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Yes, that is how it was before.
Society can work out right from wrong, I feel we have been silenced, as I have said before, with this PC, and these laws where you cannot say anything.
If we want a serious debate about issues in this country, we should be allowed to speak.
Do you feel we can now?
Considering some of the stuff that has been said on this forum, yes I believe that we can.
Back when the war2 was still visiting the poor sods in their dreams who served in it, I was employed in a workshop complex populated with them. They were from everywhere Europe and they had that old skool distrust and hate for their work mates; all except for the Brits who kept their friendly rivalry between themselves and above those from across the English Channel side. Oh there was the Italians who just always seemed friendly, happy, polite and so grateful to have a new place to call home (wonderful people the Italians, by and large).
Even back then we were importing damaged people who had unresolved issues and generational hatreds.
It was rather a shocking thing for me to see the tensions and eruptions and the vulgar language only cemented my disdain for them and their primitive behaviours. None of them were Islamic as I recall, but supposed Christians, dispossessed of their birth rights.
It was the Australian tough nuts who had also seen and done things in the war they wouldn't talk about, who showed the way by letting it be known that if things continued, things would really get ugly and the protagonists better shake hands and act politely to each other or else.... no police, no specific legislation enacted, just peer group pressure to do the right thing, i.e. "don't s4it the mob".
So you would support the renouncment of all defamation laws ?
I certainly agree that ideas should be challenged, but what about cartoons of religious figures in obscene poses etc ?
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I guess that's a way to show the religious groups who demand we respect their silly ideas, that in fact we don't have to respect them, because to us they are just silly ideas.
It’s funny how the President of that great land of the free who you would expect to be a paragon of freedom of speech doesn’t seem to act that way when it comes to Islam.
At the United Nations on September 25, 2012, President Obama said:
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam".
You are cherry picking a quote out of context. Actual speech for the prevailing mood at the time:
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.
Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims and Shiite pilgrims. It's time to heed the words of Gandhi: "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit." Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, that's the vision we will support. [/I][/SIZE]
Well put, but I wonder how many "tough nuts" we have today ?
NOT bloody many when people are getting PTSD over a friggen undie ad.
Tisme thats gold
Tisme whats your stance on religion?
Isn’t that exactly what Charlie Hedbo did?
And then along came a hail of bullets from AK47s.
NOT bloody many when people are getting PTSD over a friggen undie ad.
Tisme thats gold
That's low.
The man was worried for his kids.
I guess that's a way to show the religious groups who demand we respect their silly ideas, that in fact we don't have to respect them, because to us they are just silly ideas.
Yes, but whats your point?
I am against the shootings, as I said before, non violence is never justified in reaction to non violent acts.
The cartoonists were in the right, the shooters in the wrong, simple as that
Worried about what?
Can some one provide a link to the ad? I find it hard to believe Bonds had an ad that was that bad, I mean he mentioned women kissing, and near naked men (well it was an underwear commercial).
Didn't Tisme said he was worried with the sexual innuendos in that ad being shown in front of his 11 year olds?
I personally like that ad with the ant-eater having its tongue all over that pretty lady in Bonds briefs, but I didn't have kids then. Now, I don't even watch news in front of the kids.
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