The West has lost its freedom of speech

[SirRumpole]

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And what is my view of Trump?

As you were complaining that the Murdoch media was anti Trump, I assume you are pro Trump.

If that is not the case, please feel free to correct that view.

 

[wayneL]

You totally right Wayne. On this forum to this time I would agree that you will win hands down.

I'm not looking to "win". I just want to see where the land lies here. I want to how many people will support your perception of what looks like extreme left and what you classify as moderate right.

How about addressing my points rather than taking the coward's way out and asking for support from the Komrades, Komrade.

My point is absolutely sound and you are trying to garner your gang of leftist bullies to ignore the greater point.

Address my point, coward.

 

[dutchie]

There's a candidate for post of the year. Just for interest I'll continue to take the bait.
Lets take Wayne totally seriously as I assume he wants. What are other peoples views on his two statements.

1) The "extreme Left" looks like Antifa, BLM, Ash "I'm literally a communist" Sarkar, Owen Jones and 90% of Guardian writers, AOC and friends

2) Moderate left and right organisations (no extremists or exterminators of course..) unfairly censored look like Zero Hedge, Katie Hopkins, Karl Benjamin, Dave Rubin, Tommy, Milo, PewDeePie, McGuiness, Rose McGowan, Candace Owens, Alex Jones, James Woods, Laura Loomer, Lyndsay Shepard, and even Graeme Lineham FFS

The reality shows that he (Wayne) is right.
You could add nearly all Universities to list 1) (Cambridge, Oxford, Yale, Harvard, et al)

 

[SirRumpole]

Give you a clue: better than anything else on offer there and the first to break the status quo and endless growth of china and destruction of the west, the first one to actually disengage from decades and decades of foreign countries bombings.
And someone outside the "deep-seated"/ complaisant powers in charge screwing citizens all over the world.
If you can find me a well spoken, independent minded other American with a chance to win presidency and support individual responsability, not communism, i will support him in a sec.
But all others are just sold to interests which are far from either the US or even the west.
Sanders in non communist version, i i would appreciate too

For a man who is claiming "total power", he is letting the corona virus run riot in the USA, that could well be the end of the line for him as far as the voters are concerned.

 

[wayneL]

and just to be sure before someone goes accusing me of anything he was my latest political compass results which I took yesterday. Posted to Parler where it seems that some Green haired sjw moderator won't invent some reason to cancel me

https://share.par.pw/post/24a2ca7f33bf4fa99c21e673937be223

 

[basilio]

My point is absolutely sound and you are trying to garner your gang of leftist bullies to ignore the greater point.
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I've had my say Wayne. You have outlined how you see the world in political terms.
Dutchie has swing behind you and thrown practically all the world universities into the Gulag (only metaphorically or course . Perhaps even ironically ?)

I'm seriously interested to see other perspectives on this world view.

Just to reiterate the question.


......Lets take Wayne totally seriously as I assume he wants. What are other peoples views on his two statements.

1) The "extreme Left" looks like Antifa, BLM, Ash "I'm literally a communist" Sarkar, Owen Jones and 90% of Guardian writers, AOC and friends

2) Moderate left and right organisations (no extremists or exterminators of course..) unfairly censored look like Zero Hedge, Katie Hopkins, Karl Benjamin, Dave Rubin, Tommy, Milo, PewDeePie, McGuiness, Rose McGowan, Candace Owens, Alex Jones, James Woods, Laura Loomer, Lyndsay Shepard, and even Graeme Lineham FFS

 

[sptrawler]

This kind of says it all IMO.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/walmart-slammed-over-controversial-t-shirt-slogans-091300207.html

 

[wayneL]

I've had my say Wayne. You have outlined how you see the world in political terms.
Dutchie has swing behind you and thrown practically all the world universities into the Gulag (only metaphorically or course . Perhaps even ironically ?)

I'm seriously interested to see other perspectives on this world view.

Address the point, coward.

 

[SirRumpole]

1) The "extreme Left" looks like Antifa, BLM, Ash "I'm literally a communist" Sarkar, Owen Jones and 90% of Guardian writers, AOC and friends

2) Moderate left and right organisations (no extremists or exterminators of course..) unfairly censored look like Zero Hedge, Katie Hopkins, Karl Benjamin, Dave Rubin, Tommy, Milo, PewDeePie, McGuiness, Rose McGowan, Candace Owens, Alex Jones, James Woods, Laura Loomer, Lyndsay Shepard, and even Graeme Lineham FFS

Actually I've never heard of most of those people so I can't comment on their views.

The Guardian I occasionally read, I say their views are generally factually based, if that makes them "Left of Centre", so be it.

Maybe someone would like to quote an article by the Guardian that they view to be not based on fact.

 

[bellenuit]

Give you a clue: better than anything else on offer there and the first to break the status quo and endless growth of china and destruction of the west, the first one to actually disengage from decades and decades of foreign countries bombings.

That is what his supporters like to claim, but the reality is different.

He didn't break the status quo when it comes to corruption and the draining of the swamp. He has in fact made corruption part of his MO and rather than drain the swamp he has enlarged it with his own cronies.

He hasn't stopped the endless growth of China. All he has done is impose tariffs on imported Chinese goods, which is paid for by US citizens (something Trump doesn't seem to understand), and caused China to retaliate by banning or curtailing the import of many US farm products, which has hurt American farmers so badly that he has to spend billions supporting them for fear of losing their vote in the upcoming election. There has been a move away from relying exclusively on China by a large number of countries and corporations, but much of that was driven by seeing the consequences of losing China as a major supply chain due to COVID-19 related issues and the unjustified retaliation of China against those who chose to investigate the virus deeper, plus its ongoing aggression against other South China Sea neighbours. Although I agree in principle with the curtailment of China and the reduction of our dependence on it, we need someone who has an effective and intelligent approach. I don't know if Biden will be that one, but Trump certainly is not. He is just a bumbling buffoon and China knows it. What he says is not what he does. He is a complete hypocrite and has no problem courting Chinese favour to help promote his daughters interests in China. In addition he tried to shore up a new trade deal with China, that many say is worse than what he had, as he is scared with what the continued fight will do to his re-election chances due to the consequence on US industry, selling the Uighurs down the river in the bargain.

When it comes to the destruction of the West he has both shamefully sold out the West to Russian influence where it counts; Syria, NATO, Ukraine for instance as well as corrupting the institutions that differentiate the West from dictatorships.

He may have withdrawn the US from some conflicts, but again that was done unintelligently and may backfire due to his stupidity. His betrayal of the Kurds is a prime example. The withdrawal from the Syrian Turkish border region may have reduced bombing by the US, but it certainly hasn't diminished the bombing overall, with Syria and Russia taking advantage of the US withdrawal.

 

[wayneL]

Actually I've never heard of most of those people so I can't comment on their views.

The Guardian I occasionally read, I say their views are generally factually based, if that makes them "Left of Centre", so be it.

Maybe someone would like to quote an article by the Guardian that they view to be not based on fact.

That's not really the point Horace. you can be banned on social media for quoting FBI data and actual peer-reviewed research if it doesn't suit the leftist narrative.... Which has actually happened.

Not to mention if you disagree with the nonsense radical gender theory and both actual biological science that has been established for centuries.

 

[qldfrog]

If there is a saviour for the western civilization, Russia will be the one..so our inability to ever agree
You support voted goverment takeovers: Ukraine with the help of Biden..
Syria you prefer el qaeda to a n enlighted ..well dictator and i am sure you were celebrating when khadafi was executed by the west.
Think of the people for a sec, the children the women who used to go to uni and turning engineers and GPs..now starved and raped
These kurds were not slaughtered by el Assad were they 10y ago?
The war the Russian minority had to fight in Ukraine just to live in their homeland
Going a bit further the Serbs hospitals blown up by NATO, Kosovo given over to Muslim fanatics and turned into a training field for the terrorists of Europe.
I would recommend reading Ghost by Richard Fiddler from ABC podcasts fame about Constantinople.
Then as now, the orthodox remnant of the roman empire fought for 1500y against hords from Asia and later on against Muslim jihadists.
When on its knees, its last request for help to the West/Pope was rejected on a mix of trade interests and principle.
Any parallel?
Where do you think you..your view and i would extend the West as EU and US without Trump stand?
Pretty clear but why learn from history, why think when you can parrot
Oh and i do not read Russia propaganda, i just travel outside of cruise ship and elsewhere than in tourists highlights
Over, do not leave your comfort zone..more dangerous than covid-19

 

[IFocus]

Address the point, coward.

A level of absurdity that's hard or impossible to understand!

 

[wayneL]

A level of absurdity that's hard or impossible to understand!

Commendable, coming to the aid of a fallen Komrade.

Kudos, really. It brings tears to my eyes.

However, it would be good if Lenin Jnr could finally address the argument at hand.

Waiting......

 

[wayneL]

Yet another censorship of the middle

 

[cynic]

Yes. He appears to have given an apt summation of the status quo:
https://caldronpool.com/the-book-burning-is-underway-stefan-molyneux-banned-from-youtube/amp/

 

[IFocus]

Commendable, coming to the aid of a fallen Komrade.

Kudos, really. It brings tears to my eyes.

However, it would be good if Lenin Jnr could finally address the argument at hand.

Waiting......

Freedom of speech you realise includes freedom of silence a right under law in some instances that has been eroded ...........perhaps failure to see the irony in a thread about freedom of speech in which you are claiming is being taken away!

 

[wayneL]

The right to silence, eh?

 

[basilio]

The right to silence, eh?

Nah..
Just the right to ignore people who are too ignorant , too biased and too nasty to want to engage.
Your behaviour on this topic has ticked all those boxes Wayne. Wear it.

 

[Joe Blow]

I'm going to be shutting down all threads on topics relating to identity politics in the near future. So threads on race, gender, sexual orientation, and possibly religion, are no longer going to be permitted.

These threads are now way more trouble than they are worth. Google is now having issues with content on ASF on a regular basis. These issues always relate to content in threads on identity politics. Some new algorithm is at work and it started recently. Not surprisingly these threads also happen to the be the ones where people tend to attack and label each other. Some people let these topics get them far too emotional and angry.

Politics generally can continue to be discussed, but I'm advising everyone to please lay off the personal attacks and labeling because it's becoming tiresome.

The fundamental rules:

1. Stay on topic.
2. Discuss the issue, not each other.
3. No personal attacks and labelling. Keep it civil.