhappy world where they came from. That's the impetus of change you guys are now complaining about.

Meanwhile all of us neutrals get caught in the cross fire and I reckon Trumps' prezzy reaching its use-by date would be a good time for combatants to chill-the-fugg-out.

It won't happen of course, the Right always have to have the last say :)
 
PZ99 said:
That's a big call Wayne. Got anything to back it up? We've had the self righteous Right trigger a race riot or two right here in THIS country long before they produced their own GAS of Gillard-Anxiety-Syndrome whilst complaining about their own odour...

Rank hypocrisy and hate are a lexicon of the elitist Right and it was only a matter of time before their books get thrown back to the unhappy world where they came from. That's the impetus of change you guys are now complaining about.

Meanwhile all of us neutrals get caught in the cross fire and I reckon Trumps' prezzy reaching its use-by date would be a good time for combatants to chill-the-fugg-out.

It won't happen of course, the Right always have to have the last say :)
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Such is the shifting sands of politics that many of the old policies of the Labor Party are now attributed to the right. Arthur Caldwell ring a bell?
 
Tisme said:
Such is the shifting sands of politics that many of the old policies of the Labor Party are now attributed to the right. Arthur Caldwell ring a bell?
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Yeah, they tried to kill him!
 
PZ99 said:
That's a big call Wayne. Got anything to back it up? We've had the self righteous Right trigger a race riot or two right here in THIS country long before they produced their own GAS of Gillard-Anxiety-Syndrome whilst complaining about their own odour...

Rank hypocrisy and hate are a lexicon of the elitist Right and it was only a matter of time before their books get thrown back to the unhappy world where they came from. That's the impetus of change you guys are now complaining about.

Meanwhile all of us neutrals get caught in the cross fire and I reckon Trumps' prezzy reaching its use-by date would be a good time for combatants to chill-the-fugg-out.

It won't happen of course, the Right always have to have the last say :)
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18C laws

Gillard was the great divider.

The right reacts and it takes a lot before they can be bothered to organize. The race riots (disgusting as they were) came about after a series of "aussie" bashings, rapes, intimidation and police/political inaction. A lot of people were hurt before the riot.
When the riot did happen it was just an angry mess of racism and violence.

At the time funnily enough I had a Lebanese guy and the son of a infamous neo-nazi working for me. The build up of anger to the riots was noticeable. At the time he was the only white australian working for me out of a crew at the time of 12. He was bought up with his head full of sht from his father. I let him spill out all his fears in a discussion. And we talked.
When he finally left to start his company he considered all that team as family. And rejected his fathers position. He actually said his fathers teachings messed him up.

People mellow if you dont isolate them or silence them. Thats why I believe the current left is dangerous.
 
moXJO said:
18C laws

Gillard was the great divider.

The right reacts and it takes a lot before they can be bothered to organize. The race riots (disgusting as they were) came about after a series of "aussie" bashings, rapes, intimidation and police/political inaction. A lot of people were hurt before the riot.
When the riot did happen it was just an angry mess of racism and violence.

At the time funnily enough I had a Lebanese guy and the son of a infamous neo-nazi working for me. The build up of anger to the riots was noticeable. At the time he was the only white australian working for me out of a crew at the time of 12. He was bought up with his head full of sht from his father. I let him spill out all his fears in a discussion. And we talked.
When he finally left to start his company he considered all that team as family. And rejected his fathers position. He actually said his fathers teachings messed him up.

People mellow if you dont isolate them or silence them. Thats why I believe the current left is dangerous.
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Thanks for sharing that. Discussion is all that's required. But Gillard was the target of more hate than Trump will ever experience. According to a Conservative-Right member of the Liberal Party her father had "died of shame". That's the epitome of hate right there. That same member had fueled the race riots by suggesting on his radio show that bikie gangs should bash Lebanese people live on national television. Not to mention all the crap from the Murdoch media - full front pages of anti Gillard hate and lets not get started on Larry Pickerings' efforts. lol

Yes, the current left are dangerous because they were pissed off with stuff like the above and are handing it back. The Right are just going to have to suck it up I'm afraid - live by the sword die by the sword and all that paraphernalia.

All my view of course but Tommy Robinson doesn't exactly have a history of being mellow either, if he did, this thread wouldn't exist.

I reckon the Right have been looking for a decent figurehead to espouse their views in a way that can carry the people rather than insult them.

But Tommy Robinson isn't that messiah - he's just a norty boy :)
 
PZ99 said:
Thanks for sharing that. Discussion is all that's required. But Gillard was the target of more hate than Trump will ever experience. According to a Conservative-Right member of the Liberal Party her father had "died of shame". That's the epitome of hate right there. That same member had fueled the race riots by suggesting on his radio show that bikie gangs should bash Lebanese people live on national television. Not to mention all the crap from the Murdoch media - full front pages of anti Gillard hate and lets not get started on Larry Pickerings' efforts. lol

Yes, the current left are dangerous because they were pissed off with stuff like the above and are handing it back. The Right are just going to have to suck it up I'm afraid - live by the sword die by the sword and all that paraphernalia.

All my view of course :)
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Well, I guess you are entitled to have a bogus view... Free speech and all that :cool:
 
wayneL said:
Well, I guess you are entitled to have a bogus view... Free speech and all that :cool:
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Yeah, OK.

But which one of us do you think is rewriting history with continual political threads on ASF? :)
 
wayneL said:
Well, I guess you are entitled to have a bogus view... Free speech and all that :cool:
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PZ seems pretty spot on to me.

The Gillard hate campaign was disgusting, and I reckon some people took lessons from it when it came to Hilary Clinton because that was just as bad.

Antifa is a tiny group compared to the rich and outspoken Right and even further Right like Jones, Sandilands et al and their US pals.
 

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