The West has lost its freedom of speech

[dutchie]

The US is imploding. That's not good for Australia.

 

[moXJO]

The one certainty is that further progress is now close to impossible.

If today’s attitude had prevailed in the past then every progressive cause from access to abortion to gay rights would have been shut down immediately for challenging the prevailing wisdom of the day.

Society was somewhat conservative in the 1980’s and 90’s but at least free thought and expression were valued meaning that progress was possible and actually occurring. No longer the case unfortunately.

This is an attempt at changing the guard.
Commies tore down statue in China.
Isis did the same.
Destroying history is often the first thing that happens with authoritarianism.

 

[moXJO]

Aren't they are still being directed by the last Hitler ?

According to lefties Bush was Hitler. Kind of left them with no where to go once trump came along.

 

[PZ99]

Hehe - George Bush... the man who had to abandon the free market principles in order to save the free market system.

History repeats itself in more ways then one

 

[moXJO]

Hehe - George Bush... the man who had to abandon the free market principles in order to save the free market system.

History repeats itself in more ways then one

Bush actually talked Obama into bailing out wall street. Funny stuff.

 

[sptrawler]

It will say a lot, if the protest marches go ahead on the weekend, IMO it will show radicals are running the country not the Government.
In W.A the Labor Government, run by Mark McGowan has a huge popularity and has been held in high regard by the public regarding the virus, he has asked the marches be postponed.
It will really highlight a problem if they go ahead IMO.

 

[PZ99]

Bush actually talked Obama into bailing out wall street. Funny stuff.

Well no one wanted to suck like a Hoover Even funnier is how Trump rolled back the regulations that caused the need for a bailout in the first place.

 

[basilio]

Just a reality check please. Back in the real world which organisations are ASIO most concerned about ?

ASIO briefing warns that the far-right is exploiting coronavirus to recruit new members
Right-wing extremists now make up around a third of all domestic ASIO investigations, with the spy agency warning that the far-right is using COVID-19 as cover to push its dangerous ideas and recruit new members.
...
"COVID-19 restrictions are being exploited by extreme right-wing narratives that paint the state as oppressive, and globalisation and democracy as flawed and failing," the intelligence agency warned.

"We assess the COVID-19 pandemic has reinforced an extreme right-wing belief in the inevitability of societal collapse and a 'race war'.
"An extreme right-wing attack in Australia is plausible."
Right-wing groups and individuals have sought to take advantage of conspiracy theories that are spreading in the community during the pandemic, including people opposed to 5G technology and mandatory vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...-far-right-is-exploiting-coronavirus/12344472

 

[Dona Ferentes]

More scared of the book-burners, bas

 

[Dona Ferentes]

too bad about the protester the statue fell on (now in critical condition in hospital)

 

[sptrawler]

Just a reality check please. Back in the real world which organisations are ASIO most concerned about ?

ASIO briefing warns that the far-right is exploiting coronavirus to recruit new members
Right-wing extremists now make up around a third of all domestic ASIO investigations, with the spy agency warning that the far-right is using COVID-19 as cover to push its dangerous ideas and recruit new members.
...
"COVID-19 restrictions are being exploited by extreme right-wing narratives that paint the state as oppressive, and globalisation and democracy as flawed and failing," the intelligence agency warned.

"We assess the COVID-19 pandemic has reinforced an extreme right-wing belief in the inevitability of societal collapse and a 'race war'.
"An extreme right-wing attack in Australia is plausible."
Right-wing groups and individuals have sought to take advantage of conspiracy theories that are spreading in the community during the pandemic, including people opposed to 5G technology and mandatory vaccination.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...-far-right-is-exploiting-coronavirus/12344472

That's the problem Bas, for every action there is a reaction, the left are running riot the obvious reaction will be a stronger right wing will form.
For one group saying it is our way or the highway, another group of people who strongly disagree will form and say get stuffed.
History repeats.

 

[Tink]

Gone with the Wind has been taken off HBO Max following calls for it to be removed from the US streaming service.

HBO Max said the 1939 film was "a product of its time" and depicted "ethnic and racial prejudices" that "were wrong then and are wrong today".

It said the film would return to the platform at an unspecified date with a "discussion of its historical context".

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52990714

 

[SirRumpole]

Gone with the Wind has been taken off HBO Max following calls for it to be removed from the US streaming service.

HBO Max said the 1939 film was "a product of its time" and depicted "ethnic and racial prejudices" that "were wrong then and are wrong today".

It said the film would return to the platform at an unspecified date with a "discussion of its historical context".

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52990714

The Nanny State lives !

How ridiculous , telling adults what to think about a work of fiction set in the past.

As bad as the Fawlty Towers fiasco.

 

[dutchie]

When they come and tell you your racist, tell them to get st#ffed.

 

[basilio]

For one group saying it is our way or the highway, another group of people who strongly disagree will form and say get stuffed.

ASIO notes that it is extreme right wing groups that are the most significant cause for concern.
Maybe worth considering the views of US General John Allan (Ret) with regard to the risks the US is facing and the role of political leadership in addressing these concerns.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/03/trump-military-george-floyd-protests/

 

[moXJO]

too bad about the protester the statue fell on (now in critical condition in hospital)

 

[sptrawler]

ASIO notes that it is extreme right wing groups that are the most significant cause for concern.
Maybe worth considering the views of US General John Allan (Ret) with regard to the risks the US is facing and the role of political leadership in addressing these concerns.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/03/trump-military-george-floyd-protests/

There are radicals on both sides IMO
My guess would be ASIO are concerned about all extremists, it just depends how the media wants to present it, News would probably print the same article with left wing radicals being the subject.
The media are clowns, as has been highlighted by there coverage of the early part of the pandemic.
Just my opinion.

 

[moXJO]

A couple blocks in Seattle have been overtaken.
They created a "autonomous zone free of police". Got some armed security now as well with the John Brown Gun Club. I think Chaz the rapper is the current warlord.

You couldn't make this sht up

 

[Smurf1976]

ASIO notes that it is extreme right wing groups that are the most significant cause for concern.

I'll compare that to saying that Right wing motorists driving at 200 km/h through the suburbs are an extreme concern most certainly but the Left having gotten rid of speed cameras, radars, speed humps and so on whilst handing out free petrol sure isn't helping the cause.

If I was black then what's going on right now would terrify me really, indeed even as someone who's very obviously white it's a major concern.

Destroying private property, riots in the street, putting the entire community at risk of another COVID-19 outbreak, blocking access to movies and TV shows and so on. If the aim is to fuel resentment against the cause then this is a damn good way to do it.

It's not the path to peace. You don't get people on side with whatever cause by smashing things up and causing chaos. Rather, you do it by showing them how they will benefit or at least not be harmed by agreeing to what you want, a point that those advocating everything from saving the wilderness to gay marriage understood very clearly.

The aim is to convince those not directly involved that they've nothing to fear from change, that it won't put them out of work or prevent them continuing to live in a conservative manner if that's what they prefer. Convince them that even if they don't see the cause as important to pursue, they've nothing to lose by it happening so there's no reason to oppose it.

 

[moXJO]

I'm worried what happens if it goes on for too long. It's very "lord of the flies" at the moment.