The West has lost its freedom of speech

[SirRumpole]

http://www.moviemarshal.com.au/boxaus1996.html

Oh the flavor

I've seen Independence Day and I dispute that rating. I doubt if it shows lesbians sticking their tongues down each others throats.

 

[moXJO]

It's pretty obvious you are trolling for reaction.

You got my number

I have no problem with your parenting style. In fact protecting those from what is harmful, or from things that impinge on ones rights to safety and freedom is worth fighting for.

As for Islam yep I will fight for your right to freedom of religious practice. And your protection from abuse in everyday life. But the moment you start thinking I give a toss what your sky daddy said, or agree with any nutter religion being forced on to the unwilling public think again.

We called BS to the catholic church and kicked the stuffing out of them for their outdated views and pedophilia. We have countries NOW at this time killing homosexuals, stoning women and allowing the rape of children in the name of Islam. All of this and where is the equivalent outrage from Muslim communities, or even those decrying the church?

I went to the beach with my kids and the surf was a bit rough. So we walked over to the rock pools where I was told by a group of Muslim men that I wasn't allowed to enter as their women were bathing. I asked them did they have a permit as they started to physically surround me "no" was the reply. To cut it short, they sure didn't like me paddling in that pool that day.

On the other hand I have done work for many Muslim families who are beyond nice, tell me wonderful stories of their homeland and are genuinely good people. I have no problem with religion being a private thing.

But when it is not only a religion but their politics and law, problems will arise.

Hey Tisme one more:

IN MEMORIAL OF THE VICTIMS OF THE BONDS AD BOMBING BLITS OF 1996



Lest We Forget

 

[moXJO]

I've seen Independence Day and I dispute that rating. I doubt if it shows lesbians sticking their tongues down each others throats.

Are you the rating Board are you?

 

[SirRumpole]

Are you the rating Board are you?

You are not trying to deny my freedom of speech I hope ?

 

[moXJO]

You are not trying to deny my freedom of speech I hope ?

No questioning your credentials.

 

[luutzu]

No questioning your credentials.

If ID4 had a scene where a couple is doing the bond ad thing, it probably will get an R18+ rating. Either way, he found it offensive to his kids so what's the problem?


So it's OK to mock people's faith to sell papers, but not cool when a father is upset at things shown, without warnings, that he believe would harm his children?

Seems your definition of free speech only involves doing things that upset people.

 

[moXJO]

If ID4 had a scene where a couple is doing the bond ad thing, it probably will get an R18+ rating. Either way, he found it offensive to his kids so what's the problem?


So it's OK to mock people's faith to sell papers, but not cool when a father is upset at things shown, without warnings, that he believe would harm his children?

Seems your definition of free speech only involves doing things that upset people.

Well if it had an M rating no use getting your undies in a knot over undie pr0n. That is the whole point of a rating.

Where did I say anyone should have free speech. I think no one should be allowed to have an opinion luutzu and should be flogged on the spot for having one. The mere notion that your confused post resembles something of an opinion offends me and should get you banned and beaten.
I also believe you should only read the post that offends you and bugger the rest

 

[FxTrader]

So it's OK to mock people's faith..

It's always "OK" to mock superstition and fictitious mythology. Religious superstition deservers no respect and should receive none from any rational, free thinking person. Of course fear and intimidation can be used to muzzle apostates and disciples of free speech.

On the subject of the peaceful Muslim majority, I wholly agree with Brigitte Gabriel, they don't matter. It's the millions of Muslims with radical views that are ripping apart the fabric of human society.

 

[basilio]

Is there another view of Brigette Gabriel and whether she actually has a clue about she is saying?

Is it just easy to accept an aggressive, bombastic persons words without challenge. I did some more looking on Brigette. Perhaps another perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MrtjdEyNtc

 

[FxTrader]

Is there another view of Brigette Gabriel and whether she actually has a clue about she is saying?

While the numbers she quotes in the vid are not backed with reference to hard data, what part of what she said do you proclaim was clueless? If you want stats on the large number of Muslims that hold what non-Muslims would consider "radical" views they are everywhere if you bother to look (very small sample)...
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority/

Is it just easy to accept an aggressive, bombastic persons words without challenge.

She was challenged in the video exchange and gave an aggressive response and quite a good one at that. Attacking the messenger does not diminish the force of the argument she was making. It indeed does not matter how many peaceful Muslims there are when thousands are being slaughtered and millions oppressed by fundamentalist Islamists.

I did some more looking on Brigette. Perhaps another perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MrtjdEyNtc

Hardly a neutral perspective from a obvious apologist for Islam. How effective has working with "peaceful" Muslims been in stemming the tide of violence perpetrated by extremist Muslims? Perhaps just as effective as working with peaceful Germans or Japanese would have been in WW2?

When a war is declared, appeals to a peace are interpreted as a sign of weakness and just ignored by the aggressors. Only military defeat or stalemate leads to any resolution. Freedom from tyranny (religion inspired or otherwise) comes at the cost of human life and always will.

 

[SirRumpole]

Hardly a neutral perspective from a obvious apologist for Islam. How effective has working with "peaceful" Muslims been in stemming the tide of violence perpetrated by extremist Muslims? Perhaps just as effective as working with peaceful Germans or Japanese would have been in WW2?

How can you or I assess the effectiveness of the relationships between our authorities and the various Muslim communities in this country ? Are you a member of ASIO or the AFP ? If so you would not be asking a question, you would be giving an answer.

In the case of the dill who held up the cafe, he was well in the view of relevant authorities for some time who let him remain free on bail on serious charges, so I would say that the effects of his actions were the result of inaction by our own authorities rather than of any support or concealment by other Muslims.

Put it this way. Muslims make up about 1.5% of the population. If they don't cooperate they are going to be on watch lists and risk having their doors kicked down by our relevant organisatons.

The incentives are all there for them to be helpful, and we would achieve much more by gaining their trust than we would by isolating and disparaging them and turning some of them into terrorists or terrorist facilitators.

The people here who say "there are no moderate Muslims" are, as someone else has already said, sowing the seeds of a civil war on our own land.

Better a few drops of honey than bucket loads of spite in this situation.

 

[Bintang]

The people here who say "there are no moderate Muslims" are, as someone else has already said, sowing the seeds of a civil war on our own land.

You should voice you objection to the Prime Minister Of Turkey:

 

[SirRumpole]

You should voice you objection to the Prime Minister Of Turkey:

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The President of Turkey is one man. Does he speak for every Muslim ?

 

[Bintang]

The President of Turkey is one man. Does he speak for every Muslim ?

Ask him.

 

[SirRumpole]

Ask him.

Why don't you do a survey of Muslims on the street and ask them ?

 

[Bintang]

Why don't you do a survey of Muslims on the street and ask them ?

Which street where? Sydney, Islamabad, Luton, Riyadh?
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As regards to Bintang's claim that there are no moderate Muslims, you are missing the subtlety of what he is saying. It was obvious from the start that he was not saying that all those who claim to be and act like moderate Muslims are lying and are in fact extreme in their views, but saying that those who claim to be and act like moderate Muslims are in fact not really Muslims according to the dictates of their faith. If a true Muslim means following the Islamic doctrine of the Quran and Hadith, then a moderate (by our standards) Muslim is not a true Muslim using that definition.

What do you make of the comments of Erdogan, PM of Turkey, that he posted above. Erdogan is endorsing Bintang's view. That also explains why Turkey is one of the biggest supporters of ISIS. Additionally, Erdogan said just a day or two ago that the Charlie Hebdo killings were actually organised by the US and Israel. Typical denials by Muslim leaders that always try to disassociate Islam from such barbarism. Erdogan is also the person who said just a month ago that women were lesser persons than men (you did notice all the Muslim protesters hitting the street over that statement?).

 

[SirRumpole]

Muslims are in fact not really Muslims according to the dictates of their faith. If a true Muslim means following the Islamic doctrine of the Quran and Hadith, then a moderate (by our standards) Muslim is not a true Muslim using that definition.

As I said, one man's interpretation. There are hardliners and moderates like I keep on saying. So much so that I am tired of saying it and will leave you to your Islamophobia.

 

[Bintang]

….. and will leave you to your Islamophobia.

Thanks. I'll do that. Need to zip and cast my vote.

"****** have recently announced that they have opened voting for their Islamotoadyism Awards for 2015. The awards ceremony promises to be “an evening of comedy mayhem as we recognise the worst Islamotoadys from around the world.”

 

[Value Collector]

Muslims are in fact not really Muslims according to the dictates of their faith. If a true Muslim means following the Islamic doctrine of the Quran and Hadith, then a moderate (by our standards) Muslim is not a true Muslim using that definition

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You can say the same for the Christians.

Thats the good thing about moderates in any religion, they take their books less seriously.

The one thing they are guilty of though is spreading the silly ideas, so that eventually others will take the books seriously

 

[Macquack]

Bintang, you keep banging on about the evils of islam, and you may be right?

What is your plan to deal with a perceived threat, until that threat is actually realised by way of committing a criminal offence, in a free country where it is not a crime to follow a particular religion?