The West has lost its freedom of speech

[SirRumpole]

I think this is an appropriate thread for this post.

Pretty soon we won't be able to speak to our intimate advisors (including doctors and lawyers) without the government knowing about it.

Both Labor and the LNP will be last on my voting list if this goes through.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-19/bradley-our-privacy-is-about-to-be-serially-infringed/6333274

 

[luutzu]

Wrong, the ratings have been changed a few times since. It was M when it was released

Has the movie changed since its release?

It's the typical lightweight summer popcorn movie you take your kids to. It was, I remembered right, the biggest blockbuster of the year so all kids and teens would go. You make it out like the man took his kids to see, I don't know, American Psycho or Halloween.

Have you seen RoboCop [1987]? An R-rating. You see people being shot to pieces; some dude's face melted when industrial acid poured on him etc. etc. All my friends and I saw it, I spent a summer with my little brother playing it on Ninendo.. there's a bunch toys and products marketed at kids. We saw part two too... don't think anyone ever saw part 3.

Our parents were all OK with RoboCop and Terminator... bring home Playboy and you better hide it below the last draw.

Anyway, I thought we value people's freedom of speech. Parents don't have the right to complaint when their kids are exposed to sexually charged ads before an obviously light alien invasion flick?

 

[Tisme]

I think this is an appropriate thread for this post.

Pretty soon we won't be able to speak to our intimate advisors (including doctors and lawyers) without the government knowing about it.

Both Labor and the LNP will be last on my voting list if this goes through.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-19/bradley-our-privacy-is-about-to-be-serially-infringed/6333274

It is going through and you are culpable because you voted for them. Mean while death cults will merely hide behind firewalls and proxies.

 

[SirRumpole]

It is going through and you are culpable because you voted for them. .

Was this subject even mentioned before the last election ?

Or is it all part of "Team Australia" ?

 

[moXJO]

Has the movie changed since its release?

It's the typical lightweight summer popcorn movie you take your kids to. It was, I remembered right, the biggest blockbuster of the year so all kids and teens would go. You make it out like the man took his kids to see, I don't know, American Psycho or Halloween.

Have you seen RoboCop [1987]? An R-rating. You see people being shot to pieces; some dude's face melted when industrial acid poured on him etc. etc. All my friends and I saw it, I spent a summer with my little brother playing it on Ninendo.. there's a bunch toys and products marketed at kids. We saw part two too... don't think anyone ever saw part 3.

Our parents were all OK with RoboCop and Terminator... bring home Playboy and you better hide it below the last draw.

Anyway, I thought we value people's freedom of speech. Parents don't have the right to complaint when their kids are exposed to sexually charged ads before an obviously light alien invasion flick?

Mature content = Mature content
You don't get all pissy when you are going against classification in the first place. He put himself and his kids in that position and now wants to blame bonds. How dare he accuse our national iconic brand.
I value his right to free speech, doesn't mean I don't think its wrong and funny.

"YAY a movie about melting faces"
"OH MY GOD an undie ad, my children and I are damaged for life"

Bwahaha Independence day had a stripper scene did you cry about that as well.

 

[moXJO]

I think this is an appropriate thread for this post.

Pretty soon we won't be able to speak to our intimate advisors (including doctors and lawyers) without the government knowing about it.

Both Labor and the LNP will be last on my voting list if this goes through.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-19/bradley-our-privacy-is-about-to-be-serially-infringed/6333274

Funny how they can both agree on stiffing the general population with this privacy invasion. Seems you are stuffed no matter which way you vote.

 

[Tisme]

Was this subject even mentioned before the last election ?

Or is it all part of "Team Australia" ?

Yeah it's a disgrace we have a formal invasion of privacy...to me it's akin to someone opening my mail before it arrives at my letterbox. The ability of some public servant to manipulate my correspondence for malice, mischief or profit worries me.

 

[luutzu]

Mature content = Mature content
You don't get all pissy when you are going against classification in the first place. He put himself and his kids in that position and now wants to blame bonds. How dare he accuse our national iconic brand.
I value his right to free speech, doesn't mean I don't think its wrong and funny.

"YAY a movie about melting faces"
"OH MY GOD an undie ad, my children and I are damaged for life"

Bwahaha Independence day had a stripper scene did you cry about that as well.

Rate M at first release in Australia, 3 months later it's PG. PG rated since then for BluRay; PG rated pretty much all over the world.

http://www.classification.gov.au/Pages/Results.aspx?q=independence+day&t=lfc

So ID4 isn't your typical M rated film is it?


But let's say it is for Mature Audiences only, not Parental Guidance.

Say you're a parent who's OK with their kid watching a summer alien-invasion flick (and no, RoboCop was rated R-18+ and has the face melting part)... say you're OK with ID4... are you going to be OK with them watching these ads below?

I like the second lingerie ad... CPR and all.





And the condom ads... educational too.

 

[moXJO]

Was this subject even mentioned before the last election ?

Or is it all part of "Team Australia" ?

Labor had the internet filter and from memory libs made a fuss over it. Now it seems libs are making an even worse version. Liberal core should be opposing this.
This is where Turnbull should be kicking up a stink.

 

[Tink]

Yes, I know you think similarly as I do on this topic, Tisme, as I said in your post a while back.

What is wrong here is people shouldn't be silenced, especially on a public broadcaster.
We all pay to keep it afloat.
It is suppose to be for all of us, and that goes for the ABC as well.

If Channel 7 and 9 can broadcast it, the SBS have no excuses except for pushing their own agenda.
As the title says, we are losing our freedom of speech.
The lefts morality of social engineering.

This is the ad that was banned.

SBS takes a controversial stance on family values.

TWO opposing commercials were booked this month on SBS, the broadcaster we pay $287 million a year to make us more civilised.

Guess which was banned for offending good taste?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...268572344?sv=9b5933dda322ffe27f3827f451a8fd8e

 

[Tisme]

Yes, I know you think similarly as I do on this topic, Tisme, as I said in your post a while back.

What is wrong here is people shouldn't be silenced, especially on a public broadcaster.
We all pay to keep it afloat.
It is suppose to be for all of us, and that goes for the ABC as well.

If Channel 7 and 9 can broadcast it, the SBS have no excuses except for pushing their own agenda.
As the title says, we are losing our freedom of speech.
The lefts morality of social engineering.

This is the ad that was banned.

We are not alone Tink. I'm pretty sure the rise in religion is a fightback to social engineering that is at odds with our primal instincts.

Religion is about the only community we are allowed to have these days that isn't intrinsically taxed, licenced, regulated, rezoned, state codified, etc., but it also has its own club rules that I find rather sheepish, sometimes brutal.

 

[Tisme]

moXJO you and your compatriot who promoted the idea of children being exposed to sexual advertising will just gave to wear the badges you pinned on yourselves. Sufficed to say you are probably not someone I would leave my grand children with while I went off to fight aliens.

The idea of aliens coming to earth in a giant spaceship is so ridiculous that even a child would realise the fantasy.

An advertiser's first task is to convince his audience of product credibility and encapsulate that with messages to create a need..... marketers don't generally make expensive ads for the social good, but as a keystone in consumerism.

Please don't confuse me as a lone wolf on this. The entire theatre echoed with adults voices disapproving (spontaneously) and I was pleasantly surprised to find out I was not the only father who rang the theatre to complain and I was also surprised to know the theatre had withdrawn the ad....admittedly it was not a theatre chain.

 

[moXJO]

Rate M at first release in Australia, 3 months later it's PG. PG rated since then for BluRay; PG rated pretty much all over the world.


So ID4 isn't your typical M rated film is it?


But let's say it is for Mature Audiences only, not Parental Guidance.

Say you're a parent who's OK with their kid watching a summer alien-invasion flick (and no, RoboCop was rated R-18+ and has the face melting part)... say you're OK with ID4... are you going to be OK with them watching these ads below?

I like the second lingerie ad... CPR and all.

Luutzu it is his responsibility to check the classification at the time. It was screened as M everything after that point still results as him being in the wrong and blaming others. RATED M Luutzu. Yes, I did find this funny before- but diging out a M rating was just the icing on the cake to tismes whole nam style undie flashback.

Films and computer games classified M (Mature) contain content of a moderate impact and are recommended for teenagers aged 15 years and over.

Children under 15 may legally access this material because it is an advisory category. However, M classified films and computer games may include classifiable elements such as violence and nudity of moderate impact that are not recommended for children under 15 years.

Parents and guardians may need to find out more about the film or computer game’s specific content, before deciding whether the material is suitable for their child.

The film was screened under M , got it yet or do I need to say it again. So yes I do agree that taking your kids to a M rated film when you are a uptight irresponsible religious homophobe that tries to shift blame to everyone else is not a good idea.
Here is the PG rating

The content is mild in impact.

The impact of PG (Parental Guidance) classified films and computer games should be no higher than mild, but they may contain content that children find confusing or upsetting and may require the guidance of parents and guardians. They may, for example, contain classifiable elements such as language and themes that are mild in impact.
It is not recommended for viewing or playing by persons under 15 without guidance from parents or guardians.

Now I bet they didn’t run the bonds ad under the pg rating and yet PG is still not recommended to those under 15. I think the rating now for the movie is PG13. The rating system has changed a few times over the years.

Yes I would be pissed if I went to a spongebob G rated movie and those ads came on. Right now there are worse music video clips that are on free to air. No I don't agree with it, but context is everything (childs age, maturity level and underlying tones of ads).

The first batch of ads you showed would all be deemed sexist now good luck getting any of them on in Aust.

Secondly, the movie had a stripper pole dancing in her undies or are we ignoring that.

moXJO you and your compatriot who promoted the idea of children being exposed to sexual advertising will just gave to wear the badges you pinned on yourselves. Sufficed to say you are probably not someone I would leave my grand children with while I went off to fight aliens.

The idea of aliens coming to earth in a giant spaceship is so ridiculous that even a child would realise the fantasy.
.

The movie had a stripper pole dancing in her undies
Was rated M
Full of violence
And the bonds ad caught you by surprise.
So ignoring movie classification is everyone else's fault is it?
I have no problem with age appropriate content being restricted, but you went ahead and ignored that M rating.

If you are overly concerned about such things or religiously minded CHECK FIRST. There's this awesome thing called responsibility you should take a spoonful. If I can find out the movie classification 19 years after the fact you could have a lot easier then.

You also went homophobic-redneck style and now trying to allude that I am for child exploitation lol. You are the one who happily exposed your kids to a M rating while expecting a G. Yes everyone who had a whine should have checked beforehand.
Dude I wouldn't let you take my kids to the movies, seems way to traumatic.

 

[luutzu]

Alright. So I take it you have never, and would never, let your 8-14 year old watch any of these movies?

Superman Returns - rated M
Man of Steel - rated M
Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy - rated M

Mission Impossible, 1, 2, 3, 4 - rated M
War of the Worlds - rated M


Batman - Keaton's version - is OK at PG
Batman Returns - rated M so no go
Batman and Robin - rated M... you'd want your money back
Batman Forever - rated M... last nail on the franchise coffin


Most Star Wars movies seems PG, but episode 2 - the attack of the clones is M on DVD... so what will your kids do not knowing how bad the second prequel was?

anyway...

Lots of stripping in ID4

 

[moXJO]

Alright. So I take it you have never, and would never, let your 8-14 year old watch any of these movies?

Luutzu if you choose to let your kids watch any of those movies it is with the knowledge that they might be exposed to subjects not appropriate to children. It is your job to know what maturity level they are at. The ratings are there for those that get butt hurt and offended. Its a pretty simple system that clearly warns about the particular movie.


Seriously you let your kids watch Batman and Robin. You should be locked up for exposing your kids to that brain damaging crap.

 

[luutzu]

Luutzu if you choose to let your kids watch any of those movies it is with the knowledge that they might be exposed to subjects not appropriate to children. It is your job to know what maturity level they are at. The ratings are there for those that get butt hurt and offended. Its a pretty simple system that clearly warns about the particular movie.


Seriously you let your kids watch Batman and Robin. You should be locked up for exposing your kids to that brain damaging crap.

The content of the movie is what i'd be responsible for. Not the ads before it.

Batman and Robin is bad, but for other reasons.

Most parents would be OK with their kids watching a superhero/alien invasion movie where there's sanitized, off-screen death and destruction... but would not be OK with undie-clad women moaning and purring. If you want to make that out to be them being hypocritical or irresponsible, then that's your freedom of opinion.

If your brother or your kids bring their 10 year old over and say the kid love IronMan or Avengers... are you going to turn on those lingerie ads and say it's fair game?

 

[moXJO]

The content of the movie is what i'd be responsible for. Not the ads before it.

Batman and Robin is bad, but for other reasons.

Most parents would be OK with their kids watching a superhero/alien invasion movie where there's sanitized, off-screen death and destruction... but would not be OK with undie-clad women moaning and purring. If you want to make that out to be them being hypocritical or irresponsible, then that's your freedom of opinion.

If your brother or your kids bring their 10 year old over and say the kid love IronMan or Avengers... are you going to turn on those lingerie ads and say it's fair game?

Luutzu M rating stands and is pretty clear. It's not about what you think should happen no matter how much you try and twist. You have the opinion, I'm stating the fact- M rating.
So you are pro violence/anti-sex/ anti semi-nudity.
God don't take your kids to the beach in case they get exposed to semi-nudity or shock horror semi-nude gays kissing.

 

[Tisme]

You also went homophobic-redneck style...

yeah yeah , you were so happy trolling for a reaction back then, you didn't figure you were being played.....and here we are and the piper is looking for payment.

 

[moXJO]

yeah yeah , you were so happy trolling for a reaction back then, you didn't figure you were being played.....and here we are and the piper is looking for payment.

Lol
you know I love you Tisme, but in a strictly G rating classification.

 

[luutzu]

Luutzu M rating stands and is pretty clear. It's not about what you think should happen no matter how much you try and twist. You have the opinion, I'm stating the fact- M rating.
So you are pro violence/anti-sex/ anti semi-nudity.
God don't take your kids to the beach in case they get exposed to semi-nudity or shock horror semi-nude gays kissing.

again, ID4's M rating was changed 3 months later by the same Australian board. And even if they didn't, it is obvious to all those who ever go to the movies that it's a sci-fi, popcorn flick - not a Stanley Kubrick or Christopher Nolan's take on alien invasions.

Fact is, I'd bet that you wouldn't mind having this and those other superhero M-rated movies lying around your house and any kids or relo visiting are free to watch it. But your Playboy and Victoria Secret's collection are hidden away and you'd be horrified if those same kids stumbled across it.

too much time on my hand man.