The West has lost its freedom of speech

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Malaysia, a Muslim country, is going down the Brunei path

Political parties are trying to out-do each

Who needs a time machine when you have religion...

The perils of speaking out against Islamic law in Malaysia​

A satirical video has exposed the sensitivity over Islamic law in Malaysia - as well as the limits of online speech in the country.

It was supposed to be a light-hearted poke at proposals to expand Islamic law in one state in Malaysia. But a video starring journalist Aisyah Tajuddin resulted in death and rape threats along with a police investigation.

It all began when the Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party (known by its Malay acronym PAS) proposed implementing hudud laws on Muslims in Kelantan, a mostly rural state in the northeast of the country.

Hudud laws cover prohibitions against things such as adultery, apostasy, robbery and theft, and prescribe punishments considered cruel or unusual in most Western countries: public beatings, stoning, amputation and public execution. They're also relatively uncommon in most Muslim nations with the exception of those such as Saudi Arabia or Iran which follow the most strict interpretations of Islamic sharia law.

Aisyah, a journalist with independent radio station BFM, mocked the party in a video titled "Hudud: A Rice Bowl Issue". As she crosses an imaginary border into Kelantan, a headscarf appears on her head. Finding a rock instead of rice in a packet of food, she tosses it away and shrugs, saying "Oh well, we have hudud, don't we?" and giving an ironic thumbs up. Her point? That instead of Islamic law, the PAS should be more concerned with issues such as the economy and reconstruction after severe floods in the region.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-32089787​

 

[noco]

Pauline Hanson was being interviewed on Channel 7 and she was expressing her views on Islam, something many people agree upon....For some unknown reason the sound was cut off.....whether it was a station defect or whether she was stopped by Channel 7 for reasons only known to them, we may never know....Maybe she was too out spoken and in this case freedom of speech was prevented.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...i-islam-protests/story-fnihslxi-1227291984380

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Pauline Hanson was being interviewed on Channel 7 and she was expressing her views on Islam, something many people agree upon....For some unknown reason the sound was cut off.....whether it was a station defect or whether she was stopped by Channel 7 for reasons only known to them, we may never know....Maybe she was too out spoken and in this case freedom of speech was prevented.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...i-islam-protests/story-fnihslxi-1227291984380

Firstly for the record, may I say that I believe PHanson to be a stubbie short of a carton.

Nonetheless, the media environment now is fraught with polarisation, and any comment, anywhere, may lead one to be vilified as either a Far-Left or a Far-Right Nutjob.

I believe in Free Speech and the Far Left on the weekend were a disgrace, objecting to the masturbatory antics of the Far Right. Masturbation is a right, fought for by Australians over many years.

Why resort to violence?

gg

 

[moXJO]

Firstly for the record, may I say that I believe PHanson to be a stubbie short of a carton.

Nonetheless, the media environment now is fraught with polarisation, and any comment, anywhere, may lead one to be vilified as either a Far-Left or a Far-Right Nutjob.

I believe in Free Speech and the Far Left on the weekend were a disgrace, objecting to the masturbatory antics of the Far Right. Masturbation is a right, fought for by Australians over many years.

Why resort to violence?

gg

That rally on both sides was a mess. Stormfront(white supremacists group) had a field day with recruiting from reclaim Australia supporters. And from what I'm hearing a Jewish advocacy group on facebook is making claims that it is in contact with the organizers of the rally and offers financial help to any of the reclaim protesters who are arrested and accused of being a neo nazi. No idea if it is true or not.

The left lost the PR war badly and were outnumbered despite reports. If police lost control the left would have been spanked badly. Right now Stormfront is interested in building numbers and hijacking the debate. Hopefully these rallies are not held to often.

 

[IFocus]

I was in Hay street mall (WA) the other weekend when "not in my name" protesters marched through.

Old Anglo's mostly, church groups must have been a couple of thousand.

I was waiting outside Jeans West wife inside shopping.

Street mainly full of Asians and other ethic groups not many Anglos like me or the protesters.

Any way a guy started to rant to me (I always attract them) how they should look around we are not racist I had to agree as I slid sideways out of rant view.

Interesting that the ethics (Asians etc)looked on with bemusement.

 

[sptrawler]

I was in Hay street mall (WA) the other weekend when "not in my name" protesters marched through.

Old Anglo's mostly, church groups must have been a couple of thousand.

I was waiting outside Jeans West wife inside shopping.

Street mainly full of Asians and other ethic groups not many Anglos like me or the protesters.

Any way a guy started to rant to me (I always attract them) how they should look around we are not racist I had to agree as I slid sideways out of rant view.

Interesting that the ethics (Asians etc)looked on with bemusement.

Let's be honest, their rants aren't much different, to your calling Abbott "the mad monk".

Maybe they see something in you, that attracts them.

 

[Tink]

Debate over council‘s non-Muslim hijab move

A local Victorian Council, City of Greater Dandenong, encourages non Muslim women to wear hijabs as part of social experiment.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s=10153192274552192&fb_action_types=og.shares


I wonder if this was The Greens.

 

[Value Collector]

Debate over council‘s non-Muslim hijab move

A local Victorian Council, City of Greater Dandenong, encourages non Muslim women to wear hijabs as part of social experiment.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s=10153192274552192&fb_action_types=og.shares


I wonder if this was The Greens.

I thought you would be pro hijab, given your religion has a tradition of wearing them eg nuns where them.

also your bible clearly states that women should cover their head. Maybe that's one of the parts you choose to ignore.

 

[Value Collector]

Tink, let me guess, you only have a problem with one of these religious head dress.

 

[SirRumpole]

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Tink, let me guess, you only have a problem with one of these religious head dress.

It's a lot easier for a nun to leave the Catholic church than it is for women to leave the Islamic religion.

 

[Tink]

All believers do not wear nuns outfits, VC.

I don't care if they wear hijabs, I just think its unusual, someone asking another person to try it for a few hours to see how it feels.

I don't remember any one else ever doing that in other faiths.

 

[SirRumpole]

All believers do not wear nuns outfits, VC.

I don't care if they wear hijabs, I just think its unusual, someone asking another person to try it for a few hours to see how it feels.

I don't remember any one else ever doing that in other faiths.

Maybe someone should suggest that Muslim women don't wear hijabs in public for a while to see how that feels.

 

[Tink]

As I said, it doesn't bother me about the hijab, rather that, than just the eyes showing.

Buddhists etc, they all dress in their own way, and many other faiths, no one has ever said anything.

I think this creates more problems when they single themselves out as being the victim.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Value Collector]

Maybe someone should suggest that Muslim women don't wear hijabs in public for a while to see how that feels.

I think that gets suggested a lot. a lot of people are even asking for burkas and hijabs to be banned, no one ever suggests banning catholic veils though.

 

[Value Collector]

All believers do not wear nuns outfits, VC.

I don't care if they wear hijabs, I just think its unusual, someone asking another person to try it for a few hours to see how it feels.

I don't remember any one else ever doing that in other faiths.

Not all muslims wear hijabs either.

some muslims ignore those commandments, just as a lot of Christian women ignore the biblical commandments for them to wear a head covering.

The bible doesn't say only Nuns should cover their head, it says women.

Don't you think anyone has suggested muslim women should try not wearing head dress?

There are actually groups campaigning to ban muslim head dress.

 

[Value Collector]

It's a lot easier for a nun to leave the Catholic church than it is for women to leave the Islamic religion.

How so, many of them believe that eternal hell fire awaits people that abandon the faith.

 

[explod]

Not all muslims wear hijabs either.

some muslims ignore those commandments, just as a lot of Christian women ignore the biblical commandments for them to wear a head covering.

The bible doesn't say only Nuns should cover their head, it says women.

Don't you think anyone has suggested muslim women should try not wearing head dress?

There are actually groups campaigning to ban muslim head dress.

Thos rules on headbands evolved in the middle ages. Such rules were not part of the Jesus teachings.

As with the tall churchspire, the heavenly type space with stained glass windows and the crixiform, the headbands and coverings were another part of the system to control the followers. In particular the power of men over women. Unfortunately the women are so programmed and indoctrinated that under Gods hand they fight for the burkar.

These leaders are the ones that will ultimately burn in hell, if in fact there is one.

I know two ex Catholic Priests and a former Nun who saw through the witch doctor and are now athiests.

 

[Tink]

So, explod, why do the Greens dislike Christianity, yet this country was built on their principles.

The Greens website has photos of Muslims as Australian women.

What is that all about?

 

[Value Collector]

Thos rules on headbands evolved in the middle ages. Such rules were not part of the Jesus teachings.

Wrong, both the old and New Testament mention head coverings. Check out Corinthians 11:15

just like the muslims rules against pork (yes, the bible outlaws pork also), the rules about women covering their head were inspired by the bible.

 

[Value Collector]

The Greens website has photos of Muslims as Australian women.

What is that all about?

so muslims can't be Australian?

Australia is made up of many races and creeds.

would you be upset with the greens website if it showed a person of Asian decent as an Australian? Do you believe only people of European decent are true Aussies?

You remind me a bit of my grandmother, who has trouble accepting that a person of asian appearance is Australian, even if they are third generation, "they just don't look like an aussie" she said.