Tommy Robinson and the new Totalitarianism

[basilio]

Why are young men imitating the Christchurch massacres ?
Some food for thought.

What induces men to imitate the Christchurch massacre?
Jeff Sparrow

After Christchurch and El Paso we need an open discussion – without euphemisms and evasions – about what fascism is and how it works

“In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto.”

That’s how the man accused of shooting at least 20 people in a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, began the document he posted on 8chan.

The atrocity comes in the wake of a murderous attack on the Chabad of Poway synagogue in California on 27 April. The man detained for that crime also posted a manifesto to 8chan and also described the Christchurch shooter as a catalyst, saying: “‘He showed me that it could be done.”

What might induce people to imitate the Christchurch massacre, an atrocity in which a self-identified fascist allegedly murdered 51 innocents in cold blood?

To answer that question, we must grasp the historical evolution of fascism in the 21st century.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...uces-men-to-imitate-the-christchurch-massacre

 

[moXJO]

Why are young men imitating the Christchurch massacres ?
Some food for thought.

What induces men to imitate the Christchurch massacre?
Jeff Sparrow

After Christchurch and El Paso we need an open discussion – without euphemisms and evasions – about what fascism is and how it works

“In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto.”

That’s how the man accused of shooting at least 20 people in a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, began the document he posted on 8chan.

The atrocity comes in the wake of a murderous attack on the Chabad of Poway synagogue in California on 27 April. The man detained for that crime also posted a manifesto to 8chan and also described the Christchurch shooter as a catalyst, saying: “‘He showed me that it could be done.”

What might induce people to imitate the Christchurch massacre, an atrocity in which a self-identified fascist allegedly murdered 51 innocents in cold blood?

To answer that question, we must grasp the historical evolution of fascism in the 21st century.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...uces-men-to-imitate-the-christchurch-massacre

Brain dead article.

 

[moXJO]

 

[moXJO]

Maybe Obama made him do it

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/20...-satanist-antifa-and-democrat/comment-page-1/

Take a good look at the tweets to realize the extreme left, is basically the extreme right, who are both basically authoritarians...

 

[wayneL]

Maybe Obama made him do it

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/20...-satanist-antifa-and-democrat/comment-page-1/

Take a good look at the tweets to realize the extreme left, is basically the extreme right, who are both basically authoritarians...

Exactly, both authoritarian, identitarian, anti free speech and anti democratic.

 

[basilio]

I'll revisit this topic

1 . The Texan killer was absolutely clear about his admiration for the Christchurch murderer and said he also held his views about migrants and race

2. The other killer wasn't on the face of it a right wing nationalist. No one quite knows where his murderous ideas came from but there was an indication from school mates that he was a nasty bully

3. 8 Chan and co are sites that promote and celebrate these sorts of behaviours. Maybe people might say something about that site and the behaviour they celebrate and spread.

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El Paso shooting prompts 8chan founder to call for site to be shut down over links to massacre

The founder of 8chan, Fredrick Brennan, who has since cut ties with the site, told PM's Sally Sara that he created a "monster".

"It really just seems like they think all these shootings are funny, like they really don't care … and it just seems like they're just going to keep allowing this to happen over and over," he said.

Mr Brennan launched the message board in 2013 as a space that welcomed all speech — no matter how extreme.

It has since become a host to some of the most vitriolic content online.

"People say, 'you have created kind of like a Frankenstein's monster, you were not really thinking about the effects this could have on society … and now it's come back to haunt you,'" he said.

"I can see the comparison … I feel like maybe I did create a monster. But their administration is making it much more monstrous than it has to be."

Mr Brennan said he thought the current administrators should do more to shut down hate speech.

"I'm not saying they could prevent these attacks from happening, but there are things they could do to show that it's not appropriate to post a manifesto from a shooting on that site," he told the ABC.

"They could shut down the boards that are known for being places where people celebrate mass shooters after a mass shooting occurs — that would be a good first step."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08...te-should-be-shut-down-after-el-paso/11383582

 

[basilio]

The El Paso shooter begins his text by writing: “In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.”

 

[moXJO]

I'll revisit this topic

1 . The Texan killer was absolutely clear about his admiration for the Christchurch murderer and said he also held his views about migrants and race

2. The other killer wasn't on the face of it a right wing nationalist. No one quite knows where his murderous ideas came from but there was an indication from school mates that he was a nasty bully

3. 8 Chan and co are sites that promote and celebrate these sorts of behaviours. Maybe people might say something about that site and the behaviour they celebrate and spread.

Print Email Facebook Twitter More
El Paso shooting prompts 8chan founder to call for site to be shut down over links to massacre

The founder of 8chan, Fredrick Brennan, who has since cut ties with the site, told PM's Sally Sara that he created a "monster".

"It really just seems like they think all these shootings are funny, like they really don't care … and it just seems like they're just going to keep allowing this to happen over and over," he said.

Mr Brennan launched the message board in 2013 as a space that welcomed all speech — no matter how extreme.

It has since become a host to some of the most vitriolic content online.

"People say, 'you have created kind of like a Frankenstein's monster, you were not really thinking about the effects this could have on society … and now it's come back to haunt you,'" he said.

"I can see the comparison … I feel like maybe I did create a monster. But their administration is making it much more monstrous than it has to be."

Mr Brennan said he thought the current administrators should do more to shut down hate speech.

"I'm not saying they could prevent these attacks from happening, but there are things they could do to show that it's not appropriate to post a manifesto from a shooting on that site," he told the ABC.

"They could shut down the boards that are known for being places where people celebrate mass shooters after a mass shooting occurs — that would be a good first step."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08...te-should-be-shut-down-after-el-paso/11383582

Shutting 8chan down won't do much. They will just shift. Look at groups like Isis. Same kind of fundamentalism in a weird kind of way. And they are willing to die for a cause.

Shutting it down and silencing voices is what fueled it in the first place.

 

[wayneL]

FYI @basilio the Ohio shooter was a supporter of antifa and Mike stutchbury

As a few have tried to say on this thread the extremists on both sides are idiots.

If we shut down 8chan we then should shut down the Twitter accounts of antifa or wherever else they infest.

In my opinion no platform should be shut down, free speech reigns, but there should be strong action were there are calls to violence which valid caveat to free speech.

 

[moXJO]

FYI @basilio the Ohio shooter was a supporter of antifa and Mike stutchbury

As a few have tried to say on this thread the extremists on both sides are idiots.

If we shut down 8chan we then should shut down the Twitter accounts of antifa or wherever else they infest.

In my opinion no platform should be shut down, free speech reigns, but there should be strong action were there are calls to violence which valid caveat to free speech.

We can't say that though can we. Messes with the group think narrative of yelling at clouds.
Antifa are just as big of a threat, if not more simply through their huge network.
And look at the non stop media and Hollywood support.

 

[wayneL]

About a month ago Jordan and Tammy Petersen interviewed Tommy Robinson and were criticized for not applying more of a blowtorch to his belly about certain aspects of his past.

This is a follow-up where he gets to ask the uncomfortable questions of Tommy (yes it is Stephen Yaxley Lennon for those who want to make that point) and for him to answer. Very interesting.

Free speech bros.

 

[moXJO]

About a month ago Jordan and Tammy Petersen interviewed Tommy Robinson and were criticized for not applying more of a blowtorch to his belly about certain aspects of his past.

This is a follow-up where he gets to ask the uncomfortable questions of Tommy (yes it is Stephen Yaxley Lennon for those who want to make that point) and for him to answer. Very interesting.

Free speech bros.

It's happening in countries around the world. Governments are adopting fascist tactics. Lawfare and dissolving freedoms and threats seem to be at the forefront.

Big one I'm noticing is the reduction of what people own, or can use.