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The West has lost its freedom of speech

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SirRumpole said:
Up to a point.

Should we support "hate" speech against a certain group of otherwise peaceful people on the grounds that it represents freedom of speech ?

It's a fine line I would say, but in the interests of public safety and an orderly society there has to be some limit, and it's the job of an elected government to decide what those limits are.
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When the mob decides what is right and wrong, it isn't long before those who supported the mob are affected, then they scream for the authorities to control the mob.
That is the problem with protesters and knee jerk reactions, they are ill thought out, usually ill conceived and soon become unruly and out of control.
That is why, the rule of law started in the first place.
Lynch mobs, who are judge, jury and executioner don't usually stop to think things through.
Unfortunately IMO, we are fast returning to that modus operandi, with the media and a gullible public.
 
sptrawler said:
When the mob decides what is right and wrong, it isn't long before those who supported the mob are affected, then they scream for the authorities to control the mob.
That is the problem with protesters and knee jerk reactions, they are ill thought out, usually ill conceived and soon become unruly and out of control.
That is why, the rule of law started in the first place.
Lynch mobs, who are judge, jury and executioner don't usually stop to think things through.
Unfortunately IMO, we are fast returning to that modus operandi, with the media and a gullible public.
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The more mobs there are the greater the need to protect ones own place, with the number of guns in the USA I think there may well be a drop in population ahead.

Here in Oz we will all need a big dog and a bigger stick

Just thinking in general terms, the next generation are very soft mentally compared with the older generations, locally two young bucks had a go at a 70 year old who promptly flattened both of them

Age and treachery will often conquer youth and enthusiasm
 
macca said:
The more mobs there are the greater the need to protect ones own place, with the number of guns in the USA I think there may well be a drop in population ahead.

Here in Oz we will all need a big dog and a bigger stick

Just thinking in general terms, the next generation are very soft mentally compared with the older generations, locally two young bucks had a go at a 70 year old who promptly flattened both of them

Age and treachery will often conquer youth and enthusiasm
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It seems that there is an element of our political class and society that want to incite violence and hatred through the exploitation of minority grievances.

It is disgraceful and pathetic.
 
Chronos-Plutus said:
It seems that there is an element of our political class and society that want to incite violence and hatred through the exploitation of minority grievances.

It is disgraceful and pathetic.
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It is a result of affluence and prosperity, boils back to boredom and lack of goals.
 
sptrawler said:
It is a result of affluence and prosperity, boils back to boredom and lack of goals.
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Isn't it the individual that is responsible for their own goals in life?

We all, as individuals, have the freedom to chart our own course in life, within Australia; irrespective of religion, color, race, wealth, or sexual preference!

Nobody in Australia can say that there isn't the supportive networks and institutions available to aspire to what you want to become; within reason.
 
Chronos-Plutus said:
Isn't it the individual that is responsible for their own goals in life?

We all, as individuals, have the freedom to chart our own course in life, within Australia; irrespective of religion, color, race, wealth, or sexual preference!

Nobody in Australia can say that there isn't the supportive networks and institutions available to aspire to what you want to become; within reason.
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I agree, I think we have reached a point now where people are so well off, they don't want to strive.
It really shows, when a caring government puts homeless people up in a 5 star hotel and they walk out because there are rules.
 
sptrawler said:
I agree, I think we have reached a point now where people are so well off, they don't want to strive.
It really shows, when a caring government puts homeless people up in a 5 star hotel and they walk out because there are rules.
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It is a complex issue to address. People seek different attainment and purpose in life; some seek fortune, some seek glory, some seek power, and some seek knowledge. Some will seek a combination or strive for a balance.

Once a person has a roof over their head, food on the table and clothes on their back; they can aspire to what they wish to become, within reason.

The people that I think we are discussing are those that just want to do nothing and complain that they have nothing.
 
Chronos-Plutus said:
It seems that there is an element of our political class and society that want to incite violence and hatred through the exploitation of minority grievances.
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I'll simply say that as a concept I absolutely support the elimination of racism and for the record I'm likewise opposed to discrimination based on gender and so on too.

No chance however that I'll be supporting violence, denial of history, decreeing that someone cannot watch a work of fiction or put their own real name on the product they invented and renaming the Australian states because an unelected mob says so. That's mocking the cause not supporting it.

There are ways to get things done and fix problems but this isn't it. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
I'll simply say that as a concept I absolutely support the elimination of racism and for the record I'm likewise opposed to discrimination based on gender and so on too.

No chance however that I'll be supporting violence, denial of history, decreeing that someone cannot watch a work of fiction or put their own real name on the product they invented and renaming the Australian states because an unelected mob says so. That's mocking the cause not supporting it.

There are ways to get things done and fix problems but this isn't it. :2twocents
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100% agree with you on this. Civil discourse and open debate, in a transparent and free forum/channel of communication, is the way forward; not destroying public and private property, and disrupting people going about their daily business.
 
Smurf1976 said:
I'll simply say that as a concept I absolutely support the elimination of racism and for the record I'm likewise opposed to discrimination based on gender and so on too.

No chance however that I'll be supporting violence, denial of history, decreeing that someone cannot watch a work of fiction or put their own real name on the product they invented and renaming the Australian states because an unelected mob says so. That's mocking the cause not supporting it.

There are ways to get things done and fix problems but this isn't it. :2twocents
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As an addition to my last post:

I think a great deal of the problem in Australia is with our federally elected representatives who are just lazy. These federal representatives should be holding town hall and community centre meetings every month to listen, discuss and debate the issues that reside within their electorate.

Unfortunately; many federally elected representatives are just very lazy, hoping to just score cheap political points for power on the back of their party. This is part of the reason that we are having these riots and protests.
 
They will get the children to censor themselves first.

Some children will not be able to handle denunciation.
 
dutchie said:
Civil war coming to US and UK.
Will eventually spill to Aus.
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The longer the silent majority give in to these Marxists, say and do nothing, the more it will necessitate a more physical response to overcome them.
Time is running out.
 
dutchie said:
The longer the silent majority give in to these Marxists, say and do nothing, the more it will necessitate a more physical response to overcome them.
Time is running out.
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If change is stopped then pressure builds up and something has to give.

This is what is occurring now in the USA.
Massive change, but it hurts. Not the ideal way to do it.

Martin Luther King riots revisited. People experiencing being screwed over will fight back. It's human nature.

Bringing in the army and shooting a few people ain't going stop it. That is proven in history.

What is needed is compromise and Democracy. Fortunately the elections are close.
 
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