The West has lost its freedom of speech

[luutzu]

I think you can shelter your kids to much, I mean by the time they are 11, in my opinion they should already understand the concept of sex, a lot of kids have already hit puberty or are about too, by then, you should have had the talk already.

I mean such an ad probably shouldn't be shown before a Disney movie, but if the movie is PG, then I don't see a problem, that's what "parental guidance" is for.

Some parents might be OK, others not. I know I wouldn't want my kids to see it.

Yea, as parents I think we sheltered our kids too much sometime... but I guess it's instinct or something, can't do otherwise. On the bright side of my parenthood, I've been teaching my daughter how to punch and where to punch if she's picked on... let's just hope the principal won' call me in to ask if it's true I told her that if someone hit her she ought to hit back - like my sister did, haha

 

[Bintang]

Yea, as parents I think we sheltered our kids too much sometime... but I guess it's instinct or something, can't do otherwise. On the bright side of my parenthood, I've been teaching my daughter how to punch and where to punch if she's picked on... let's just hope the principal won' call me in to ask if it's true I told her that if someone hit her she ought to hit back - like my sister did, haha

Just tell him you are following the Pope's example. "Insult my mother? Expect a punch"

 

[Tink]

Like this cartoon. Why didn't thousands of Catholics pile onto the streets and protest?

Because our country was built on our Christian Heritage

http://westerncivilisation.ipa.org.au/

 

[Bintang]

Because our country was built on our Christian Heritage

http://westerncivilisation.ipa.org.au/

My question was rhetorical but that's an interesting link you posted. Thanks.

 

[moXJO]

That's low.

The man was worried for his kids.

Yes I'm outraged.How dare his gratuitous violence be spoiled by a bonds ad.

 

[SirRumpole]

I think you can shelter your kids to much, I mean by the time they are 11, in my opinion they should already understand the concept of sex, a lot of kids have already hit puberty or are about too, by then, you should have had the talk already.

I mean such an ad probably shouldn't be shown before a Disney movie, but if the movie is PG, then I don't see a problem, that's what "parental guidance" is for.

If you are in a movie theatre with your kids and a inappropriate ad comes on, what are you going to do ?

Walk out and stop your kids seeing the movie ?

The point is that the theatre management should have considered its audience and not screened a 'M' ad before a 'PG' film.

 

[Value Collector]

If you are in a movie theatre with your kids and a inappropriate ad comes on, what are you going to do ?

Walk out and stop your kids seeing the movie ?

The point is that the theatre management should have considered its audience and not screened a 'M' ad before a 'PG' film.

I would really like some one to put up a link to this bonds ad.

as I said an 11 year old may already have or is just about to hit puberty, it's probably time to be talking about such things anyway.

 

[SirRumpole]

I would really like some one to put up a link to this bonds ad.

I would if I could find it, no luck so far but I'm not going to waste my time looking far and wide.

You could look for it yourself too.

as I said an 11 year old may already have or is just about to hit puberty, it's probably time to be talking about such things anyway.

Sure, but in the parent's own time when they think their kids are ready, not having it shoved down their throats (pardon the expression) by someone else.

 

[Tisme]

If you are in a movie theatre with your kids and a inappropriate ad comes on, what are you going to do ?

Walk out and stop your kids seeing the movie ?

The point is that the theatre management should have considered its audience and not screened a 'M' ad before a 'PG' film.

You are arguing with someone who is arguing for the sake of arguing Rumpole ... either that or you are arguing with someone who may not be a loving parent.

 

[Bintang]

“‘Blasphemous’ artwork removed from Paris exhibition,”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11374899/Blasphemous-artwork-removed-from-Paris-exhibition.html

An artwork depicting high-heeled shoes on Islamic prayer mats has been removed from an exhibition after a Muslim group warned of possible violence in the wake of the Paris attacks.

The French-Algerian artist, Zoulikha Bouabdellah, withdrew the work from an exhibition in a northern Paris suburb with a large Muslim population after an Islamic group told local authorities it could provoke “uncontrollable, irresponsible incidents”.

 

[moXJO]

I've been teaching my daughter how to punch and where to punch if she's picked on... let's just hope the principal won' call me in to ask if it's true I told her that if someone hit her she ought to hit back - like my sister did, haha

Lol I see a pattern forming.

"Now sweetheart you can punch the $hit out of someone but God forbid if we have to watch a bonds ad that puts me in the position of talking about sex."

 

[moXJO]

either that or you are arguing with someone who may not be a loving parent.

Whoa slow down there. They might just be comfortable discussing/explaining topics with their kids.
I find it amusing that Islam will happily depict cutting heads off yet be violently butt hurt over two guys kissing.
Go team violence!!!

 

[Tisme]

Lol I see a pattern forming.

"Now sweetheart you can punch the $hit out of someone but God forbid if we have to watch a bonds ad that puts me in the position of talking about sex."

It's pretty obvious you are trolling for reaction.

My post about the Bonds ad was to demonstrate why I could empathise with anyone who had been ambushed and their sensibilities insulted, because of no prior warning. I get it every other week in my business with cowards looking for mischief.

I'm not going to apologise for being a good father. My children are my responsibility and in that movie theatre I could not turn their heads or coach them that because indecent behaviour was on the screen I did not approve for x,y,z reason... a big part of child learning is discriminating right and wrong tacitly.

The litmus test here is if a stranger who showed your 11 and 13 year old back in 1996 a video of semi naked women French kissing and semi naked men caressing each other, you be standing there applauding or would you be appalled? Afterall there's nothing wrong with the content so no harm no foul?

Now you can get all Socrates on this and wax philosophical, but at the end of the day my morals (what little there are) aren't for sale to an under wear manufacturer and they aren't for sale to people who would debate children's rights to innocence.

In my opinion, and it's only an opinion, I believe the generational absence of peer adults who protect the minds and bodies of children has resulted in the uncouth, immature and selfish behaviours easily observed in many of the post baby boomer gensets. I also suspect it's come to the tipping point where those behaviours have assaulted the base senses of so many they are compelled to action via political religions like Islam and in our own backyard the shift to the extreme right in politics.

 

[luutzu]

Lol I see a pattern forming.

"Now sweetheart you can punch the $hit out of someone but God forbid if we have to watch a bonds ad that puts me in the position of talking about sex."

"if picked on".

I didn't tell her to starts fights or pick on people. But if someone pick on her, she ought to stand up for herself... warn them and if they keep it up, give as good as you get.

You can teach your kids to run and tell the teachers if that suits you. Bullies will just leave those kids alone after the teacher said so.

 

[SirRumpole]

In my opinion, and it's only an opinion, I believe the generational absence of peer adults who protect the minds and bodies of children has resulted in the uncouth, immature and selfish behaviours easily observed in many of the post baby boomer gensets. I also suspect it's come to the tipping point where those behaviours have assaulted the base senses of so many they are compelled to action via political religions like Islam and in our own backyard the shift to the extreme right in politics.

Yes, and we also have to consider the malicious world wide spread of child pornography on allegedly unassailable VPNs, where even police supposedly trying to stamp out this sort of thing get involved in its darker aspects.

This may be a departure from the Islam/free speech debate, but it could be argued that the rise of "anything goes" in advertising and by extension, in society is leading to a moribund acceptance of things that shouldn't be, with a vague shrug and a brushoff statement like "that's the world we live in today".

So, good on people like Tisme who actually take some action to correct some of the rubbish forced on us. The general dismissal by some that such people are prudes is insulting and denies the fact that society is moving in ways that may be ultimately destructive.

 

[lindsayf]

Whoa slow down there. They might just be comfortable discussing/explaining topics with their kids.
I find it amusing that Islam will happily depict cutting heads off yet be violently butt hurt over two guys kissing.
Go team violence!!!

Yes it really is very comical (at one level). There is so much material for Monty Python-esque satire - it is sad that this material is not being fully exploited/exposed and enjoyed in this way through mainstream media comedy.
Imagine todays equivalent of Dave Allen focussing on Islam

 

[luutzu]

Because our country was built on our Christian Heritage

http://westerncivilisation.ipa.org.au/

You should check out the non-violence "inspirations" to wish they could kill more "ragheads"; the non-death threats to critics of the film "American Sniper".

And oh yea, the non-glorifying of a sniper who said he's proud of his work and wish he'd killed more "savages" (his words) in Iraq.

I'm sure all soldiers follow orders, do things they have to to stay alive, to serve their country... but to say you're proud of killing people? Something's not all right with that.

 

[moXJO]

Yes, and we also have to consider the malicious world wide spread of child pornography on allegedly unassailable VPNs, where even police supposedly trying to stamp out this sort of thing get involved in its darker aspects.
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Are you now trying to link homosexuals to child pornography. I was shocked by attitudes here about homosexuality being something that should be hidden away. But we can watch people shoot the hell out of one another comfortably even breed it. Wasn't just the bonds incident.
I'm not interested in your parenting style.

When even the left are presenting 1950 Abbott style thinking Rumpole, who do I have left to troll:shake:.

 

[SirRumpole]

Are you now trying to link homosexuals to child pornography.

No, I'm linking child pornography to an advertising and TV cult mindset that sexualises children and therefore plants the seed in some malicious minds that children are to be exploited, just like advertising does.

The Bond's ad (judging only from the opinions of others) painted homosexuals in a promiscuous manner, which even if they were heterosexuals would not be appropriate for children attending a PG movie.

 

[moXJO]

The Bond's ad (judging only from the opinions of others) painted homosexuals in a promiscuous manner, which even if they were heterosexuals would not be appropriate for children attending a PG movie.

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