wayneL
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I've been rummaging through my drawers looking for my old tin foil hat.
I don't even want to contemplate the dots that I see lining up just begging to be joined.
I've been rummaging through my drawers looking for my old tin foil hat.I'm worried what happens if it goes on for too long. It's very "lord of the flies" at the moment.
Saying that all the problems stem from colour prejudice, therefore implying that their behaviour doesn't contribute to the problem, is fraught with danger IMO.I'm worried what happens if it goes on for too long. It's very "lord of the flies" at the moment.
Was that irony or karma?
too bad about the protester the statue fell on (now in critical condition in hospital)
Saying that all the problems stem from colour prejudice, therefore implying that their behaviour doesn't contribute to the problem, is fraught with danger IMO.
Yes it boils down to a do as you want, it is all our fault ticket, it should be interesting seeing how it plays out IMO.We're living in a world where very few people be they white, black, green, blue, red, orange or any other colour, are willing to consider that they may well be the cause of a particular problem.
The few who are able to think that way tend to do well in whatever they pursue from sports to finance. Only by acknowledging our own flaws do we have any chance of improving.
Yes it boils down to a do as you want, it is all our fault ticket, it should be interesting seeing how it plays out IMO.
Wow..a sensible article from the guardian? Is the left intelligencia now scared by the devil they have unleashed on the west after decades of consistence push?One perspective on the ducking of Edward Colston
Fighting over statues obscures the real problem: Britain's delusion about its past
Martin Kettle
A collective failure to look the history of empire in the eye stops us from being the kind of country we could be
There were two historically striking things about Bristol’s statue of Edward Colston. The first, most obviously, was that the statue of a slave trader could still have had pride of place in a British city in 2020. The second, much less remarked, is that the statue was only erected there in 1895, fully 200 years after Colston’s life and almost 90 years after the abolition of the slave trade.
Why did the statue go up when it did? It wasn’t to celebrate slavery. It was because, at a time when Britain’s empire stretched around the globe, what seemed to matter most about Colston to the city’s rulers was not how he had got his riches but his enduring and formidable legacy of philanthropy. Like most late Victorian British cities, Bristol was governed by Gladstonian Liberals not by Tories. The Liberals abhorred slavery and extolled their abolitionist forebears. But they celebrated their own enlightenment, in the form of the charitable schools, hospitals and research centres that they endowed, even more.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...real-problem-britains-delusion-about-its-past
Wow..a sensible article from the guardian? Is the left intelligencia now scared by the devil they have unleashed on the west after decades of consistence push?
All fanatical movements from communists to Nazis end up knifing their funders as not radical enough
It will not take long for this battle to be seen in vocal outposts like the guardian.
@basilio could maybe keep us all aware of the various changes at the editorial board etc will quickly reflect the winning side.for the sake of the world, let's hope the red Talibans loose.
Course not,so there is a trick..:-(I'm delighted you can now recognise a balanced , nuanced position even when it is espoused by a writer through The Guardian.
By the way you did read the whole story and not just the first two paragraphs I pasted ?
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...real-problem-britains-delusion-about-its-past
Qldfrog there is no "trick" in seeing the big picture and a nuanced argument. Some arguments around statues of famous people who were also responsible for some pretty awful events is having an additional plaque made up to add further information about what they were responsible for.
As the article said they could well be placed in a museum which remembers the whole picture of their achievements.
In the real world Saddams statutes were the first thing to go when the US invaded. Same of course in Romania when Clouseau was deposed. In Soviet Russia Stalin was still revered after his death even when Khrushchev revealed the tyranny of his labour/death camps and the arbitrary imprisonment and execution of millions of people.
A point about statutes of Confederate Generals and other memorials in the US.
These did not up just after the Civil War. They were constructed largely from 1900-1920's when there was a revival of the Ku Klux Klan and a nationwide strengthening of White Supremacy. The salute to the Confederacy was a way of highlighting the people who stood up for White Supremacy.
This is very much like DW Griffiths epic film "Birth of a Nation" which reflected and inspired this White Supremacist movement. It became the recruiting tool for the Ku Klux Klan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation
Where does it stop. Book burning not enough?
Let's start wiping history into a beige blob of leftist retardary.
Mount Rushmore, pyramids what else should we tear down?
While I could care less about a statue, it's a slippery slope once it kicks off.
Are you not a teacher? I can not believe it so the US civil war was a matter of slavery of course and slave owners vs freedom and race equality?Qldfrog there is no "trick" in seeing the big picture and a nuanced argument. Some arguments around statues of famous people who were also responsible for some pretty awful events is having an additional plaque made up to add further information about what they were responsible for.
As the article said they could well be placed in a museum which remembers the whole picture of their achievements.
In the real world Saddams statutes were the first thing to go when the US invaded. Same of course in Romania when Clouseau was deposed. In Soviet Russia Stalin was still revered after his death even when Khrushchev revealed the tyranny of his labour/death camps and the arbitrary imprisonment and execution of millions of people.
A point about statutes of Confederate Generals and other memorials in the US.
These did not up just after the Civil War. They were constructed largely from 1900-1920's when there was a revival of the Ku Klux Klan and a nationwide strengthening of White Supremacy. The salute to the Confederacy was a way of highlighting the people who stood up for White Supremacy.
This is very much like DW Griffiths epic film "Birth of a Nation" which reflected and inspired this White Supremacist movement. It became the recruiting tool for the Ku Klux Klan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation
Yep change it through consultation.I agree, although as far as King Leopold is concerned, what did he ever do for us ? For all we know he had never heard of Australia. The same goes for a lot of places named after English Lords who have never been here.
We need more local names, not just of indigenous people, but others who contributed to the development of this country in a practical way.
They:The Right to Challenge authority in the US.
They:
Put up walls.
Deport who they don't like.
Restrict immigration.
Walk around with high powered weapons.
Beat up the media they don't like.
Yeah... umm
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